***** 2025-2026 San Antonio Spurs Thread *****

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Average Joe
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The interactions between them two are awesome. The book thing last year and now this. Obvious mutual respect from both.
Guitarsoup
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It honestly seems like Wemby is universally respected in the league. They know he is him.

Which is why I am fine if he always rests against putos like Dillon Brooks and Draymond Green.
Average Joe
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Guitarsoup said:

It honestly seems like Wemby is universally respected in the league. They know he is him.

Which is why I am fine if he always rests against putos like Dillon Brooks and Draymond Green.

I still have an irrational hate for Ant because of that Adam Sandler movie, but his comments after game 1 were a big sign of respect. I just wish it would have inspired Joker and Luka. No one is touching that team if those two play.
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His personality is not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but I like Ant a lot. He is always itching for the big moment, is almost never one to try and play the refs instead of playing the game, and maintains both a clear competitive intensity and loyal support to his teammates.
Guitarsoup
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Plumdog until a better player gets bought out.
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AggieEP
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In today's game Dave would basically be Giannis. Unfortunately the world of 90s basketball forced him to be a center and to play that role on a daily basis but he had so much more he could have been if positionless basketball had been in vogue back then.

I have great memories of those teams, but in retrospect it's hard to imagine that a coach could not see how dumb it was to let Vinny del Negro and Avery Johnson initiate the offense so often when you could have been putting the ball in Dave Robinson and Sean Elliot's hands instead.
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Chris Paul says the Spurs were the best organization he ever played for.
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Average Joe said:

Guitarsoup said:

It honestly seems like Wemby is universally respected in the league. They know he is him.

Which is why I am fine if he always rests against putos like Dillon Brooks and Draymond Green.

I still have an irrational hate for Ant because of that Adam Sandler movie, but his comments after game 1 were a big sign of respect. I just wish it would have inspired Joker and Luka. No one is touching that team if those two play.

Too bad SGA and Giannis were out with injuries too.
Average Joe
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SGA, Joker, Luka, Giannis, Wemby.

A little big, but not sure you're beating that team.
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Guitarsoup
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LawHall88 said:




Had 4 years to learn how to shoot. There was plenty of opportunity, but he never got better.
CC09LawAg
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Yep.

And if you can't learn to shoot and you realize that skill is never coming along, you better be a 110% energy/hustle guy and learn how to screen and playmake.

And then realize your pay is going to be equal to a guy that is situational and not foundational.
Obi Wan Ginobili
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I'm going to sound like a dick saying it, but I never understood the Sochan love. Great teammate, yada yada. That's admirable. We didn't win because of him, so he stopped getting playing time. It be like that sometimes.

Good luck in New York. If nothing else, you get to live somewhere cooler than San Antonio.
superunknown
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Don't know if yall saw that Doug Moe passed away...the only coach to lead the Spurs to Eastern Conference greatness.
Guitarsoup
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I'm always gonna like high energy hustle guys. But also recognize if they don't develop an offensive skill beyond being above average at setting picks, there is no place for them.

He was fun and quirky, which was nice to have when we were a 20 win team. But if all you are is a fun, quirky pest defender, maybe it is best to go be a fan favorite for a different 20-win team next year.
Average Joe
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Sochan was great for what we needed him to do for a time. Our goals and objectives changed and he was no longer a piece that fit into our new goals. It sucks because he was a great teammate, loyal, and everyone liked him, but he doesn't fit the new puzzle.
AggieEP
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I think the puzzle analogy is the best one here. He's probably a good basketball player that has a productive role somewhere. But for the pieces we have now, and how well those pieces are playing together he didn't have a clear path to any playing time.

Sometimes things like this are good for a player, it's not easy to get cut essentially, and now he's going to have to do some deep introspection on what he's willing to do to address some of the shortcomings in his game.
Guitarsoup
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We are to the point where every team is just punting against us.



Dillon Brooks is suspended, too.
Enzo The Baker
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Guitarsoup said:

We are to the point where every team is just punting against us.



Dillon Brooks is suspended, too.

It says 'off the injury report'. Bring it.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

We are to the point where every team is just punting against us.



Dillon Brooks is suspended, too.

It says 'off the injury report'. Bring it.


Counterpoint: I'm an idiot
AggieEP
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Mavs board was talking draft preferences, what are our thoughts assuming the ATL pick ends up 10-12? And what are our preferences if it jumps into the top 3?

Usually I'm solidly a best player available over positional fit, but I'm thinking this year we have to target someone who can credibly play the 3/4

Top 3 that would mean either Boozer or Wilson for me. Probably with Boozer being my personal preference as a high IQ player with a safe floor that should be able to earn a role as a role player pretty early. He doesn't block shots, but he does rebound and he averages 4 APG also.

If we're in the 10-12 range, I think we're huge winners if Nate Ament slips to us. He's become much more efficient recently as his extremely slim frame has adjusted to college ball, and I think there is some projection there for him to be at minimum a similar player to Harrison Barnes with an upside projection that gives you Jaden McDaniels.
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Boozer easily in top 3.

