The Southwest Christmas disaster

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evan_aggie
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I see some SWA spokesperson saying weather hit numerous of their airport operations and they are trying to recover.

But is that just a way they avoid certain additional expenses due to their own incompetence and computers?


We have flights for 1/15... hopefully they get it straightened out.
jagged
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Seems beyond operational and network issues at this point. It seems like they've lost control of the staff and maybe some systems.
torrid
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Bleep Southwest, ERCOT of the sky.
jagged
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And there are obviously bad days/weekends in the airline industry, but this carries a significant hit to their reputation and will take until the new year to sort out the network and baggage issues. Have heard several instances that seemed like there was no chance a flight would go and instead just got delayed for 5 hours and finally cancelled.
TXTransplant
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I think it was a snowball effect. Flights cancelled Fri, Sat, Sun, and today. Prob hundreds of planes in the wrong locations. Then it appears their crew comms went down over the weekend and they lost track of where people were. Read stories of FAs waiting on hold for 8 hours to get their next assignment. Couldn't manage to send texts or emails to paxs about cancelled flights, so thousands of people are stranded at airports. Baggage piled up at very major airport, none of it where it needs to be.

It's a meltdown of epic proportions.

I have no doubt they will make it right by passengers. Problem is, people need money to get home. It's costing us another $1100 between the car rental and my son's rebooked flight on United to get everyone home. Our canceled flights totaled about $2800 when originally purchased.

We can cover it, but not everyone can. And people are missing days of work because they can't get home. My son's dad is missing an extra day of work tomorrow to take him to the airport for the rescheduled flight.

2wealfth Man
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jagged said:

And there are obviously bad days/weekends in the airline industry, but this carries a significant hit to their reputation and will take until the new year to sort out the network and baggage issues. Have heard several instances that seemed like there was no chance a flight would go and instead just got delayed for 5 hours and finally cancelled.
yea, in hindsight they should have just kept folks away from the airports to avoid what is now happening……..just not a good series of decisions
TXTransplant
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This! When I realized the flight my son was supposed to be on today had not flown since last Friday, I was mad. I would have gladly cancelled the flight and rebooked him on United myself over the weekend. Would have been one less person needing customer service.

But like you said earlier, if they didn't even know where their own crew members were…
Teddy Perkins
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Hope they get everything sorted by Saturday. Supposed to be flying to Denver for NYE with the fam.
2wealfth Man
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Teddy Perkins said:

Hope they get everything sorted by Saturday. Supposed to be flying to Denver for NYE with the fam.
I would rebook to another carrier if it were me. More weather heading east; recovery may not be straightforward
TXTransplant
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2wealfth Man said:

Teddy Perkins said:

Hope they get everything sorted by Saturday. Supposed to be flying to Denver for NYE with the fam.
I would rebook to another carrier if it were me. More weather heading east; recovery may not be straightforward


This. Flights are being cancelled through tomorrow night. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

Edited: Some Wednesday flights have been cancelled, too.
jagged
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TXTransplant said:


I have no doubt they will make it right by passengers.



They ****ed up a lot of people's holidays beyond what the weather event called for. I actually do have a doubt they'll make it right this time.
evan_aggie
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Southwest plans to operate just over one-third of its typical schedule in the coming days to give itself leeway for crews to get into the right positions, he said, adding that the reduced schedule could be extended.
Southwest's more than 2,800 scrapped flights Monday, the highest of any major U.S. airline, came as the Dallas-based airline proved unable to stabilize its operations amid the past week's storm. Between Thursday and Monday, the airline canceled about 8,000 flights, according to FlightAware.
superunknown
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Former business traveler, southwest was the worst. Hot garbage on communications, the app is terrible, the website is terrible. I'm sure it's great if you're back and forth from HOU to DAL 4 times a week but any minimal disruption and they descend into chaos. Can't say I'm really surprised their internal crew scheduling software is failing them. If only Texans would stop blindly following them because Texas and if people looked past the hokey cornball FAs and their jokes, they'd see that any of the other big airlines do a far better job at getting people places.
2wealfth Man
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evan_aggie said:

Southwest plans to operate just over one-third of its typical schedule in the coming days to give itself leeway for crews to get into the right positions, he said, adding that the reduced schedule could be extended.
Southwest's more than 2,800 scrapped flights Monday, the highest of any major U.S. airline, came as the Dallas-based airline proved unable to stabilize its operations amid the past week's storm. Between Thursday and Monday, the airline canceled about 8,000 flights, according to FlightAware.
2,400 cancellations announced for tomorrow, bet that number goes up depending on positioning of flight crews and equipment.
TXTransplant
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jagged said:

TXTransplant said:


I have no doubt they will make it right by passengers.



