A lot of Republicans thought he was some kind of hero. He's a coward though. He fights the right and says bupkis to the left.

And we ratchet ever-leftward.

Thanks, Massie. Nice principles you have there.

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Narcissist much?

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So you're saying he's presidential?

Honest questions and I hope one of you can explain it to me: There are plenty of living victims of Epstein and his "pedo" pals, right? Why can't they start naming names? You know, ACCUSE somebody of wrongdoing and then we can have a real investigation instead guilt by association and innuendo.

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Honest questions and I hope one of you can explain it to me: There are plenty of living victims of Epstein and his "pedo" pals, right? Why can't they start naming names? You know, ACCUSE somebody of wrongdoing and then we can have a real investigation instead guilt by association and innuendo.

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It would be great if the Department of Justice actually did that. Or does the DOJ not have the authority to do that?

Ellis Wyatt said:

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And we ratchet ever-leftward.

Thanks, Massie. Nice principles you have there.

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whatever your perfect politics and government and economic system is, if there's a set of people at the top of it who get away with torturing and sacrificing children for their jollies and rituals, it sucks in my book.

Massie and MTG were so loved by conservatives until something happened…

And we're soon to be a nation controlled by marxists. The rest won't matter.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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And we're soon to be a nation controlled by marxists. The rest won't matter.

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the sacrifice of children is a non-starter. I'd rather live in a socialist country that doesn't do that, than a place where celebs, billionaires and politicians have a satanic system that preys on kids. and they lie to your face and at the end of the day get away with everything. That's anti-God. I can safely say that's anti the God you have promoted here.

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93MarineHorn said:

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Honest questions and I hope one of you can explain it to me: There are plenty of living victims of Epstein and his "pedo" pals, right? Why can't they start naming names? You know, ACCUSE somebody of wrongdoing and then we can have a real investigation instead guilt by association and innuendo.

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It would be great if the Department of Justice actually did that. Or does the DOJ not have the authority to do that?

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How would DOJ bring charges without someone alleging a crime when everything is circumstantial evidence. If a victim would bring a charge they could release the hounds.

Again, why won't any victims name the perps?

Queso1 said:

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How is Maxwell in prison for trafficking people if there's no evidence? Who did she trafficked to?

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She is in jail for trafficking people to Epstein. Try to keep up with the fact.

Queso1 said:

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How is Maxwell in prison for trafficking people if there's no evidence? Who did she trafficked to?

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Yep. How has this massive hole in all of this escaped everybody.

If you can show me how anything else happens with this, I'm all ears. If not, the democrats will be re-opening our borders again soon enough, allowing far more harm to children than what Epstein and Co. were involved in.

****ing up Congress over this is a terrible, terrible idea that will have dire consequences for the Republic. But republicans are terrible leaders.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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If you can show me how anything else happens with this, I'm all ears. If not, the democrats will be re-opening our borders again soon enough, allowing far more harm to children than what Epstein and Co. were involved in.

****ing up Congress over this is a terrible, terrible idea that will have dire consequences for the Republic. But republicans are terrible leaders.

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you would have to have faith in pressing for the right thing, protecting the innocence and value of our children, at all costs. Rather than depending on political strategy. I'm in favor of protecting God's creation and receiving a reward for being a godly nation. faith in doing what's right. Choosing godly principles over political principles.
Pray about it, brother.

Worse than McCain? Dude, Massie never saved Obamacare, facilitated Russiagate, and certainly hasn't negligently crashed 5 planes we paid for, nor was he an Academy appointee thanks to his dad.

Say what one will about him, but my contempt for forever-war McCain will remain much higher unless Massie goes over some high bars in short order.

Massie is 1000 times worse than John McCain

by every single metric.

Massie is a conservatives best congressman. And it's not even close.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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just to clear my brain:

massie was with his wife since they were in high school. She dies suddenly and unexpectedly. He gets married less than a year later.

I'm not asserting anything about her death, and I dont begrudge him moving on or seeking happiness- just makes me feel like maybe he isn't the person I thought he was?

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That's weird that you think this is some kind of character flaw. He waited 16 months after his first wifes death to marry again. He knew her as she was an aid to Rand Paul. She was never married. And she's beautiful. His kids have all grown up and are married themselves. So it's not a big thing to get remarried.

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Amazing to watch every lefty seminar poster and sock come out of the woodwork to defend Massie while the fierce libertarians try to convince us he is the one true conservative we should all rally around. Very odd confluence of opinions…

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It's pretty easy to rationalize but yes appears odd on its face.

The D's love what Massie is doing because it helps them in the farce that is the two party race where all that matters is their team winning. The D's don't care about compromise or debating policy, just whether their side wins and Massie is indirectly helping that.

Conservatives like what Massie is doing because he's putting conservative policy over the party. Something that every person, regardless of party affiliation should support. The rest of the GOP supporters don't like him advocating for what he believes in because it ruins their two party race.

We need more people that advocate for their beliefs first and party second, but unfortunately an overwhelming majority of Congress and the voting populace advocates for party first over policy. The video below is a good representation of how bad this party over policy problem has become.

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I totally agree that we need more people that advocate for true conservative beliefs in congress. But congress is a two party system right now. Both parties suck, but one sucks way worse than the other. So if the margin between those two vote wise is razor thin, everybody needs to be paddling the boat in the same direction to get anything done. If one guy is out there paddling in the opposite direction, even if he is absolutely right about what he is saying, if he is obstructing getting good things done because "they are not the right good things" that he wants to focus on instead, then he is obstructing getting good things done.

