*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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7:37a, 5/15/26
I did see a post on Twitter which was amusing

that the Spartans were fairly viciously racist- even against OTHER Greeks

much less Africans.

and that there was a court of trial in Sparta that would have crushed any Spartan leader who made a black his partner.

but that's just real history and not good for Hollywood ticket receipts
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:01a, 5/15/26
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The D said:
TCTTS said:
Hardcore Greg said:
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Nolan and his team never comment on this kind of stuff. Like, ever. He simply doesn't give a **** / doesn't dip his toe in culture war issues. Further, this kind of outrage is limited to Twitter crazies/Elon Musk and won't affect the box office in the least. Not for a Christopher Nolan summer blockbuster starring everyone and their dog. Not unless Fox News or whoever starts hemming and hawing, but considering there's no valid sourcing on the rumor, I would be surprised if even they did.

Secondly, literally the exact same thing can be said in the opposite direction. If this rumor were TRUE, someone - some source, insider, reporter, journalist, podcaster, etc - almost assuredly would have confirmed as much by now. Instead? There's been absolutely nothing. No hint or followup of any kind. Again, this is a rumor that started on a random Twitter account, that was then fanned to the extreme by anti-woke outrage, and nothing more (so far).

Could it end up being true?

Sure, it's possible.

But as of now there is ZERO tangible evidence to suggest as much.

I agree with the first part of the bolded statement. He seems like a Nick Saban type...focused on the product and execution and seems to have zero time or interest in all of the drama/gossip/culture-war stuff.

Re: the latter half...are you claiming that IF Elliot page is actually cast as Achilles, that it won't affect the box office numbers at all? I can tell you that I absolutely will not see it in theaters if she is cast in that role (I don't think she will be). I think there are lots of people who will lose all interest in this movie if that is the choice he makes...even if it's supposed to be a weak and diminished version of Achilles. Tens of millions of people are just s*ck of that stupid kind of sh** and it will absolutely be perceived by many as a ridiculous "hyper woke" choice. My apologies if I am misinterpreting your statement.


What I'm saying is, if Page-as-Achilles is true (though, yeah, I'm damn near convinced it's not), if the outrage remained at the level it is now - even if you and everyone like you on TexAgs boycotted the movie - no, it wouldn't have an affect. Whether you like it or not, we are the extremely online, and the extremely online doesn't sway the box office. Not on a Christopher Nolan blockbuster with this cast. MAYBE it puts a small dent in the box office, but that's it.

What I then went on to clarify is, if in this hypothetical, Page-as-Achilles "went mainstream" - as in Jesse Waters & co started ranting about it on Fox News and the like - then, yes, I *do* think the news would affect the box office. Not into "bomb" territory or anything like that, it just wouldn't be quite as successful as it otherwise would have been. After all, if Achilles is even in the movie, it's likely ONE scene of him rising from the dirt, covered in dirt, with a few lines of dialogue tops. That's it. And if this movie is indeed Christopher-Nolan-great, word spreads, and it becomes another Oppenheimer like hit, I'm sorry, even people like you aren't staying away because of 30 seconds of Trans Zombie Achilles. And even if you, specifically, do, too many others would be too curious to see what all the incredible buzz is about.


Did you forget about Snow White ?


You're missing my point.

Again…

This is a Christopher Nolan summer blockbuster.

One of the three biggest movies of the year, alongside Avengers: Doomsday and Dune: Part Three.

After Nolan just conquered Hollywood with a billion dollar biopic and Best Picture win.

Featuring maybe the most stacked cast of the decade.

Even the whitest, most anti-woke version of Snow White wouldn't have held a candle to this, in terms of buzz, anticipation, box office, piercing the zeitgeist, etc. Not to mention, Snow White is a family movie in which *parents* decide for the vast majority of the viewing audience - kids - whether or not those kids will see the movie.

In contrast, I'm sorry, y'all can hem and haw all you want, but a one-scene cameo by a trans actor playing a dirt-covered zombie Achilles simply wouldn't keep most fans of…

- Movies
- Blockbusters
- Historical Epics
- Christopher Nolan
- Matt Damon
- Zendaya
- Tom Holland
- Robert Pattinson
- Anne Hathaway

… etc, etc, etc away from this movie.