They ****ed up a lot of people's holidays beyond what the weather event called for. I actually do have a doubt they'll make it right this time.


I think at this point it's obvious the weather may have started this problem, but internal screw-ups magnified it. If they refuse to make it right, I think DOT will force their hand.

I keep thinking about all the UMs stranded somewhere and thankful my son is 18. I'd be losing my mind if he was young and stuck somewhere.
TXTransplant
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superunknown said:

Former business traveler, southwest was the worst. Hot garbage on communications, the app is terrible, the website is terrible. I'm sure it's great if you're back and forth from HOU to DAL 4 times a week but any minimal disruption and they descend into chaos. Can't say I'm really surprised their internal crew scheduling software is failing them. If only Texans would stop blindly following them because Texas and if people looked past the hokey cornball FAs and their jokes, they'd see that any of the other big airlines do a far better job at getting people places.


Loyal 18 year Southwest customer. I've never had anything even close to this happen before. Worst was a 3 hour delay once. Never had a same-day cancellation until today.

Compare that with AA and United, both of which have jacked up multiple flights.

This disaster will make me think twice about continuing to fly with SW, but it's not like any other airline is reliable.
Project Gemini
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So what do you do if you have a hotel that is no longer cancellable but you can't get to the destination because of this? Supposed to be going on vacation tomorrow but we can just scrap it
TXTransplant
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Project Gemini said:

So what do you do if you have a hotel that is no longer cancellable but you can't get to the destination because of this? Supposed to be going on vacation tomorrow but we can just scrap it


Call the hotel and see if you can negotiate. They may be sympathetic or at least give you a voucher.
txags92
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jagged said:

TXTransplant said:


I have no doubt they will make it right by passengers.



They ****ed up a lot of people's holidays beyond what the weather event called for. I actually do have a doubt they'll make it right this time.
Totally true. They ****ed up two trips in a row for me with the same kinds of operational collapses and did absolutely nothing to try to make it right. They are not the airline they used to be. They are JetBlue and Spirit trading on a reputation made decades ago. Eventually that reputation will wear off and they will realize they need to do better if they want people to trust them in the future.
TXTransplant
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Heads up to those of you with flights later in the week: they've already started cancelling flights on Wednesday. Flight Aware just doesn't go out that far. Can't see anything past tomorrow night.

But I have a friend who was supposed to fly
OKC->DEN->SBA on Wednesday. She just logged into her account and saw the DEN->SBA leg was already cancelled. She was able to reschedule online for the 1st.
George Costanza
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"They are not the airline they used to be. They are JetBlue and Spirit trading on a reputation made decades ago."

Ironically, in the last year or so the only airline we haven't had a problem with is Spirit.
txags92
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TXTransplant said:

superunknown said:

Former business traveler, southwest was the worst. Hot garbage on communications, the app is terrible, the website is terrible. I'm sure it's great if you're back and forth from HOU to DAL 4 times a week but any minimal disruption and they descend into chaos. Can't say I'm really surprised their internal crew scheduling software is failing them. If only Texans would stop blindly following them because Texas and if people looked past the hokey cornball FAs and their jokes, they'd see that any of the other big airlines do a far better job at getting people places.


Loyal 18 year Southwest customer. I've never had anything even close to this happen before. Worst was a 3 hour delay once. Never had a same-day cancellation until today.

Compare that with AA and United, both of which have jacked up multiple flights.

This disaster will make me think twice about continuing to fly with SW, but it's not like any other airline is reliable.
I was that way until June 2021. Since that time, they have screwed up our plans multiple times with same day cancellations and delays due to operational issues that caused us to miss connections that were not tight windows. We had to incur extra hotel nights at locations we were not planning to stay and missed days of diving that were already paid for and were not refundable. I stopped using my SW card and am now flying United whenever I have the option as they are the most reliable airline from Houston and will at least admit when it is their fault and make it right if they can. Southwest is still lying and trying to say delays and cancellations multiple days after weather is gone are weather related so that they don't have to do anything to make it right. They are a trash airline right now and it will take a lot of change on their part to make me trust them anytime soon.
FourAggies
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Son and daughter had flights on Friday to go from Austin and Dallas to New Orleans.

