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DargelSkout
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I listened to the Joe Rogan interview. I got the feeling that lady was lying. Maybe it's all true, but something about her and her answers kept throwing up red flags for me.

For example, she said people don't have a reason to lie about it. Well yes they do, there's attention they're getting because of it. She's making money (I assume) on the podcast, and now a documentary. There's plenty of reasons for them to fabricate this and people have gone to greater lengths in the past to make up stories for attention.
Redstone
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Did you listen to the entire series, especially the details of the scientific literature as relayed by the Cambridge researcher? My characterization was his. At a minimum, it's worth isolating his claim and delving into it.
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Earth Rider said:

Well yeah, extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.

I fly a unicorn to work every day. What no one believes me? trust me i do and I wouldn't lie.

If telepathy really was happening, there would be so many documentaries about it yesterday. I watched nova for years, can't wait to see the telepathy episode, uhuh.

The reason there aren't "so many documentaries about it yesterday" is because of stigma.

Because of attitudes like this that keep legitimate scientists from touching the subject with a ten-foot pole, due to being immediately ridiculed by their peers and folks like you, despite the clear, valid, and painstaking efforts someone like Dickens and her team went through; painstaking efforts to be as transparent and above board as possible, never mind their own initial skepticism and limited resources.

Regardless, now that Dickens and her team are convinced, she *is* now engaging with scientists/research teams to validate. If you'd actually listen to the podcast or any of her interviews, you'd know this.

In the meantime, she's raising awareness in order to help chip away at that stigma.

Again, it's a process.

She owes to nothing to message board bros demanding immediate, concrete proof/validation. When and if the scientists/research teams can't validate then you can hem and haw and say "I told you so" all you want.
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DargelSkout said:

I listened to the Joe Rogan interview. I got the feeling that lady was lying. Maybe it's all true, but something about her and her answers kept throwing up red flags for me.

For example, she said people don't have a reason to lie about it. Well yes they do, there's attention they're getting because of it. She's making money (I assume) on the podcast, and now a documentary. There's plenty of reasons for them to fabricate this and people have gone to greater lengths in the past to make up stories for attention.

Man, I literally came away with the exact opposite impression. Never mind the fact that she, her entire team, along with every single subject who participated, would have be lying as well in order to pull this off. To somehow get that many people on board her ruse, only for "attention" and the very little $$$ she/they got from the podcast is just as "absurd" as the prospect of telepathy itself.
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The reason there aren't "so many documentaries about it yesterday" is because of stigma.

Because of attitudes like this that keep legitimate scientists from touching the subject with a ten-foot pole
Telepathy has been researched for probably 100+ years by legitimate scientists.
The CIA had a program, the Soviets had a program well into the 90's.
The reason there is a stigma now is because for 100 years any positive results have been debunked as BS.

Happy to find out if it's true, but until it's conclusive, this is just another bunch of hucksters like Uri Geller bending spoons.
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Apache said:

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The reason there aren't "so many documentaries about it yesterday" is because of stigma.

Because of attitudes like this that keep legitimate scientists from touching the subject with a ten-foot pole
Telepathy has been researched for probably 100+ years by legitimate scientists.
The CIA had a program, the Soviets had a program well into the 90's.
The reason there is a stigma now is because for 100 years any positive results have been debunked as BS.

Happy to find out if it's true, but until it's conclusive, this is just another bunch of hucksters like Uri Geller bending spoons.


This isn't even remotely true.
Apache
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This is even remotely true.
I agree.