It just wouldn't.

So now it's keep "most fans" away. Argument shifting from "won't affect the box office at all" to "won't deter most fans".


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In reply to Hardcore Greg • 9:18a, 5/15/26
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Seriously? From the beginning (of this particular argument) I've been saying that, yes, it would deter *some* people, but not enough to affect the box office in any meaningful way. Would, like, maybe a couple to a few million or so be lost opening weekend? Sure. But the difference between this movie making, say, $83M and $80M opening weekend wouldn't matter big picture, in the least. That was very obviously my point.
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9:20a, 5/15/26
This thread has become my favorite thread on the EB.

Probably top 5 across all the Texags boards.

Keep it coming boys
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In reply to Langley • 9:26a, 5/15/26
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Langley said:
This thread has become my favorite thread on the EB.

Probably top 5 across all the Texags boards.

Keep it coming boys



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In reply to Cinco Ranch Aggie • 9:30a, 5/15/26
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Since you're sharing this, am I to take it that you consider this to be a worthy account?



Yes, very reliable.
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9:31a, 5/15/26
This Emily Wilson person is even worse now that the receipts have been produced. Her complaining the translation was done by Elder White Men is very interesting. Nolan is a fool.

I also love her talking about White Colonial invaders.....

This movie is cooked

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9:52a, 5/15/26
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In reply to LMCane • 10:03a, 5/15/26
LMCane said:
I did see a post on Twitter which was amusing

that the Spartans were fairly viciously racist- even against OTHER Greeks

much less Africans.

and that there was a court of trial in Sparta that would have crushed any Spartan leader who made a black his partner.

but that's just real history and not good for Hollywood ticket receipts

What are you talking about, man??
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In reply to Peter Piper • 10:05a, 5/15/26
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This thread has jumped the shark about 100x at this point
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10:08a, 5/15/26
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Ok… this one is good

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In reply to TCTTS • 10:09a, 5/15/26
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THIS right here is why some people have, or are starting to have, "TCTTS Fatigue".

Implying that anyone who doesn't agree with you or these two classical studies professors on how a specific greek mythology movie should be made is a WEIRD PSYCHO.

Esp when you consistently come across as one of the most "rattled" or "emotional" posters on this forum.

I get that you are not personally calling us psychos...just endorsing it.
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 10:09a, 5/15/26
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Ok… this one is good


Hahahaha
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In reply to Hardcore Greg • 10:12a, 5/15/26
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Hardcore Greg said:
TCTTS said:


THIS right here is why some people have, or are starting to have "TCTTS Fatigue".

Implying that anyone who doesn't agree with you or these two mythology experts on how the movie is being made is a PSYCHO.

Esp when you consistently come across as one of the most "rattled" or "emotional" posters on this forum.

I get that you are not personally calling us psychos...just endorsing it.

I kind of like the passive-aggressive acting out and don't know why I haven't thought of it myself, especially on F16.

Next time I want to call one of you outraged psychos a name I'm going to do it through someone else's post.

And preferably by someone whose name originated with the Romance languages. They seem to carry more weight.
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In reply to AGinHI • 10:16a, 5/15/26
AGinHI said:
Hardcore Greg said:
TCTTS said:


THIS right here is why some people have, or are starting to have "TCTTS Fatigue".

Implying that anyone who doesn't agree with you or these two mythology experts on how the movie is being made is a PSYCHO.

Esp when you consistently come across as one of the most "rattled" or "emotional" posters on this forum.

I get that you are not personally calling us psychos...just endorsing it.

I kind of like the passive-aggressive acting out and don't know why I haven't thought of it myself, especially on F16.

Next time I want to call one of you outraged psychos a name I'm going to do it through someone else's post.

And preferably by someone whose name originated with the Romance languages. They seem to carry more weight.

Yep, gotta give him credit. He found a loophole.
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In reply to Hardcore Greg • 10:17a, 5/15/26
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You realize that you're lumping yourself into that group, right? Not me.

