I took my 11 year old and he loved it! They drop the "S" word about 4 or 5 times which I felt could have been left out, but everything else about the movie was perfectly appropriate.
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ArchAg01 said:
I took my 11 year old and he loved it! They drop the "S" word about 4 or 5 times which I felt could have been left out, but everything else about the movie was perfectly appropriate.
If your kid is 11, he and his buddies have been fluent in all cuss words for years.
He's very much aware of the words, but he has never said them in front of us and he used to get visually uncomfortable when others would cuss around him. Yes, he's 11, but there are much younger kids going to the theater to watch a Superman movie. I just think the dialogue would have been just fine without the cuss words.
I did love it when Superman said to Krypto "What the hey, dude!?" (this is in the trailers, so not a spoiler)
I did love it when Superman said to Krypto "What the hey, dude!?" (this is in the trailers, so not a spoiler)
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Yes, for all the reasons and more he listed in the review.
AgShaun00 said:
is this valid?Agree with EVERY sentence he says. Movie was AWFUL! https://t.co/elU2OiQAnS
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OK, boomer...
No, its not.
But regardless, its just two opinions that shouldn't hold any more weight for you than the other thousands of opinions on the movie. Some liked it, some didn't. But right now it's clear the vast majority liked it. If you're interested at all, just spend $15 and go see for yourself rather than rely on twitter opinions.
But regardless, its just two opinions that shouldn't hold any more weight for you than the other thousands of opinions on the movie. Some liked it, some didn't. But right now it's clear the vast majority liked it. If you're interested at all, just spend $15 and go see for yourself rather than rely on twitter opinions.
Whos Juan said:AgShaun00 said:
is this valid?Agree with EVERY sentence he says. Movie was AWFUL! https://t.co/elU2OiQAnS
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OK, boomer...
Nm
I just hate that dismissive phrase.
I can't imagine most people not liking this movie much less calling it terrible or awful. I think if you have that opinion you most likely are a big Superman fan and have a very specific idea of how you want him portrayed and anything else is essentially blasphemy.
I watched this movie yesterday and walked out the theater thinking it was the best superhero flick since Avengers End Game.
Since then, a few plot holes and oddities have started to gnaw at me a bit, but I'd still call it an excellent film and recommend anyone who wants to see a feel-good superhero movie with great heart to check it out.
We finally got a director who realized that, with how powerful Superman is, the tension is rarely "will Superman survive," but rather, "how will he save all those people?" The action was great. The cast was great. The humor was great. And several moments hit me in the feels.
My only other note is that several significant spoilers were shared on this thread, which dampened major plot twist moments. Details that weren't in the trailers, but were on social media or elsewhere. Real shame. I'll have to be more careful what threads I read as Texags leans more into sharing spoilers from social media.
Since then, a few plot holes and oddities have started to gnaw at me a bit, but I'd still call it an excellent film and recommend anyone who wants to see a feel-good superhero movie with great heart to check it out.
We finally got a director who realized that, with how powerful Superman is, the tension is rarely "will Superman survive," but rather, "how will he save all those people?" The action was great. The cast was great. The humor was great. And several moments hit me in the feels.
My only other note is that several significant spoilers were shared on this thread, which dampened major plot twist moments. Details that weren't in the trailers, but were on social media or elsewhere. Real shame. I'll have to be more careful what threads I read as Texags leans more into sharing spoilers from social media.
Thanks and gig'em
In my opinion, there's a lot of people in a specific age range who have certain expectations from Superman because of the Reeve movies. Those (the first 2) are classics and there's no denying that. The representation of Superman and his world in those movies is pretty different from the comics and the Reeve style kind of persisted all the way up until MoS. To me, Gunn put a VERY comic accurate version of Superman and his world on the big screen. I loved it, I hope it spawns a new generation of fans but I also understand why people who probably view the Donner films as the definitive version of the character might not like this movie. The Donner films were very much 'Superman in our world' while this movie is EXTREMELY Sci-fi/fantasy/comic booky in just about every way.