3 hour delay for my son, but he thankfully got there. My daughter had a 3 hour delay, followed by a cancellation at about 10 pm. She had a friend on the flight, so they decided to drive to Louisiana, and is requesting a refund on her trip. She was not offered any extra compensation.

My son's return trip today was cancelled after about an hour delay. He stood in line for more than 2 hours for rebooking at the airport. They rebooked him for a 9:50 pm flight on Tuesday. He didn't trust them fulfilling that. He couldn't get a rental car in New Orleans, but found one in Baton Rouge and is driving back tomorrow. He got a $200 travel voucher. I guess that's the equivalent of a hotel stay. He'll be requesting a refund for his return flight.
superunknown
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At the very minimum, an airline that codeshares/has interline agreements with other airlines will always have more flexibility than one who doesn't. Guess which airline doesn't codeshare or interline? Probably not a big deal for Grampa and Gam Gam who are willing to drive to an airport 2 hours away so they can save $14 and don't have to be anywhere on time, but my experience with them has always been awful. The last time I flew with them they had a gate full of passengers that they refused to acknowledge even existed, just straight up ignored as people were asking why we weren't getting any info at all and the app was useless. I gave up and went to grab something to eat and sat at a gate that was clearing off....they announced last chance to board, and it was where I was going. Told the gate agent I'd been waiting at the other gate and had no idea this flight was even an option and asked if i could switch. They had something like 60 seats open on this plane, and it was headed to the same place an entire gate full of irate and delayed passengers was headed to...and nobody told a soul at that other gate. I just got lucky.

If thats not dysfunctional, I don't need to know what dysfunctional is. Contrast that scenario with Delta or United sending people through the terminal or gate to redirect people to other gates or flights. If you fly more than once every few years, you know how erratic air travel can be. Southwest just goes "aww shucks but golly yall we sure do heart you, LUV!" And people keep taking it. No idea why.
TXTransplant
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superunknown said:

At the very minimum, an airline that codeshares/has interline agreements with other airlines will always have more flexibility than one who doesn't. Guess which airline doesn't codeshare or interline? Probably not a big deal for Grampa and Gam Gam who are willing to drive to an airport 2 hours away so they can save $14 and don't have to be anywhere on time, but my experience with them has always been awful. The last time I flew with them they had a gate full of passengers that they refused to acknowledge even existed, just straight up ignored as people were asking why we weren't getting any info at all and the app was useless. I gave up and went to grab something to eat and sat at a gate that was clearing off....they announced last chance to board, and it was where I was going. Told the gate agent I'd been waiting at the other gate and had no idea this flight was even an option and asked if i could switch. They had something like 60 seats open on this plane, and it was headed to the same place an entire gate full of irate and delayed passengers was headed to...and nobody told a soul at that other gate. I just got lucky.

If thats not dysfunctional, I don't need to know what dysfunctional is. Contrast that scenario with Delta or United sending people through the terminal or gate to redirect people to other gates or flights. If you fly more than once every few years, you know how erratic air travel can be. Southwest just goes "aww shucks but golly yall we sure do heart you, LUV!" And people keep taking it. No idea why.


Wow. That's terrible and so far removed from any experience I've ever had with SW!

My son has flown SW from HOU every single Thanksgiving and Christmas since 2010. Sometimes with me and sometimes as an UM.

I swear we have never experienced anything like that. Like I said, we had one delay one time that was 3-4 hours, and we both received vouchers for that. Another flight last year was cancelled, but it was weeks before the flight was scheduled to depart, so we just rebooked on a different flight.

Everyone's horror stories seem to be post-Covid. It sounds like SW just hasn't recovered. I have noticed that their schedule is still significantly reduced, so that gives them even less wiggle room when something like this happens.

United still has my ire from problems I had with them during Covid. But I will still go with them, if it's the better option.

We flew SW to LGA this trip because we couldn't get a decent rental car at Newark. Even extending the rental and turning it in at HOU instead of LGA, the total rental bill will still be cheaper than if we had rented from a company at Newark. United flights were also more expensive, and the flight times on SW were better. On paper, SW was def the better option for this trip.

evan_aggie
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superunknown said:

Former business traveler, southwest was the worst. Hot garbage on communications, the app is terrible, the website is terrible. I'm sure it's great if you're back and forth from HOU to DAL 4 times a week but any minimal disruption and they descend into chaos. Can't say I'm really surprised their internal crew scheduling software is failing them. If only Texans would stop blindly following them because Texas and if people looked past the hokey cornball FAs and their jokes, they'd see that any of the other big airlines do a far better job at getting people places.