No where did I or these tweets say that "anyone who doesn't agree with me is a psycho."

Rather, we're very clearly talking about... the extreme side of the argument. The performative outrage bros, etc, some of which ARE in this thread, yes, but not "anyone who disagrees with me."

Why are so many people in this thread utterly incapable of nuance? Everything is not an attack on you. Further, you literally call me "rattled" and "emotional" while... posting something that implies you yourself are "rattled" and "emotional" over my posts. Some of you seem to be actively looking to be offended, and I just don't get it.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:47a, 5/15/26
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TCTTS said:



Those "intelligent" "sophisticated" weirdos are the absolute worst argument you could throw out there. I doubt those people even know how to change a ****ing lightbulb.
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11:56a, 5/15/26
Let's see:
-Account just over a month old
-Reference to either Black Flag or another punk band
-Has deep knowledge of another users posting history
-Over half the new posts on F16
-Most likely permabanned before

I mean come on, there is some weird psycho hidden in there. I am a recovering Zoo poster, I know crazy
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In reply to The D • 12:21p, 5/15/26
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The D said:
TCTTS said:



Those "intelligent" "sophisticated" weirdos are the absolute worst argument you could throw out there. I doubt those people even know how to change a ****ing lightbulb.


What does knowing how to a change a lightbulb have to do with being an expert on Homer?

Unless... wait...

Are you suggesting that Nolan also injected actual LIGHT BULBS into his interpretation?

If so... A) how ****ing dare he, and B) you won't catch me anywhere near a theater for this.

Torches should be played by TORCHES, not some woke-ass, easily-turned-on light bulbs.

Nolan claims his version aims for authenticity, but its exactly this kind of divisive/modern casting, and adaptation of a bulb-ist revision, that threatens to turn Homer's myth into a politically divisive Hollywood product.

Is that the point? Really?!

Instead of respecting the classic, established, pure-started fire, and the heat behind it, Nolan is exploiting it for the lowest motivations: awards-season signaling, critic approval, and politics.

What about the kids and the dumbest adults on the planet who are being introduced to this story for the first time, thinking that ****ing LIGHT BULBS existed back then?! I'm of course fine with them thinking literal gods and monsters existed back then, but LIGHT BULBS?!

Light bulbs didn't even exist until 1879!!!

I swear, Hollywood and their DEI bull**** will be the end of us.
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12:33p, 5/15/26
RIP Shannon

BTW, if they ever tried to remake Lost, that is when I meltdown. I really do not have much attachment to The Odyssey so this casting thing has been entertaining
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12:35p, 5/15/26
lol, these are great. All based on a troll/unsubstantiated rumor that almost certainly is not true.

https://instagr.am/p/DYWD3nfpHkk
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In reply to samurai_science • 12:41p, 5/15/26
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samurai_science said:
This Emily Wilson person is even worse now that the receipts have been produced. Her complaining the translation was done by Elder White Men is very interesting. Nolan is a fool.

I also love her talking about White Colonial invaders.....

This movie is cooked

The Colonial invaders - I saw that. Polyphemus the Cyclops, who likes to eat people, is misunderstood. It is Odysseus, the good guy, who is the invader and not the native inhabitant. Eat the invaders.

However, Nolan is not going to cook a movie. He is too good. It will do well, making everyone complaining about the film look like weirdos and nullify their criticism.

He should've just remade one of the classic and great stories from the continent of Africa or one of the beloved Latin American stories. Then the casting wouldn't be so upsetting.

Thus people desiring authenticity and immersion would get what they want and everyone wanting less of whitey would have their needs met and everyone would be happy.
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12:49p, 5/15/26
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This is unintentionally the best thread on Texags.
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In reply to Malachi Constant • 1:09p, 5/15/26
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Malachi Constant said:
This is unintentionally the best thread on Texags.

It is the epic poem that only someone like Homer could be proud of
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:17p, 5/15/26
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TCTTS said:
The D said:
TCTTS said:



Those "intelligent" "sophisticated" weirdos are the absolute worst argument you could throw out there. I doubt those people even know how to change a ****ing lightbulb.