And his admission that he was doing it for banal narcissistic reasons like wanting a public apology from Johnson just makes him look worse. Sack up dude! We have at most 8 months to get **** done before there is at least a 50/50 chance we lose the majority in the house. Like it or not this whole Epstein thing has been a big distraction from other bigger things we needed to get done. Everybody agrees that nothing is going to happen from it, whether it is because there is nothing there, or DOJ won't pursue anybody, or because the release of the files tainted the cases to be made against anybody, or whatever. So what was the point besides Massey joining with the Ds to help dunk on Trump and Bondi? What did it really accomplish?

McCain was a man who gave us Obamacare all by himself. With one thumbs up.

He betrayed our country over and over again.

McCain loved him some illegal immigration. He loved endless wars. He loved endless spending. And he was friends with lots of unsavery international terrorist light leaders. He helped make the current Ukraine war intractable.

McCain was actually evil.

Massie and Rand Paul are so principled...but they never do anything to bring solutions. All they do is complain, battle, and throw roadblocks--just to show how "principled" they are as Libertarians.

I don't understand Kentucky at all. It's supposedly a red state--but they often give us a Dem governor, gave us Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, and Thomas Massie. Its like KY wants to be considered straight, but yet they're found in bathhouses with other men all of the time.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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just to clear my brain:

massie was with his wife since they were in high school. She dies suddenly and unexpectedly. He gets married less than a year later.

I'm not asserting anything about her death, and I dont begrudge him moving on or seeking happiness- just makes me feel like maybe he isn't the person I thought he was?

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That's weird that you think this is some kind of character flaw. He waited 16 months after his first wifes death to marry again.

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Its hard to describe as a character flaw. I absolutely do not understand how a person could do it. Apologies for be incorrect in the period of time, but I doesnt alleviate my repugnance to the situation.

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As opposed to DJT whose been married 5 times and cheated on 4 wives lol

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Massie and Rand Paul are so principled...but they never do anything to bring solutions. All they do is complain, battle, and throw roadblocks--just to show how "principled" they are as Libertarians.

I don't understand Kentucky at all. It's supposedly a red state--but they often give us a Dem governor, gave us Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, and Thomas Massie. Its like KY wants to be considered straight, but yet they're found in bathhouses with other men all of the time.

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Rand is 1 of 100 Senators, just like Cruz. They have brought forth many solutions, good luck getting a majority of the 99 Senators to vote on it, assuming it could then pass the House and be signed.

People saying files are released with most of all the names redacted. Huge Trump supporter but he has fumbled this big time if you can't recognize this you are not being honest.

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Tea Party said:

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txags92 said:

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Amazing to watch every lefty seminar poster and sock come out of the woodwork to defend Massie while the fierce libertarians try to convince us he is the one true conservative we should all rally around. Very odd confluence of opinions…

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It's pretty easy to rationalize but yes appears odd on its face.

The D's love what Massie is doing because it helps them in the farce that is the two party race where all that matters is their team winning. The D's don't care about compromise or debating policy, just whether their side wins and Massie is indirectly helping that.

Conservatives like what Massie is doing because he's putting conservative policy over the party. Something that every person, regardless of party affiliation should support. The rest of the GOP supporters don't like him advocating for what he believes in because it ruins their two party race.

We need more people that advocate for their beliefs first and party second, but unfortunately an overwhelming majority of Congress and the voting populace advocates for party first over policy. The video below is a good representation of how bad this party over policy problem has become.

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I totally agree that we need more people that advocate for true conservative beliefs in congress. But congress is a two party system right now. Both parties suck, but one sucks way worse than the other. So if the margin between those two vote wise is razor thin, everybody needs to be paddling the boat in the same direction to get anything done. If one guy is out there paddling in the opposite direction, even if he is absolutely right about what he is saying, if he is obstructing getting good things done because "they are not the right good things" that he wants to focus on instead, then he is obstructing getting good things done.

And his admission that he was doing it for banal narcissistic reasons like wanting a public apology from Johnson just makes him look worse. Sack up dude! We have at most 8 months to get **** done before there is at least a 50/50 chance we lose the majority in the house. Like it or not this whole Epstein thing has been a big distraction from other bigger things we needed to get done. Everybody agrees that nothing is going to happen from it, whether it is because there is nothing there, or DOJ won't pursue anybody, or because the release of the files tainted the cases to be made against anybody, or whatever. So what was the point besides Massey joining with the Ds to help dunk on Trump and Bondi? What did it really accomplish?

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My point isn't evan about gaining more conservative beliefs in Congress. Yes, I absolutely would love that. But my point is that the overwhelming majority of politicians and voters are party over policy. Your entire point above was based on "my team must win" rather than my politician should advocate for what their constituents want.

Watch the video I posted and focus on how much grey there is in the 81st Congress from 1949-1951 compared to the 108th Congress and onward from 2003 to now. There was significantly more party cross-over in voting back then than there is now. Showing that the "two party system" we have now is merely for appointing leaders and bringing legislation forward in simple terms, but politicians were not near guaranteed to vote on party lines like now.

That is the problem. Massie is going back to the way it used to be where principles and policy was the first priority and voting with the party as a unified block was a distant second. We need more people like that, regardless of political ideology. Though if the two party split keeps widening as it has been, then the problem becomes a national crisis.

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You know a Republican has gone rogue when he actually demands that the Epstein files not be covered up.

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Let's break down the logic of your statement...

You realize you're actually alleging that Massie is holding the Trump administration's feet to the fire for "covering up" Epstein files that THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S DOJ had and chose not to release.

Are you willing to reply and admit you actually believe that allegation? Or are you willing to man up and acknowledge that the above scenario would never happen? Or, will you just take Door #3 and slink back into the shadows?

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You think you got me because Biden did something bad/wrong too?

How about you have some principles and demand that EVERYONE do the right thing.

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Yes, I think you're "gotten" if you voted for Biden because it makes it clear that you're a gullible, easy-to-fool person.

Please tell us why Biden didn't release the files.