Snyder's version was "Superman in our world" too, which by far the most interesting version. I'm not saying that Man of Steel was a great movie, but that sci fi version of Superman is my favorite. I don't want all these other weird characters in my Superman movie.
Yeah I know why people prefer that but for me, it's cool to see them trying something that hasn't been tried on the big screen before. I think it worked out and I loved a lot of the side characters. Obviously the comic book zaniness isn't for everyone, especially when basically every other Superman movie has conditioned them to not expect that.
Took the wife and my 14 & 11 year old boys. We all loved it. It is hard to believe, if you took your family to this movie, you will not have had a fun time. It was very very entertaining. There are things here and there that maybe could have been developed a little better...but if those small things got in your way from enjoying yourself, you probably don't enjoy yourself in general.
1978 Superman remains the best...it was a perfect combo of Snyder & Gunn's versions...but, judging a movie for what it is, this one knocked it out of the park. If all the new DCEU movies are like this, it will be a fun run.
Also watched the Snyder version at home with the kids...and they just thought it was "okay". MUCH preferred the Gunn version.
1978 Superman remains the best...it was a perfect combo of Snyder & Gunn's versions...but, judging a movie for what it is, this one knocked it out of the park. If all the new DCEU movies are like this, it will be a fun run.
Also watched the Snyder version at home with the kids...and they just thought it was "okay". MUCH preferred the Gunn version.
leftlane4passing said:
In my opinion, there's a lot of people in a specific age range who have certain expectations from Superman because of the Reeve movies. Those (the first 2) are classics and there's no denying that. The representation of Superman and his world in those movies is pretty different from the comics and the Reeve style kind of persisted all the way up until MoS. To me, Gunn put a VERY comic accurate version of Superman and his world on the big screen. I loved it, I hope it spawns a new generation of fans but I also understand why people who probably view the Donner films as the definitive version of the character might not like this movie. The Donner films were very much 'Superman in our world' while this movie is EXTREMELY Sci-fi/fantasy/comic booky in just about every way.
I am one of those who grew up on the Richard Donner films. Superman: The Movie is still the best I've seen of Superman in film. The newest Superman is my second favorite iteration largely because I feel like it really captures the essence of a comic book (which, FTR, I was never a comics reader, so I'm not comparing it to actual comics but rather to the look and feel of the shots in the new movie looking like something one might find in a comic). Superman II was great in the Summer of 1981 but none of my more recent viewings have led me to believe that it is anything but a steaming pile. Man of Steel was a really good movie, and was a different way of looking at Superman that I actually liked but overall I think audiences didn't want Superman to have those dark tendencies.
Aggies76 said:
Snyder's version was "Superman in our world" too, which by far the most interesting version. I'm not saying that Man of Steel was a great movie, but that sci fi version of Superman is my favorite. I don't want all these other weird characters in my Superman movie.
Superman is kind of a fundamentally weird character with weird supporting cast in the comics though. His rogue's gallery has to be, to present any kind of threat to him. Lex is unique among his foes in that sense, but look at all of Superman's best villains - Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, etc.
Aside from those, all the other superman villains are just vague clones of superman or Zod, who is cool, but basically the same as Superman.
All things considered they kept the villains in this movie relatively tame by Superman standards.
I've had a bit more time now to think about Superman. My thoughts on the movie haven't changed substantially in any way, but I have put a bit more focus on Jor-El and Lara being presented as evil, essentially General Zod evil. Is this comics accurate? I know it doesn't mesh with any previous Superman movie.
It doesn't change my appreciation for James Gunn's film, however. If anything, it serves to amplify the line of dialogue from Jonathan Kent, Clark's earth dad - parents give their children the tools to become the people they want to become, not what the parents want them to become (paraphrasing the actual line).
It doesn't change my appreciation for James Gunn's film, however. If anything, it serves to amplify the line of dialogue from Jonathan Kent, Clark's earth dad - parents give their children the tools to become the people they want to become, not what the parents want them to become (paraphrasing the actual line).