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The reason there is a stigma now is because for 100 years any positive results have been debunked as BS.
I know what you meant though. So if there have been real double blind scientific tests with positive results, let me know what they are. Until it's proven, the telepathy tapes are as real as this stuff was:



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Q&A from The Age of Disclosure with @Dan_Farah and a number of participants. The film really ties together the story in a comprehensive way. For hardcore followers of this topic, there isn't any "new" irrefutable evidence presented, however with 34 former USG officials, then there is a preponderance of evidence about a deeper context of all of the public facing testimony that has happened since the NYT article in 2017. In particular, Jay Stratton was able to provide key context about the behind-the-scenes of the UAP Task Force, Grusch testimony, and Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff also were able to share some new bits of their work with the DIA. Elizondo is the heart that also provides a strong narrative backbone, but the real new stars here some from Rubio and Rounds who provide real context that the language in the UAP Disclosure Act didn't come out of nowhere. It also brilliantly weaves together lots of archival statements from other officials and former Presidents. The history of UFOlogy is fragmented and there is a lot of lore, and The Age of Disclosure ties it all together with some of the most authoritative and compelling evidence. It is the power of storytelling that brings a real emotional impact to these disparate facts. Also, this film is crossing the chasm from the innovators and early adopters who are credulous about this core UFO lore, and it brings all together within the context of a narrative is very digestible for mainstream audiences beyond the UFO true believers. They identify the behind-the-scenes dynamics shaping this story at the CIA, DoE, Air Force and defense contractors, and Farah says the new administration will be using this film as a part of their efforts. Definitely go check it out!
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I got to see AGE OF DISCLOSURE at SXSW tonight!

This sucker was dense with information, and similar to THE PROGRAM, covered a lot of the recent happenings. It was impactful to hear a similar message from so many in this film. A great primer for normies as well.

SPOILER ALERT. I'm going to hit you with some things that stuck out to me that were new or interesting.

- Irrefutable evidence, including video exists
- Jay Stratton and Lue Elizondo tell their story in a way that came off as scripted, or at least meticulously laid out
- Hal Puthoff confirmed he worked with other scientists in the legacy program we don't know about
- Treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin was briefed on the crash retrieval program to anticipate the economic impact if Trump were to hold a disclosure press conference
- The CIA science and technology division runs the CR program with more knowledge than the politically appointed CIA director. This goes back to the creation of the CIA months after Roswell by Truman in 1947.
- Hal articulated details on how the crash retrieval program works
- DOE is outside of the normal classification system which is why they've been able to keep it secret
- Hal says there are multiple species
- Russia recovered an 80 foot tic tac with humanoid bodies and a directed energy weapon (DEW)
- President George H Bush told Eric Davis details of several CR's since the 40's and the meeting with beings at Holloman AFB
- The Vatican knows the truth about NHI and covered it up
- The UFO incident in Stephenville Texas involved President "dubya"'s ranch, and the CIA showed up and denied Jay Stratton access
- Secretary of State Rubio spoke on how defense contractors claim UAP tech as their own
- Puthoff and Davis talk about propulsion bubbles and photos that show their effects. UFO pictures are fuzzy due to this.
- Zero point energy (ZPE) and energy derived from quantum entanglement is real according to Eric Davis.
- The risk of letting this technology out is a big part of the secrecy
- Jay says "intense information" shouldn't be revealed, and it didn't seem like he meant technology
- Pretty much an admission that reversed engineered UAP's exist from Puthoff
- A group of 27 threatened to kill Lue and Grusch
- Puthoff had a hopeful message that we may go to the stars
- Lue's message that you'll say I wish I would've known sooner was ominous

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- Jay Stratton had an intensity about him. He said he showed Congress where NHI tech was at, and they were denied
- Advocated for people to get involved to overcome this
- He's worried about China / Russian getting this tech first which would be checkmate
- Hal Puthoff thinks progress is being made and mentioned his work with a national science and technology organization that recently started a UAP effort
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Agristotle
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i keep trying to imagine what a "Disclosure Press Conference" would be like.

Words without proof would be inadequate.
So, what would the "evidence" be like?

Would it be bipartisan, with Schumer standing next to Trump?

Would other countries be brought in to the presentation? If so, how would you keep a lid on that?

would there be widespread civil unrest demanding more info?
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I'm still of the belief that our government will never willingly come forward with disclosure.

