*****Official Texas Rangers 2025 2026 Offseason Thread*****

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They are much better than we give them credit for, but at the same time this should help in culling out the umps that aren't that good.
cmiller00
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Would have been funny to have seen Angel Hernandez under this system.
Jimtim1216
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cmiller00 said:

Would have been funny to have seen Angel Hernandez under this system.


80% overturn rate.
fc2112
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It's easy to see the plate pentagon projected up, but the top and bottom is the interesting part. Per the intrawebs.

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Strike Zone Determination
The ABS system uses a personalized strike zone for each batter:
Width: 17 inches, matching home plate.

Height: Top is 53.5% of the batter's height, bottom is 27% of height.

Measurement: Players are measured standing straight without cleats during spring training, and MLB certifies their official height.

Rule for strikes: Any part of the ball touching any part of the strike zone is considered a strike.


So the ABS system somehow measures the players height and comes up with two vertical limits? So no more of armpits to knees or whatever? And it doesn't matter what a batter's stance is?
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Jimtim1216 said:

cmiller00 said:

Would have been funny to have seen Angel Hernandez under this system.


80% overturn rate.

I could just imagine him smirking every 5 minutes after one of his calls got overturned.
fc2112
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Jimtim1216 said:

cmiller00 said:

Would have been funny to have seen Angel Hernandez under this system.


80% overturn rate.

I'll take the over.
CowtownAg06
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Every player is getting official measured in ST and it will create a zone for each individual. Stance does not matter.
toucan82
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It's also not a 3-d pentagon. It's a 2-d plane about halfway into home plate
Vessel
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53.5% of a player's height is oddly specific. Something tells me that wasn't the rule in the Black Sox days.
CampingAg
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I'm already beaten down by ball/strike reviews.
fc2112
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I love the discussions about the ABS system

"Oh my god - it's so hard doing what umpires do and they get the vast majority of calls right...."

"It is hard, which is why we let a computer do it...."

"Oh, but then you're removing the human element...."

"The human element being the mistakes?"
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CampingAg said:

I'm already beaten down by ball/strike reviews.

How many times will this happen during games? I can see this being a real turnoff for many fans.
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WestTexasAg said:

CampingAg said:

I'm already beaten down by ball/strike reviews.

How many times will this happen during games? I can see this being a real turnoff for many fans.


I think fans will like it because fans have come to hate umps so much lol. It becomes a game within a game of the players/fans against the umps.

I think you only get a 2 or 3 per game and the reviews happen quickly within 10 seconds. So you're talking about maybe 2 minutes added to the game in the worst case scenario. I think it will have a high Q rating.
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Vessel said:

WestTexasAg said:

CampingAg said:

I'm already beaten down by ball/strike reviews.

How many times will this happen during games? I can see this being a real turnoff for many fans.


I think fans will like it because fans have come to hate umps so much lol. It becomes a game within a game of the players/fans against the umps.

I think you only get a 2 or 3 per game and the reviews happen quickly within 10 seconds. So you're talking about maybe 2 minutes added to the game in the worst case scenario. I think it will have a high Q rating.

https://www.mlb.com/news/abs-challenge-system-mlb-2026

Key points:

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How many challenges does each team receive?
Each team will start the game with two challenges apiece.


Do teams get an extra challenge in extra innings?
If a game goes into extra innings, any team that starts the extra inning out of challenges will get one challenge for the 10th inning. If they exhaust that challenge, they will then get another challenge for the 11th, and so on.

If a team has challenges remaining at the start of the 10th inning, they will not get an additional challenge for that inning, though they will for any subsequent inning if they are out of challenges at the start of the inning.


Who can issue a challenge?
The batter, the pitcher or the catcher can challenge an umpire's call. No one else -- no, not even the manager -- may do so.

Challenges must be made immediately after the umpire's call, without assistance from the dugout or other players.

(Some teams have already indicated that they will forbid their pitchers from challenging, preferring they defer to the catcher's vantage point.)


Are successful challenges retained?
Yes. A team only loses its challenge if the umpire's call is confirmed.


How long do players have to issue a challenge?
Immediately after the pitch (roughly within two seconds). If there is an ensuing play (such as a checked-swing appeal or a play involving a runner), the challenge may be made at the conclusion of the play.


How much time does the review add to the game?
In 288 games with the ABS Challenge System during Spring Training 2025, there were an average of 4.1 challenges per game, and those challenges took an average of 13.8 seconds.

So the average game saw about 57 seconds of added time, effectively "giving back" only a small portion of the 26 minutes that the average game time was reduced from 2022 (the last MLB season without the pitch clock) to 2025.

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dvldog said:

Vessel said:

WestTexasAg said:

CampingAg said:

I'm already beaten down by ball/strike reviews.

How many times will this happen during games? I can see this being a real turnoff for many fans.


I think fans will like it because fans have come to hate umps so much lol. It becomes a game within a game of the players/fans against the umps.

I think you only get a 2 or 3 per game and the reviews happen quickly within 10 seconds. So you're talking about maybe 2 minutes added to the game in the worst case scenario. I think it will have a high Q rating.

https://www.mlb.com/news/abs-challenge-system-mlb-2026

Key points:

Quote:

How many challenges does each team receive?
Each team will start the game with two challenges apiece.


Do teams get an extra challenge in extra innings?
If a game goes into extra innings, any team that starts the extra inning out of challenges will get one challenge for the 10th inning. If they exhaust that challenge, they will then get another challenge for the 11th, and so on.

If a team has challenges remaining at the start of the 10th inning, they will not get an additional challenge for that inning, though they will for any subsequent inning if they are out of challenges at the start of the inning.


Who can issue a challenge?
The batter, the pitcher or the catcher can challenge an umpire's call. No one else -- no, not even the manager -- may do so.

Challenges must be made immediately after the umpire's call, without assistance from the dugout or other players.

(Some teams have already indicated that they will forbid their pitchers from challenging, preferring they defer to the catcher's vantage point.)


Are successful challenges retained?
Yes. A team only loses its challenge if the umpire's call is confirmed.


How long do players have to issue a challenge?
Immediately after the pitch (roughly within two seconds). If there is an ensuing play (such as a checked-swing appeal or a play involving a runner), the challenge may be made at the conclusion of the play.


How much time does the review add to the game?
In 288 games with the ABS Challenge System during Spring Training 2025, there were an average of 4.1 challenges per game, and those challenges took an average of 13.8 seconds.

So the average game saw about 57 seconds of added time, effectively "giving back" only a small portion of the 26 minutes that the average game time was reduced from 2022 (the last MLB season without the pitch clock) to 2025.



good info, thanks!
cmiller00
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I think it will be cool especially in critical moments.
 
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