Is Nolan making a parody comedy?

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The only reason you could possibly be so pissy about it is if you cannot stand the existence of transgender people in society

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So stating something that is factual somehow means "cannot stand the existence of ..." something.

Got it.

Go ahead and harp on F16 or whatever boogeyman you believe sleeps under your bed; those of use who live in the real world will go right on with viewing the world through known science.

I'll give Nolan the benefit of the doubt. If Page is cast as the diminished shade of Achilles met in the underworld, that could be kind of cool. If we see a 5'1" ~100 lb Page killing grown men during the siege of Troy, that'd be more than a little jarring, especially given that sources generally describe Achilles as tall and strong.

But it's all conjecture at this point. For all we know, Page could be cast as Argos…which would create its own set of questions.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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The only reason you could possibly be so pissy about it is if you cannot stand the existence of transgender people in society

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So stating something that is factual somehow means "cannot stand the existence of ..." something.

Got it.

Go ahead and harp on F16 or whatever boogeyman you believe sleeps under your bed; those of use who live in the real world will go right on with viewing the world through known science.

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"Stating something is factual…" What does Eliot Page's gender status have to do with the film?

Matt Damon is a bona fide movie star but him playing Odysseus seems like the "safe" but not good choice.

Too familiar with the source material to want to see it done again.

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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The only reason you could possibly be so pissy about it is if you cannot stand the existence of transgender people in society

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So stating something that is factual somehow means "cannot stand the existence of ..." something.

Got it.

Go ahead and harp on F16 or whatever boogeyman you believe sleeps under your bed; those of use who live in the real world will go right on with viewing the world through known science.

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"Stating something is factual…" What does Eliot Page's gender status have to do with the film?

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Ellen Page's gender <> gender of character she is apparently portraying.

Since it seems to have been lost on you, the something factual statement refers to the fact that no human being can change their gender simply by stating that they are actually the other gender, or by cutting off the parts that define said gender.

Ellen/Elliot Page... gotta admit I had no idea who this was. I didn't realize this was the actress that played Kitty Pride in the X-Men movies & the architecture student that designed dreams in Inception. I'm going to go back to not remembering who this was because I honestly don't care.

I hope she does a good job in whatever role he has in the movie. Doesn't seem to fit the archetype of Achilles, but Nolan is defenestrating archetypes left & right for his vision. Buckle up!

IHIOGA you don't get to take your tallywhacker with you to the afterlife. It stays in Earth realm and gets eaten by maggots or other insects, science

GoAgs92 said:

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Matt Damon is a bona fide movie star but him playing Odysseus seems like the "safe" but not good choice.

Too familiar with the source material to want to see it done again.

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I agree with this. Regardless of "giving Nolan the benefit of the doubt," there are some head scratchers and likely HUGE misfires on the casting for this movie. I honestly don't feel that Damon fits this role at all on the surface, but perhaps he may surprise. Based on his acting work history though, which I've always liked, this is a very poor fit on the whole. The Ellen Page (and yes, she is a SHE regardless of what a few people's imaginations and strangely militant level of desire want to tell themselves while desperately pounding their chest and shoving it down everyone else's throat) is downright laughable. I seriously can't see a path where it's not a horrific choice for one of the greatest masculine heroes in literature. I liked her in her previously roles before she decided to play make believe with her pronouns and genitals, but there is literally no explanation that fits with her playing Achilles. Don't much like zendaya either, but I'm not a fan of hers regardless, so that gets a pass for me. I feel like there are a couple other head scratchers too, but in general the big ones really put this movie at a pretty poor starting point in the minds of many people. I sure hope that Nolan lives up to the benefit of the doubt label, because right now there is well earned skepticism across the board.

You guys remember when everyone hated Heath Ledger as joker...

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You guys remember when everyone hated Heath Ledger as joker...

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People were a little confused and skeptical, but equating these scenarios is forced at best, silly at worst. They are not even close to similar circumstances. One is a male playing a male character that requires pretty much just charisma and good acting, the other is a petite female playing one of the most masculine and bad ass characters in all of literature. One can fit in the overall mold of the character with great acting, which he accomplished brilliantly; the other will never fit, regardless of how talented the directing and writing might be to make up for her shortcomings as a mythical male figure who defined masculinity, and who is supposed to be bigger than life. She just doesnt have the acting chops for this, nor the *****.