Instead, one of three things will force their hand...

1) Another country announces/reveals proof of NHI first. Basically a "Sputnik"-like event, partly meant to embarrass/weaken the US.

2) A current or former highly credible government employee/whistleblower finally comes forward with irrefutable proof in the form of video, photos, and corroborating documentation, eventually confirmed by the powers-that-be.

3) There's either a mass, unmistakable sighting - or a series of mass, unmistakable sightings - that the government is forced to address.
Redstone
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Disclosure is inherently very difficult and unexplainable - even as it is plainly occurring.

The Phenomenon is many things, spiritual and material intertwined, and the Harvard speculative paper Tim Alberino reviews here does a great job of laying that out….

Remember that some of the most highly credentialed military officials on the planet have talked in detail, from first-hand experience, of materialist objects appearing and disappearing (echoes of Bigfoot….), of "crafts" fading out, but not before they "drip" metallic type pieces….its blurry

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/blurry-creatures/id1526885135?i=1000671577610
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If we are embodied spirits made for the unseen realm yet anchored in a materialist reality, like amphibians capable of land and water, what about cosmic beings?

Remember that angel and demons, as terms, are awkwardly translated to English. 2,000 years ago, the understanding was more "job description" and less a category of existence. Planetary spirits, unclean spirits, demons (a narrow term back then!), princes of Daniel 10, rulers and principalities, multiple choirs of angels…..multiple of hominids, just on earth…..what else?

The gods are real. But worship the Logos of John 1.
Apache
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- Russia recovered an 80 foot tic tac with humanoid bodies and a directed energy weapon (DEW)

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- Jay Stratton had an intensity about him. He said he showed Congress where NHI tech was at, and they were denied

- He's worried about China / Russian getting this tech first which would be checkmate

So according to this, Russia has a tic tac & DEW already.
"Getting this tech first" means figuring out how to use it then..
Russia can't keep their army supplied to defeat Ukraine. If any of this is real, China is the threat.

Pretty cool to consider. Still, this is all "trust me bro" until something really shows up.
Earth Rider
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TCTTS said:

Earth Rider said:

Well yeah, extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.

I fly a unicorn to work every day. What no one believes me? trust me i do and I wouldn't lie.

If telepathy really was happening, there would be so many documentaries about it yesterday. I watched nova for years, can't wait to see the telepathy episode, uhuh.

The reason there aren't "so many documentaries about it yesterday" is because of stigma.

Because of attitudes like this that keep legitimate scientists from touching the subject with a ten-foot pole, due to being immediately ridiculed by their peers and folks like you, despite the clear, valid, and painstaking efforts someone like Dickens and her team went through; painstaking efforts to be as transparent and above board as possible, never mind their own initial skepticism and limited resources.

Regardless, now that Dickens and her team are convinced, she *is* now engaging with scientists/research teams to validate. If you'd actually listen to the podcast or any of her interviews, you'd know this.

In the meantime, she's raising awareness in order to help chip away at that stigma.

Again, it's a process.

She owes to nothing to message board bros demanding immediate, concrete proof/validation. When and if the scientists/research teams can't validate then you can hem and haw and say "I told you so" all you want.
I listened to the podcast,and probably 90 percent of all of rogans podcasts in the last two years.

She owes nothing to us, but it's a free country and I can doubt her all I want. she is 99.99 percent either a Charleton or lost in her own mind believing something that isn't true. I've known a couple of those in my 50 years also.

Those "other people" in her studies were not present in the podcast, she was "their voice" for them. I'd like to hear what they have to say about this, and not her rendition. Again, we are talking about a sample size of what? Maybe ten or 15 people in six billion and 4000 years plus of human history. And you think this human ability was just shunned and not able to be made public throughout all that.

This is bat sh8t crazy man. Are we talking House of Atreides voice stuff here? If it was possible it would have been developed and enhanced and strategically and financially utilized.