I think wrt to Biz travel: SWA was never going to be that airline. No PE, J... cattle herding.

I like having option for a lounge, J/PE, assigned seating etc, but I've had waaaaaayy more issues that I can recall with American, Alaska Airlines in the long run. SWA had a long reputation of doing what's right...but this is a big black eye

Shiner79
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Flew United IAH - ECP this morning
Didn't not understand why ECP was empty when we landed until I realized SOuthwest had started cancelling flights
Ditched Southwest and companion pass last year and won't return
The Milkman
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evan_aggie said:

superunknown said:

Former business traveler, southwest was the worst. Hot garbage on communications, the app is terrible, the website is terrible. I'm sure it's great if you're back and forth from HOU to DAL 4 times a week but any minimal disruption and they descend into chaos. Can't say I'm really surprised their internal crew scheduling software is failing them. If only Texans would stop blindly following them because Texas and if people looked past the hokey cornball FAs and their jokes, they'd see that any of the other big airlines do a far better job at getting people places.


I think wrt to Biz travel: SWA was never going to be that airline. No PE, J... cattle herding.

I like having option for a lounge, J/PE, assigned seating etc, but I've had waaaaaayy more issues that I can recall with American, Alaska Airlines in the long run. SWA had a long reputation of doing what's right...but this is a big black eye




I've also never had issues for SW as my primary biz travel airlines. But I have pretty simple routes. Baltimore to Pittsburgh, Boston, Miami, fort myers, and home to houston.
TXTransplant
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If you're stuck somewhere, I think it's good advice to NOT take a voucher or try to get a refund at the airport. Those staff aren't equipped to do that.

I just read an article that they are working on a refund/reimbursement procedure for cancelled flights as well as hotels, rental cars, and rebooked flights.

If you can afford to, take the hit now and file a claim in the coming days.
superunknown
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Username checks out?

The milk-run, point to point type routes southwest normally flies is probably very reliable if its a basic booking and the no hub model (even though there's obviously hub like features in huge stations like MDW/HOU/DAL/DEN) has its perks because every plane they have is going to transit through a couple of those giant stations utilizing those opportunities to connect. It also means when things fall apart, they absolutely fall apart. The other majors can reset much easier in their hub and spoke model than southwest's point to point. As it is now southwest has all these crews randomly in whatever station they wound up in and they're all calling scheduling trying to get it sorted out.

Ultimately the limited number of final destinations and the fact they don't codeshare made it unfeasible to me when I was traveling a lot.
The Milkman
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Hoping my parents can get home to houston on 1/2. Otherwise I'll be stuck with them for longer.
CDub06
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Connecting flight for Wednesday has been cancelled. I haven't been alerted of this, I found out by continuing to check FlightAware. So I went ahead and cancelled my hotel and rental car. Still awaiting the flight cancellation notice. It was just vacation…sigh.

What a mess. I've been flying southwest pretty frequently for years without issue. This is a major disaster. I've got a busy January, so hopefully they get this figured out within the next week or so.
txags92
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So I haven't paid any attention to any management changes that SW has made, but surely somebody's head needs to roll over these operational issues that keep repeating (and getting worse) since the return from Covid. You can't keep melting down like this and not make some kind of high level changes in the guys (or girls) telling senior management "yes sir, this time we have it fixed and are confident we can fly the flights we have scheduled, even if there is bad weather". Yes, there are downsides to the point to point system SW has used, but they NEVER had multi day meltdowns like this before. That isn't on the people in the planes and working the gates, it is on the operations leaders that are making the scheduling and flight volume calls. They can't just keep going with the same people in charge who have driven the airline into the ground over and over, can they?
TXTransplant
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CDub06 said:

Connecting flight for Wednesday has been cancelled. I haven't been alerted of this, I found out by continuing to check FlightAware. So I went ahead and cancelled my hotel and rental car. Still awaiting the flight cancellation notice. It was just vacation…sigh.

What a mess. I've been flying southwest pretty frequently for years without issue. This is a major disaster. I've got a busy January, so hopefully they get this figured out within the next week or so.


Same thing happened to my friend's Wednesday flight. She extended her stay with family until the 1st and rebooked on United to get back home.

I didn't get my cancellation email today until 5.5 hours after the app (that was working intermittently) showed it was cancelled. I have yet to get a cancellation notice for my son's flight.
djmeen95
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Welp - we're supposed to fly back to Houston from Midland on Wednesday. Guess we'll see tomorrow if that has any chance of happening.
 
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