*** Official 2025 - 2026 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread ***

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Just my two cents...

I'm not opposed to taking Mara at 12 if he's there, but I'd rather not consolidate 12 and 17 to move up and get him. I'd rather try to snag Yaxel/Ament at 12 (or whoever slips) and there should still be a solid big on the board at 17.

Pundits keep talking about how the Thunder won't use both picks because of roster space but I don't see it that way. I'm not saying Presti won't make some sort of consolidation trade if there's a guy he really wants to trade up for, but I think the roster space issue will get resolved and they can use both picks if they want. Securing two good rookie-scale guys through 2030 (SGA's prime window) seems smart.

I feel like Mara is going to be touted as a "Wemby stopper" because he's tall but I don't see him that way at all. In some ways, I think he's borderline unplayable against the Spurs. But if we aren't planning to retain Hart, there's alot of situations against the other 28 team where having a legit 7+ footer would come in handy.
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https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/article/dallas-mavericks-arena-valley-view-22286030.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Mavs moving to the old Valley View mall.
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I think Milwaukee takes Ament and Atlanta takes Mara
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Guitarsoup said:

I think Milwaukee takes Ament and Atlanta takes Mara

That would be great. Would basically ensure that one of the 10 guys Vessell listed on the prior page will be there at 12. Probably Yaxel or Flemings. Sign me up for that.
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There is no Wemby stopper in this league. I could see an in shape, not injured and motivated Anthony Davis giving him some issues, and perhaps Bam, but that is about it imo. I thought Chet could because he's 7'1" and can move a bit, but he's not strong enough and pretty clearly lacks the mentality right now.
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The problem with using both picks without making a trade is that the only route is renouncing the rights to two of Dort, Hartenstein, and Kenrich and losing them for nothing. Maybe Presti can fleece somebody again, but teams should know they hold all the cards when dealing in this situation.

Historically, teams in OKC's position have had to give up assets in order to make roster room or clear cap space.
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I think OG, Bam and theoretical Giannis are the three best shots to slow him down. Also Lu Dort diving at his knees and ankles
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I can see Morez Johnson being an effective player against Wemby. Has extremely similar measurables to Bam but tested much better athletically.

Morez can step out on offense to drag Wemby away from the basket. He's big so can be physical with Wemby and he's extremely athletic. Has a 7'3.5" wingspan and 9' standing reach.
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Giannis is in the AD conversation as well. A fully healthy, motivated Giannis. Good call. I am wildly curious about OG.
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Vessel said:

I can see Morez Johnson being an effective player against Wemby. Has extremely similar measurables to Bam but tested much better athletically.

Morez can step out on offense to drag Wemby away from the basket. He's big so can be physical with Wemby and he's extremely athletic. Has a 7'3.5" wingspan and 9' standing reach.


Yeah, the practice is after the Spurs draft Johnson will be intense
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Guitarsoup said:

Vessel said:

I can see Morez Johnson being an effective player against Wemby. Has extremely similar measurables to Bam but tested much better athletically.

Morez can step out on offense to drag Wemby away from the basket. He's big so can be physical with Wemby and he's extremely athletic. Has a 7'3.5" wingspan and 9' standing reach.


Yeah, the practice is after the Spurs draft Johnson will be intense

No way he falls that far at this point. I'd have no problem with the Mavs taking Morez at 9 as long as Wagler and Brown aren't on the board.
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Vessel said:

The problem with using both picks without making a trade is that the only route is renouncing the rights to two of Dort, Hartenstein, and Kenrich and losing them for nothing. Maybe Presti can fleece somebody again, but teams should know they hold all the cards when dealing in this situation.

FWIW, all three of the guys you listed have team options next year. Even though it wouldn't be ideal, Presti could just let them walk if he needs to save cap or open up roster spots.

But to your point, picking up Hart and/or Dort's options and trading them might not be easy though. Prob only a few teams could absorb their $$.
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Vessel said:

Guitarsoup said:

Vessel said:

I can see Morez Johnson being an effective player against Wemby. Has extremely similar measurables to Bam but tested much better athletically.

Morez can step out on offense to drag Wemby away from the basket. He's big so can be physical with Wemby and he's extremely athletic. Has a 7'3.5" wingspan and 9' standing reach.


Yeah, the practice is after the Spurs draft Johnson will be intense

No way he falls that far at this point. I'd have no problem with the Mavs taking Morez at 9 as long as Wagler and Brown aren't on the board.


Trading up is a thing.

Spurs have a roster crunch coming up with the expansion so they probably can't use and keep their first round pick this year and next year anyway
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What is the Spurs most valuable future asset at this point?

The Hawks pick isn't looking appealing anymore.

The future Mavs swap should hopefully be in the 20s since that will be Coop's prime.

Betting on Edwards not being in Minnesota in 2030?

SAC's pick in 2031? Spurs should not give that up.
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I think the Hawks pick looks more valuable now with the flattened lottery. Play in teams are getting lottery balls.

The Hawks made that run with a very weak schedule at the end of the season, but it was reliant heavily on CJ McCollum who is a free agent right now. They really need to upgrade several positions and they really struggle with a half court offense with Jalen Johnson running it. It's a weird team, but it's not a team that I would bet on being top six in the East next year.