What does knowing how to a change a lightbulb have to do with being an expert on Homer?

Unless... wait...

Are you suggesting that Nolan also injected actual LIGHT BULBS into his interpretation?

If so... A) how ****ing dare he, and B) you won't catch me anywhere near a theater for this.

Torches should be played by TORCHES, not some woke-ass, easily-turned-on light bulbs.

Nolan claims his version aims for authenticity, but its exactly this kind of divisive/modern casting, and adaptation of a bulb-ist revision, that threatens to turn Homer's myth into a politically divisive Hollywood product.

Is that the point? Really?!

Instead of respecting the classic, established, pure-started fire, and the heat behind it, Nolan is exploiting it for the lowest motivations: awards-season signaling, critic approval, and politics.

What about the kids and the dumbest adults on the planet who are being introduced to this story for the first time, thinking that ****ing LIGHT BULBS existed back then?! I'm of course fine with them thinking literal gods and monsters existed back then, but LIGHT BULBS?!

Light bulbs didn't even exist until 1879!!!

I swear, Hollywood and their DEI bull**** will be the end of us.


Jesus Christ dude you have lost it.
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In reply to The D • 1:23p, 5/15/26
AG
It's clearly a joke. Lighten up.
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1:40p, 5/15/26
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I knew when I looked up and saw that this thread had almost 50 new posts since the last time that I looked, that the usual E board suspects would be accounted for. I just did not know that there would be a Lost (Nikki and Paulo) reference. Razzle Dazzle!!!
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4:17p, 5/15/26
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4:32p, 5/15/26
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This thread still about Ellen Page?
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5:16p, 5/15/26
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People still think it's hilarious and can't let it go even if it's likely not true.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 7:02p, 5/15/26
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The weakest part of this article is that it treats every objection to casting as bigotry before it deals with the actual question.

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Helen is bound to beauty, desire, war, and the memory of Troy. A serious adaptation can reinterpret them, but it has to show artistic judgment. They were fictional is an escape from the argument.


It's not just that Helen was fictional. It's that she was also hatched from an egg laid by a mortal human woman - Leda, Queen of Sparta - after Leda was impregnated by Zeus, who took on the form of a swan to do the deed. Given that context, to then hem and haw on the internet that the resulting offspring - an offspring of a god who turned himself into a swan to impregnate a human woman, a woman who then somehow laid an egg that a half-god half-human woman hatched from - *has* to be white, because of "inheritance" or "heritage" or whatever, is just laughable. It's so laughable that it's hard to come to any other conclusion as why the skin color of a fictional character is making so many people so irate.

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The whole point of adaptation is judgment. What do you preserve? What do you change? What do your changes reveal about the age making the film?


I would argue that's *a* point, but not the whole point. Either way, why don't we wait until we actually see the movie for ourselves to see how these questions are answered, before engaging in days and days of performative outrage?

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If the casting is artistically strong, defend it on artistic grounds. Show how it deepens the myth. Show how it clarifies Achilles, Helen, Odysseus, Ithaca, longing, glory, grief, and homecoming.


Again, why don't we let Nolan do so for himself here in a couple months, on July 17th?

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Ancient stories survive because people return to them with reverence and imagination.

That is the real issue. Modern Hollywood often treats inheritance as raw material for its own moral performance. Then, when people notice, it calls them backward for caring about the thing being inherited.


Ah, yes, people are just "noticing." Nothing more. They're definitely not having aneurysms on social media over it, heavily implying that a black woman can't possibly be more attractive than a white woman.
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In reply to TCTTS • 7:15p, 5/15/26
As always, your rebuttal is more emotional and frantic than the side you're trying to discredit. It's ok and expected that you don't care about any of this, but many do. And discussing it ahead of the film is entirely normal.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 7:20p, 5/15/26
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Please point out how that response was "emotional" or "frantic." I simply replied to a few excerpts from a tweet you posted.

Also, no one here has any problem with anything being "discussed" ahead of time. Again, you're painting a false picture. Rather, it's the endless complaining and virtue signaling, re: something none of us have seen yet, that some of us have a problem with.
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