Maybe Nolan's interpretation of the afterlife is that you return to some younger version of yourself, like a child.

Or maybe this thread will devolve into 50 pages of fighting about something that isn't even true. That seems a lot more likely.

Yep, to me she'll always be the guy that kissed Joseph Gordon-Levitt in Inception.

There is always the fallback option of the 1997 TV mini-series if one characters casting is just too much to take



The guy that played Achilles had a great career after booking such a crucial role to the story

GoAgs92 said:

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Matt Damon is a bona fide movie star but him playing Odysseus seems like the "safe" but not good choice.

Too familiar with the source material to want to see it done again.

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Would be kinda dope if it's done in a modern working class Boston accent..."awww caman, what could you paaassibly know abaat gawwds and gawdessess and tha andawaaald huhhh?!"

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GoAgs92 said:

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Matt Damon is a bona fide movie star but him playing Odysseus seems like the "safe" but not good choice.

Too familiar with the source material to want to see it done again.

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Would be kinda dope if it's done in a modern working class Boston accent..."awww caman, what could you paaassibly know abaat gawwds and gawdessess and tha andawaaald huhhh?!"

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Hey, Antinous, I killed the Cyclops, how do you like dem apples?

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Hardcore Greg said:

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GoAgs92 said:

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Matt Damon is a bona fide movie star but him playing Odysseus seems like the "safe" but not good choice.

Too familiar with the source material to want to see it done again.

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Would be kinda dope if it's done in a modern working class Boston accent..."awww caman, what could you paaassibly know abaat gawwds and gawdessess and tha andawaaald huhhh?!"

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Hey, Antinous, I killed the Cyclops, how do you like dem apples?

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Um, actually…

At the end of the day, I'll be there to watch this because Nolan has earned the benefit of the doubt, but my excitement has slowly diminished over the last few months. Yes, we haven't really seen anything, but some of these choices are the types you see before a movie or show ends up flopping. Just a litany of seemingly unforced errors.

I really hope it's good. The Odyssey and Dune Part 3 were equal, on my excitement meter, at the beginning of the year. Now, Dune 3 is still a 10 but The Odyssey has dropped to a 7.

Lathspell said:

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I really hope it's good. The Odyssey and Dune Part 3 were equal, on my excitement meter, at the beginning of the year. Now, Dune 3 is still a 10 but The Odyssey has dropped to a 7.

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As it should be, Villeneuve is the better director at this point in time.

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Lathspell said:

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I really hope it's good. The Odyssey and Dune Part 3 were equal, on my excitement meter, at the beginning of the year. Now, Dune 3 is still a 10 but The Odyssey has dropped to a 7.

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As it should be, Villeneuve is the better director at this point in time.

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Well that's probably a topic for a separate thread.

Dune Part 3 was always at the top of my most anticipated list more so than The Odyssey. Not because of the directors, but because of the story source. I have read all of the original Dune books, whereas I have never read The Odyssey.

I consider both Nolan and Villeneuve the best two directors working today (all-time favorite is Spielberg, who has a considerably larger library at this point). I'd equate where Nolan and Villeneuve are right now in their respective careers as corresponding roughly to Spielberg with SS's late 80s, early 90s era. This is in terms not just of a number of titles under their belts, but also in the command they display over box office and interest in their upcoming works.

Its still the same in that people have no idea what Nolan is going for. But also one was confirmed and the other is just some random rumor on X. I mean, i think its fine to comment on these rumors, to the amount that people are getting worked up about casting and stuff that has not been confirmed is exhausting. Can we not just say, "Oh that would be weird, hopefully that isn't true" and move on? The thread has just become ripping the movie to shreds site unseen because of speculation from X.

Supposedly this version of the character IS some sort of weak version of its former self, in hell or purgatory or something.

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Its still the same in that people have no idea what Nolan is going for. But also one was confirmed and the other is just some random rumor on X. I mean, i think its fine to comment on these rumors, to the amount that people are getting worked up about casting and stuff that has not been confirmed is exhausting. Can we not just say, "Oh that would be weird, hopefully that isn't true" and move on? The thread has just become ripping the movie to shreds site unseen because of speculation from X.