It was a thing in the comics mostly in the 80s, think it was also the case in Smallville but I don't remember.
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It doesn't change my appreciation for James Gunn's film, however. If anything, it serves to amplify the line of dialogue from Jonathan Kent, Clark's earth dad - parents give their children the tools to become the people they want to become, not what the parents want them to become (paraphrasing the actual line).
Think that was the line…Right? amirite?
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Yeah, Man of Steel looks and feels like a lot of previous action movies. Aside from having Superman, there's just not a ton unique about it. It's a good action movie, but not much more. Gunn's Superman is FUN. It's very unique and crazy in that way Gunn does well, like an actual comic brought to life. I also appreciated that Corenswet's Superman was Clark, even while wearing the suit.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I've had a bit more time now to think about Superman. My thoughts on the movie haven't changed substantially in any way, but I have put a bit more focus on Jor-El and Lara being presented as evil, essentially General Zod evil. Is this comics accurate? I know it doesn't mesh with any previous Superman movie.
It doesn't change my appreciation for James Gunn's film, however. If anything, it serves to amplify the line of dialogue from Jonathan Kent, Clark's earth dad - parents give their children the tools to become the people they want to become, not what the parents want them to become (paraphrasing the actual line).
There are definitely evil versions of them, though not in the main continuity. If I remember, they brought Jor-El back recently and he was a much more morally gray character than before.
MooreTrucker said:Whos Juan said:AgShaun00 said:
is this valid?Agree with EVERY sentence he says. Movie was AWFUL! https://t.co/elU2OiQAnS
— Kirk Herbstreit (@KirkHerbstreit) July 15, 2025
OK, boomer...
Nm
I just hate that dismissive phrase.
Here's the non dismissive version.
If you go into a Superman movie in 2025 wanting Donner's 1978 vision of that character, you're setting yourself up to hate this film.
All the stuff he complained about, Krypto, the support robots, Supergirl, Green Lantern, Mr. Terrific, Hawkgirl, Boravia have been part of DC lore for DECADES. They simply weren't created for this movie to ruin his outdated take of an invincible Superman saving a damsel in distress with some romantic innuendo (which is a really weird take, tbh).
Superman's biggest limitation as a character is being completely overpowered, so there's never anything to threaten him. That works ok if it's a standalone movie and Superman has to save the world, but that's not what studios are producing anymore. Even when a standalone movie is made (i.e. The Batman), studios will exhaust any opportunity to expand that universe if it's even remotely successful. There's a valid gripe about that trend, but that goes far beyond Superman.
Look, I'm not crazy about the movie myself. It definitely has its plotholes and weaknesses. I think unchecked James Gunn can be a little self indulgent and rely too much on characters being quippy with each other and unnecessary needle drops, but the guy can tell a story that has heart. That's exactly what he does here.
If you want 1978 Donner Superman, by all means get HBO Max and stream it; the film still holds up. You just can't go into every new version with the expectation that it's going to be the same. That's like me going to Casa Bonita and getting mad that the food isn't like south Texas Tex-Mex.
leftlane4passing said:
In my opinion, there's a lot of people in a specific age range who have certain expectations from Superman because of the Reeve movies. Those (the first 2) are classics and there's no denying that. The representation of Superman and his world in those movies is pretty different from the comics and the Reeve style kind of persisted all the way up until MoS. To me, Gunn put a VERY comic accurate version of Superman and his world on the big screen. I loved it, I hope it spawns a new generation of fans but I also understand why people who probably view the Donner films as the definitive version of the character might not like this movie. The Donner films were very much 'Superman in our world' while this movie is EXTREMELY Sci-fi/fantasy/comic booky in just about every way.
that makes a lot of sense. I want to see it and most people seem to like it. When i listened to the review some of hte things mentioned were eye catching on how he handles the plot. That is why I wanted to see if it is accurate.