I wouldn't move the long-term far out picks that have swaps like Minnesota, Dallas and Sacramento

But number 20 plus the Hawks pick and maybe some second round picks should be enough to move up five to seven spots. There are several teams in that area that have multiple picks
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Valley View Mall
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It's a huge disappointment they didn't find a downtown location like city hall or near the convention center that could work. In a few years Dallas won't have a single pro team downtown.
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It's no coincidence that everything started going downhill right after the Northend apartment complex was torn down...
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The AAC was literally built to stimulate the Dallas city economy and incentivize investment in the area (which at the time was NOTHING). AND IT WORKED. It sits at the cross roads of 3 major public train routes. Theres an actual urban atmosphere around it. Actually feels like it has some kind of soul…but of course the owners can't charge $100 per parking so POOF.

Earlier when the Stars where in the playoffs, there was a picture post game where hundreds of fans were congregating at the train platform to wait for their ride and someone quote tweeted it saying "that's at least $50 per person in parking fees that the owners aren't making money on and is exactly why they're going to move."

Basically, a sad but true observation about why all these soulless owners love to have their stadium be an island in a concrete ocean.
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It's not just the parking (in fact I think the parking is a marginal concern), the new owner dream is to create something like Atlanta's battery that is a stadium + bar and entertainment district. They have all realized that only having control of the stadium/arena puts a hard cap on their revenues, but if you can create a year round entertainment hub in your city you can really take in some cash.

Hypothetically that's what the Rangers' owners were trying to do, but that area isn't quite as slick as what Atlanta has.

Unfortunately, finding an area where you can build something of this scale means looking outside of downtown areas usually.
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Yep, it's far more than the parking. Perot cashed in on the Victory development (the whole reason his group bought the Mavs) and the current ownership of each franchise has no piece of it. That's what they want - the whole development enchilada around the stadium. That's why they are willing to abandon a perfectly good stadium. That's why they want separate sites
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M.C. Swag said:

The AAC was literally built to stimulate the Dallas city economy and incentivize investment in the area (which at the time was NOTHING). AND IT WORKED. It sits at the cross roads of 3 major public train routes. Theres an actual urban atmosphere around it. Actually feels like it has some kind of soul…but of course the owners can't charge $100 per parking so POOF.

Earlier when the Stars where in the playoffs, there was a picture post game where hundreds of fans were congregating at the train platform to wait for their ride and someone quote tweeted it saying "that's at least $50 per person in parking fees that the owners aren't making money on and is exactly why they're going to move."

Basically, a sad but true observation about why all these soulless owners love to have their stadium be an island in a concrete ocean.

Yea, they legit established that whole area finally.
**** these owners
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The issue across all sports is that the valuations of franchises have reached the point (in the billions) that your eccentric rich guy that loves the team can no longer buy the team on his own. Now he has to put together an investment group, and these investors don't give a crap about basketball or baseball, they just want a consistent return on their investment and the promise of a mad cash out in the future when they sell their stake.

There are a couple of exceptions like Ballmer and Cohen, but for the most part teams have fallen in to the hands of ownership groups now that have business driven mindsets on how to run a team. I hate this because one of the best parts of sports can be the synergy between city, team and owner. Some of those Cuban years when he was really into it court side were awesome and brought a ton of positive energy to the Mavs and the city.
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Ya I guess I should have phrased it that these owners don't want just the stadium, they want everything around it. Parking, bars, restaurants…they want the amenities the AAC already has but to own it all themselves.

Parking is 1 example of it and it is a big profit generator for these events stadiums (no inventory management and a few employees can serve tens of thousands of customers). And public transit by it's very definition is something that cannot be owned, and thus non revenue generating. So not only is it absent consideration but actively combated against completely. It can't make them money, so why have it?

It was the best way to frame the greed inherit to these owners.
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Hero bar owners ->

Meme with dog and coffee cup and house on fire. This is fine.
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By not having a downtown stadium you basically just gave the middle finger to most of the metroplex. People from the mid cities and fort worth are way less likely to go without a public transport option…..downtown wasnt the best but at least it was centralized and had trains that dropped off right there
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Correct!
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The tradeoff is that they will get more participation from all the far north Dallas suburbs, which is where the money is.
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Mateo84 said:

The tradeoff is that they will get more participation from all the far north Dallas suburbs, which is where the money is.


Maybe, but they lose out on the young crowd that lives in those downtown apt and condo developments that chose to live there because of the walkability to nightlife and sporting events.

The thing about the suburbs with the money, is that those families are crazy busy with all the activities that come along with having young children. They are good to go to like 4-5 games a year whether the stadium/arena is downtown or 10 miles north of downtown, it doesn't really change their behavior much. But the young professionals living downtown are way more likely to go to 15-20 games per year and form your core consistent fanbase. It's hilarious to see just one year after trading Luka and pissing off the fans, the Mavs would now further double down and move the team away from the area where their most dedicated fans are located.
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It seems like parking and traffic are going to be terrible with this move. I wonder if they can connect Dart somehow to that new East/West line going through Addison. Still would probably require too many transfers for most people to want to use it.
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Mateo84 said:

The tradeoff is that they will get more participation from all the far north Dallas suburbs, which is where the money is.


I get that, but once people realize how bad the traffic getting to the new stadium will be, i cant see people from the north burbs wanting to commute along 75/635/Preston more than 1 time a year….part of the appeal of downtown is the train and being in a walkable area
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I wonder how much money our $42 billion dollar owner is gonna ask from the public to build his private entertainment district?
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Will probably ask for all of it...
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Man, they just keep gutting the fan experience. How absolutely tone deaf are these morons, oh that's right, they are nepo babies of an abysmal human, that's right. Cuban is such an absolute ***** for his idiotic gambling thesis.
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Stars are gone too. Brutal 2 days for downtown dallas
 
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