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We tried that and gate keepers of Nolan movies and DEI started trans-knighting on people that said it felt weird or found the casting "off"

ttaggie said:

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Supposedly this version of the character IS some sort of weak version of its former self, in hell or purgatory or something.

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"weak version of its former self, in hell...."....

That tracks....

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veryfuller said:

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Its still the same in that people have no idea what Nolan is going for. But also one was confirmed and the other is just some random rumor on X. I mean, i think its fine to comment on these rumors, to the amount that people are getting worked up about casting and stuff that has not been confirmed is exhausting. Can we not just say, "Oh that would be weird, hopefully that isn't true" and move on? The thread has just become ripping the movie to shreds site unseen because of speculation from X.

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We tried that and gate keepers of Nolan movies and DEI started trans-knighting on people that said it felt weird or found the casting "off"

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I was trans-knighted once when I met Prince Charles at an Taco Bell at 3 a.m. At least, he said he was Prince Charles.

Lucky

So is Elleniott Achilles or not?

it's pretty funny that nolan is clearly just a fairly regular dude who presumably has no idea how bizarre the culture war shit is getting so when he does something very normal like cast a former collaborator the weirdest people on here accuse him of trying to destroy Homer https://t.co/mibdlIVgm3

— adam (@resurrecti0ns) May 11, 2026

Ghost of Bisbee said:

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So is Elleniott Achilles or not?

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As I said earlier in a now-deleted post, it's pure rumor started by some random ass Twitter account with absolutely no sourcing whatsoever. The foaming-at-the-mouth, super-anti-woke folks then elevated it/ran with it, it spread like wildfire all over social media from there, and now here we are. Could Page end up playing Zombie Achilles? Sure, it's possible. Maybe, after a quarter century of making movies, Nolan suddenly went woke and the random ass account somehow indeed has insider info. But I say it's highly unlikely, especially seeing as, in all the time since the rumor first dropped, not a single source, journalist, or insider-type has confirmed it.

"Achilles, I challenge you to open this pickle jar" https://t.co/ufZxe5l4CZ pic.twitter.com/91vT1iNYOj

— Flappr (@flapprdotnet) May 12, 2026

TCTTS said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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So is Elleniott Achilles or not?

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As I said earlier in a now-deleted post, it's pure rumor started by some random ass Twitter account with absolutely no sourcing whatsoever. The foaming-at-the-mouth, super-anti-woke folks then elevated it/ran with it, it spread like wildfire all over social media from there, and now here we are. Could Page end up playing Zombie Achilles? Sure, it's possible. Maybe, after a quarter century of making movies, Nolan suddenly went woke and the random ass account somehow indeed has insider info. But I say it's highly unlikely, especially seeing as, in all the time since the rumor first dropped, not a single source, journalist, or insider-type has confirmed it.

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The flip side of the coin is the DEI crowd saying people are bigoted if they don't like Page being cast as Achilles, IF he actually is cast in that role which I agree no one really knows if it's true or not.

The DEI crowd is also foaming at the mouth at the reaction to people saying the casting is off. It cuts both ways.

But it's entertainment and not a documentary so Nolan is given flexibility in how he wants to portray the story, and he has a great resume so should be given the benefit of the doubt but the casting of Helen has led others to start to questioning things.

It's still likely going to end up as a great movie, but it's fair to admit that it's not off to the best start with the PR so far.

So we have a movie set in Ancient Greece with a bunch of actors speaking in modern American accents, yet the biggest hang up is the possibility that some trans person may be playing a ghost or zombie in the underworld?

**she**

TCTTS said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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So is Elleniott Achilles or not?

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As I said earlier in a now-deleted post, it's pure rumor started by some random ass Twitter account with absolutely no sourcing whatsoever. The foaming-at-the-mouth, super-anti-woke folks then elevated it/ran with it, it spread like wildfire all over social media from there, and now here we are. Could Page end up playing Zombie Achilles? Sure, it's possible. Maybe, after a quarter century of making movies, Nolan suddenly went woke and the random ass account somehow indeed has insider info. But I say it's highly unlikely, especially seeing as, in all the time since the rumor first dropped, not a single source, journalist, or insider-type has confirmed it.

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This all but confirms it for me. This is worse than Bella Ramsey being cast for Ellie in TLOU.

Then and Now pic.twitter.com/GZ6cbLlgOL

— Ned Stark (@FantasyWorldW1) May 12, 2026