Sometimes people want to believe it to be true so desperately they make it up in their mind and believe it. I sadly think that is her case, and likely her subjects.
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Okay.
TKEAg04
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Interesting find on Reddit: A tic-tac has been spotted on one of the mars rover camera pictures.

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https://mars.nasa.gov/raw_images/787528/

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https://www.gigapan.com/embeds/NPerz0g6Gnw/

TKEAg04
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I will say the scale is unknown, but a cool find any way you look at it. Nothing that symmetrical should be on Mars outside of the rover.
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really curious of the scale in these photos. All of the descriptions of the "tic tac" I've seen point to a VW minibus sized object. IIRC. I thought the rover pics were much more focused on close up stuff. would seem to preclude that scale. Just my thought process thinking about it.
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Disenfranchised Ag94
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Tic Tac? Really?? It is obvious that this is a weather balloon. If it's not a weather balloon, then it is most likely a ancient rock (that is floating.)
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TKEAg04 said:

I will say the scale is unknown, but a cool find any way you look at it. Nothing that symmetrical should be on Mars outside of the rover.
According to the mod's post on Reddit and referencing this image from the left side rover mast camera, the object would be only millimeters in size.

https://mars.nasa.gov/raw_images/786860/?site=msl

Literally nothing to see here.
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https://mars.nasa.gov/raw_images/786860/?site=msl

You can see the rock formation in this picture from a couple mins later. Pretty neat looking formation. Only alien that it is on mars, though!
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oragator
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It's silliness like this that helps keep the larger topic from being taken seriously. There are symmetric and even "shiny" objects all over Mars (seriously, just google mars nodules), this is a few mm's wide, and there's other objects in the tram that are similar.
But here we are.
Redstone
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It's not silly speculation at all. Debate, argue, study. Disprove. If the phenomenon is real, then doing that AND our subjective experiences, with pattern recognition across time and environments, help lead to objective realities.
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There's nothing to debate, that's the point. It's a known and already studied phenomen. It's click bait for believers, nothing more. And exactly why reputable journalists avoid a topic that has merit, because they get associated with this kind of silliness.
Redstone
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Follow Ross Couthart, watch senators on 60 Minutes this Sunday, and check out the new disclosure doc now at South by

Indisputably weird things are occurring. You're here because you have an interest, so be comprehensive in due diligence and openness
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oragator said:

There's nothing to debate, that's the point. It's a known and already studied phenomen. It's click bait for believers, nothing more. And exactly why reputable journalists avoid a topic that has merit, because they get associated with this kind of silliness.

Except there IS something to debate.

It was literally debated.

That's how the conclusion was reached that the object is probably only a few millimeters in length, and thus a "nothing burger." Someone came across a curious-looking object in an image on the official NASA site, drew attention to it, and then a few thousand people went to work analyzing it, at which point a conclusion was ultimately reached.

To me, this is exactly how this process should work.

To me, that's science.

That, and I saw way more cautious, take-this-with-a-grain-of-salt speculation than I did people screaming "aliens!"

Besides, of all the cringe **** in this field that keeps reputable journalists, scientists, etc away, this seemed rather tame and innocuous in comparison.
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That said, if the phenomenon is, indeed, real on Earth, there's absolutely no reason the same beings/technology wouldn't be studying/using Mars as well. Granted, the lack of known life on Mars means that any potential NHI would probably be way more active on and interesting in our planet, but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility that they're also zipping around there for whatever reason.

Or that life once existed on Mars.

Or that "they" once even lived on Mars.

Thus, all things considered, it's not some crazy notion that we MIGHT photograph something out of the ordinary on Mars.
Redstone
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Jimmy Akin provides an excellent overview of (IMO, the new and emerging right now) physics of UAP.

https://sqpn.com/2025/03/ufo-observables-unidentified-flying-objects-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-uaps/
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