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[color=#000000]Superman's biggest limitation as a character is being completely overpowered, so there's never anything to threaten him.[/color]
On the first part, this new movie did a decent job of limiting his powers somewhat. As for the last part, there are characters in Superman lore than can more than threaten him. Doomsday actually killed him, famously in the comics and then in Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. If ever they figure this thing out, they'll bring in Darkseid, who is basically DC's Thanos.
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— Kirk Herbstreit (@KirkHerbstreit) July 15, 2025
Honestly, yes. I enjoyed it but it pissed my 13 year old off because Superman went from not flinching when a bullet hits his eye and bounces off, to getting his ass kicked by a robot thing. He bleeds a lot and it portrayed him as vulnerable and weak by comparison to every other Superman. He hated it.
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If I had a complaint in line with these thoughts, it would be that Superman continuously gets his ass beat throughout this movie. Even the Kaiju is defeated by Mr. Fantastic, and Superman is totally dead if Metamorpho doesn't have a change of heart. From that point of view, Superman's greatest strength is that other people like him enough to stick their necks out for him.
The final fight against Ultraman is not witnessed by anyone at all other than Luthor. If you lived in Metropolis, you would assume that Mr. Fantastic saved the city, minus Superman catching the one falling buildig, and the rest of the Justice Gang saved the war on the other side of the world
The final fight against Ultraman is not witnessed by anyone at all other than Luthor. If you lived in Metropolis, you would assume that Mr. Fantastic saved the city, minus Superman catching the one falling buildig, and the rest of the Justice Gang saved the war on the other side of the world
Whos Juan said:MooreTrucker said:Whos Juan said:AgShaun00 said:
is this valid?Agree with EVERY sentence he says. Movie was AWFUL! https://t.co/elU2OiQAnS
— Kirk Herbstreit (@KirkHerbstreit) July 15, 2025
OK, boomer...
Nm
I just hate that dismissive phrase.
Here's the non dismissive version.
If you go into a Superman movie in 2025 wanting Donner's 1978 vision of that character, you're setting yourself up to hate this film.
All the stuff he complained about, Krypto, the support robots, Supergirl, Green Lantern, Mr. Terrific, Hawkgirl, Boravia have been part of DC lore for DECADES. They simply weren't created for this movie to ruin his outdated take of an invincible Superman saving a damsel in distress with some romantic innuendo (which is a really weird take, tbh).
Superman's biggest limitation as a character is being completely overpowered, so there's never anything to threaten him. That works ok if it's a standalone movie and Superman has to save the world, but that's not what studios are producing anymore. Even when a standalone movie is made (i.e. The Batman), studios will exhaust any opportunity to expand that universe if it's even remotely successful. There's a valid gripe about that trend, but that goes far beyond Superman.
Look, I'm not crazy about the movie myself. It definitely has its plotholes and weaknesses. I think unchecked James Gunn can be a little self indulgent and rely too much on characters being quippy with each other and unnecessary needle drops, but the guy can tell a story that has heart. That's exactly what he does here.
If you want 1978 Donner Superman, by all means get HBO Max and stream it; the film still holds up. You just can't go into every new version with the expectation that it's going to be the same. That's like me going to Casa Bonita and getting mad that the food isn't like south Texas Tex-Mex.
Thanks.
I am a boomer, and I'm actually looking forward to this movie for the comic book aspects of it. I don't hang on the Donner version as much as some, and definitely NOT Snyder's version. I read, and still own, MANY Superman comics from long before the Reeve movies, and that's what I'm hoping for in this movie.
Mainly, don't lump all boomers together with that snide nonsense.
The Original Houston 1836 said:
If I had a complaint in line with these thoughts, it would be that Superman continuously gets his ass beat throughout this movie. Even the Kaiju is defeated by Mr. Fantastic, and Superman is totally dead if Metamorpho doesn't have a change of heart. From that point of view, Superman's greatest strength is that other people like him enough to stick their necks out for him.