I've still not sold on Nate. I don't feel like he has any single thing that you can hang your hat on him and say he's elite at this. He obviously isn't physical enough for the physical presence. We need it power forward since he weighs about 20 lb less than Carter Bryant.

Cenac has the physical profile but questions about motor.

Hannes might project to be more of a center but I would take him. The question about a shot is that it's low volume but I think a lot of that is because he has to play post as the number one guy on his team and he gets the most focus from the other defense. In our offense I think he could be a screener and then hide in the corner or pop at the top and he would get a lot of open looks.

Koa has the motor and physical profile but can't shoot

I still like Haugh. I think he's going to be an elite teammate Not back down from any challenges and have an elite motor to do anything we ask of him . He obviously isn't as strong as we would want in an ideal world.

I would take Cameron Carr out of Baylor even though he's not the right positional fit. He has like a 7'2 wingspan and can shoot lights out.


If we traded down, Joshua Jefferson.
AggieEP
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This was written before Nate Ament started to solve some/most of his efficiency issues.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/nate-ament-and-resetting-expectations

I think what I see is a kid that wasn't physically ready for college ball. He also likely won't be ready for pro ball next year as anything more than a guy that can shoot corner 3s. But given a couple of years I think he is a 15-20 ppg scorer and a high IQ player that has the right kind of work ethic. Jis emergence would coincide with the timeline where we'd expect Fox to be on the way out and us needing to have options to replace the scoring he gives, especially the one on one creation offense that he brings when the offense is stagnant. Ament has some of that ability because of his size and comfortability with the ball in his hands.

I do like some of the other guys you mention as well, and perhaps the time has come for the Spurs to only focus on drafting more mature players that are ready to plug and play physically even if that generally comes with a much lower ceiling. Haugh has had 3 years in college and still can't really shoot the 3 at a high clip (34%). I think it's easy (possible) to imagine Ament being much better than Haugh when he's 22. But that depends on what the Spurs think now about developing 19 year olds with the contention window now open.
Guitarsoup
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Ament is just a really weird one. If you believe his AAU shooting (~40% from three) then the 6'10 shooter makes sense. But at Tennessee it is 32%.

I don't think he moves all that fluid. He seems stiff, especially in the hips, and I don't think that bodes well at the next level. I think he was 6'9 185 at McDonald's All-American, but Tennessee is listing him at 6'10 207. Did he gain 20lbs? IDK. But he needs to really gain like 30 more to be a PF. But getting him to essentially gain 50lbs when he already doesn't seem fluid doesn't seem like a good thing.





Just doesn't look to have a PF physique and we already get pushed around by physical bigs.

I just don't think he is elite at anything and he doesn't have the ideal physique that we would want. I think he is talented enough to roll the dice, but he is also probably going between 5-9 and I don't think there is any shot we have a pick in that area, so he is mostly irrelevant to me.

Boozer is the dream. Caleb Wilson would make an insane defense. Then you bump down to the 10-14 range and you are looking at Cenac, Peat, Hannes Steinbach, Cam Carr, etc.
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AggieEP
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I ended up watching 3 or 4 Tennessee games over the past few weeks and I have seen some growth in Ament that I think bodes well for the future. But I'm only sold on him as a long term development project of he falls to us at 11 or 12, in no way do I think he plays an important role for a winning team next year.

The Spurs though are in an interesting place, if we assume they try to mostly run it back next year with the same group, then there aren't a lot of minutes up for grabs. To me that means it makes some sense to draft a guy with a higher ceiling that might need some time to season.

If we jump up into the top 3, then things get real interesting from a roster perspective. I don't think you draft either Boozer or Wilson to have them not play, so you have to find a way to get them into the rotation. That can be problematic because the easiest guys to replace are Barnes and Champagnie, but those are our two best shooters and are important to helping keep the court open for Fox, Castle and Harper's attacking. Neither Boozer or Wilson can play that role, nor would you really want to draft a guy at 3 for him to play Barnes' role of corner shooter.

All I know is that I'm rooting for ATL to absolutely implode and to make sure that their lottery balls are our lottery balls.

Can you imagine the defensive lineup of death though with Fox, Castle, Wilson and Wemby out there.
Guitarsoup
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AggieEP said:

I ended up watching 3 or 4 Tennessee games over the past few weeks and I have seen some growth in Ament that I think bodes well for the future. But I'm only sold on him as a long term development project of he falls to us at 11 or 12, in no way do I think he plays an important role for a winning team next year.

The Spurs though are in an interesting place, if we assume they try to mostly run it back next year with the same group, then there aren't a lot of minutes up for grabs. To me that means it makes some sense to draft a guy with a higher ceiling that might need some time to season.