The final fight against Ultraman is not witnessed by anyone at all other than Luthor. If you lived in Metropolis, you would assume that Mr. Fantastic saved the city, minus Superman catching the one falling buildig, and the rest of the Justice Gang saved the war on the other side of the world
I mean, the movie is pretty explicit in the beginning that this is the first time in 3 years that Superman has been challenged and beaten, and it's by himself. The only reason he didn't defeat the kaiju is that he was looking for a way to stop it while not harming it; the whole purpose of the scene was to show that the Justice Gang was not as principled as Superman about limiting harm. And it still establishes that Kryptonite is the greatest danger to Superman.
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Sapper Redux said:The Original Houston 1836 said:
If I had a complaint in line with these thoughts, it would be that Superman continuously gets his ass beat throughout this movie. Even the Kaiju is defeated by Mr. Fantastic, and Superman is totally dead if Metamorpho doesn't have a change of heart. From that point of view, Superman's greatest strength is that other people like him enough to stick their necks out for him.
The final fight against Ultraman is not witnessed by anyone at all other than Luthor. If you lived in Metropolis, you would assume that Mr. Fantastic saved the city, minus Superman catching the one falling buildig, and the rest of the Justice Gang saved the war on the other side of the world
I mean, the movie is pretty explicit in the beginning that this is the first time in 3 years that Superman has been challenged and beaten, and it's by himself. The only reason he didn't defeat the kaiju is that he was looking for a way to stop it while not harming it; the whole purpose of the scene was to show that the Justice Gang was not as principled as Superman about limiting harm. And it still establishes that Kryptonite is the greatest danger to Superman.
I know what happened in the movie. I'm saying the plot should have shown him kicking somebody's ass early on to give us some sort of baseline of his powers.
Exactly. I came away thinking that Supes was only getting his rear kicked at times because he was either holding back to avoid flat out destroying his opponent, or in the case of Lex/The Hammer his opponent was essentially "cheating". I felt like he was more or less surprised by how well The Hammer could counter him and that threw him off.
Essentially, we saw a more thoughtful Superman who wasn't just casually flexing the full extent of his powers. Unlike Snyder's Superman who felt like he was constantly pissed off and just immediately jumped to the most extreme reaction (i.e. killing his opponent) as soon as someone opposed him.
I had zero problems with this mpvie showing a more human Superman hesitant to cause chaos wherever he went.
Essentially, we saw a more thoughtful Superman who wasn't just casually flexing the full extent of his powers. Unlike Snyder's Superman who felt like he was constantly pissed off and just immediately jumped to the most extreme reaction (i.e. killing his opponent) as soon as someone opposed him.
I had zero problems with this mpvie showing a more human Superman hesitant to cause chaos wherever he went.
The Original Houston 1836 said:Sapper Redux said:The Original Houston 1836 said:
If I had a complaint in line with these thoughts, it would be that Superman continuously gets his ass beat throughout this movie. Even the Kaiju is defeated by Mr. Fantastic, and Superman is totally dead if Metamorpho doesn't have a change of heart. From that point of view, Superman's greatest strength is that other people like him enough to stick their necks out for him.
The final fight against Ultraman is not witnessed by anyone at all other than Luthor. If you lived in Metropolis, you would assume that Mr. Fantastic saved the city, minus Superman catching the one falling buildig, and the rest of the Justice Gang saved the war on the other side of the world
I mean, the movie is pretty explicit in the beginning that this is the first time in 3 years that Superman has been challenged and beaten, and it's by himself. The only reason he didn't defeat the kaiju is that he was looking for a way to stop it while not harming it; the whole purpose of the scene was to show that the Justice Gang was not as principled as Superman about limiting harm. And it still establishes that Kryptonite is the greatest danger to Superman.
I know what happened in the movie. I'm saying the plot should have shown him kicking somebody's ass early on to give us some sort of baseline of his powers.
Yeah, ok. Valid idea. Maybe show the full fight against The Hammer....Supes completely and easily disposes of some Lex flying robo-dudes until The Hammer of Borovia shows up and kicks his ass.
Mr Terrific, right?
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