If we jump up into the top 3, then things get real interesting from a roster perspective. I don't think you draft either Boozer or Wilson to have them not play, so you have to find a way to get them into the rotation. That can be problematic because the easiest guys to replace are Barnes and Champagnie, but those are our two best shooters and are important to helping keep the court open for Fox, Castle and Harper's attacking. Neither Boozer or Wilson can play that role, nor would you really want to draft a guy at 3 for him to play Barnes' role of corner shooter.

All I know is that I'm rooting for ATL to absolutely implode and to make sure that their lottery balls are our lottery balls.

Can you imagine the defensive lineup of death though with Fox, Castle, Wilson and Wemby out there.

I'm assuming we don't move up, but if we do, Boozer or Wilson are both dreams. With Wemby, Castle, and Wilson, we might have 3 of the 5 best defenders in the NBA.

So I think Barnes comes back on a cheap contract with the understanding his minutes are likely going from 30 to 15.

Free Agency SUCKS next year. But I think that we can just use part of the MLE on either Kenrich Williams or Dean Wade. Both are ~31 and both are solid 15-20mpg two way guys.

Then the draft pick. I don't think Ament will factor in because he won't be 1-4 and he won't be 11-15.

Steinbach may be a little more C than PF, but probably could do some of both. I like Koa a lot, but I dont' want a shooting project that much. Everything else is great for Koa, but that shooting is likely never going to come. But if Steinbach is there and we believe in his shot being 36%+, I think he is an easy take.

In the second round, I have a few guys I like:

Rueben Chinyelu - C from Florida. Nice motor, big body, will take on the grind down low. His hands are brutally bad. Big Nigerian ball of muscle.

Henri Veesaar - C from UNC. More of a help defender than primary post defender, but hitting 45% of his threes on 3 per game, plus he passes well. He was teammates with Carter Bryant last year. More of a finesse guy.

Milan Momcilovic - Wing from Iowa state. He can shoot it. It isn't super fast and it isn't Ray Allen Pretty. But it goes in at like 55% on 7 per game. He also won't defend, pass, or anything else you would expect for a basketball player. But take him with the mid-40s pick, give him a two-way and that Steve Kerr 2003 role of "We just need to sub you in for 5 minutes and expect you to get open and hit 4-5 straight shots." Just pure heat check guy for the end of the bench.

Alex Karaban. Forward from UCONN. Castle's teammate. I just think he's a winner. UCONN Doug McDermott.

Sergio de Larrea. Guard from Spain. He's 6'6 and can shoot like crazy. Turns over too much, but whatever. Take him in the 2nd round and let him develop in Europe so when we trade Fox in 2028, he can replace Harper as bench guard.


So I would basically keep the team mostly the same.

Draft: Steinbach, Chinyelo or Veesar, Karaban or Milan and Sergio.

Free Agency: Dean Wade or Kenrich Williams

Resign: Barnes and McLovin

Center: Wemby - Kornet - Chinyelo or Veesar [2nd round pick with Jazz selection]

Forward: Barnes - Wade or Kenrich [FA] - Steinbach

Wing: Vassell - Keldon - Bryant - Milan or Karaban [2nd]

Guard: Castle - [Vassell] - Julian

Point: Fox - Harper - McLovin

So really, Bryant, Keldon, Julian can slot in 2-4. And Bryant or Julian may be starting at PF next year against most matchups.
Guitarsoup
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Sochan with Knicks tonight
10 minutes
2 points
0 rebounds
1 assist
1 steal
1 block
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Then on the other end they called Castle with his 5th.
AggieEP
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I really hope we're active with our 2nd round picks this year looking at experienced guys like Chinyelu and Veesaar. I think we missed out on some easy cheap depth last year not taking a flier with Raynaud, Kobe Sanders etc. The key to keeping our window open for as long as possible is going to be finding a few of those guys that can hold down a roster spot for 2 million dollars a year.

Hindsight is 20/20 but knowing now that we just cut Sochan, we likely could have flipped him for a future 2nd at a minimum back then and saved money and rostered a cheap 2nd rounder.
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Guitarsoup said:



Then on the other end they called Castle with his 5th.


Then Wemby went supernova including dunking on half the Suns so it worked out.
FTAG 2000
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Anyone know why Carter didn't get run until late? Clearly wasn't hurt so it was either being in doghouse or a classic Mitch forgetting he's down there somewhere on the bench situation.
Guitarsoup
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FTAG 2000 said:

Guitarsoup said:



Then on the other end they called Castle with his 5th.


Then Wemby went supernova including dunking on half the Suns so it worked out.



Here you go:

Guitarsoup
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FTAG 2000 said:

Anyone know why Carter didn't get run until late? Clearly wasn't hurt so it was either being in doghouse or a classic Mitch forgetting he's down there somewhere on the bench situation.

I think it is kind of hard to have a 10-man rotation and Barnes/Julian/Devin/Keldon were all +16 or better.


Meanwhile with the other Rookie:



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