Bob Yancy, why does the city want a busy thoroughfare through Pebble Creek?

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Aggieland Proud said:

Folks, we may need to bring the pitch forks back out as I heard a rumor yesterday that the city management has not committed to honoring the council's decision on the fate of Pebble Creek Parkway. The city manager is where I understood the finger is being pointed as being the roadblock. New elections can't get here fast enough and a new mayor is desperately needed.


Can confirm that this is 100% accurate as of this week. The city manager is still trying to push through Pebble Creek parkway & has been aggressively working behind the scenes on it since council voted not to. It seems that most of council & the Mayor are very much in city management's pocket at the moment.


Rule 1 for City Managers : Resume building involves high dollar projects.
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Hornbeck said:

tbone94 said:

I support your viewpoint and appreciate you standing up for citizens the way you do! Please save Pebble Creek!


Bob was pretty vocal at the Council meeting where this was discussed. I don't see him flip flopping on this.

The mayor on the other hand, seemed very reluctant to agree to not punching it through.

The City Manager, who just got a raise, pretty much does what he wants. Some folks on council let this happen, and continue to enable it, IMHO.


You are entirely correct. A few points to note. They will try and push it through under the guise of public safety. Woods had previously directed both the Chief of Police and the Fire Chief to produce statistics and GIS data showing the need for this cut through. Both of those chiefs presented data to council that was inaccurate and designed to misrepresent. Yancy pushed back against the Fire Chief with actual times from his own driving of those routes without rebuttal.

They will also cite cost, saying that the lakeway route will
Cost the city millions more than a developer extending pebble creek parkway. Their own transportation planners have stated that the road is not nearly wide enough in parts and they have not publicly discussed the costs of potential eminent domain and seizing land from homeowners as well as the golf course in certain parts.

I encourage folks to speak to local police officers and firefighters to hear their actual opinions on these issues not the sanitized versions of their dept heads & management.

Both the city of Bryan and CS are having internal turmoil currently. Bryan Fire has been quite vocal on social media while College Station, both PD & FD, have not. They are both facing similar issues though, the parkway issue is but a symptom of a much larger problem, and that is bad faith management and a lame council. KBTX doesn't really cover the issues until they are snubbed as can be seen by this last Bryan council meeting when their PR person cut them off from asking the Fire Chief any questions.
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The City Manager is trying to say it's too expensive. BUT, the city is building a new Fire Station down Greens Prairie Road, that is up against the ETJ on one side, meaning that it's not centrally located. Where was he when that decision was made? Looks like poor planning that didn't consider the future city growth.
With Southern Pointe going to be voluntarily annexed, how is it going to be served without a new station? Not through Pebble Creek and then through the new subdivision, before finally reaching Southern Pointe. If it's too slow to go via Lakeway for the new subdivision, are there any other areas of CS that are served with the same or similar times? This is a typical Bryan Woods smokescreen, with most Council members not having the backbone to question him and demand answers.
I thought this one was dead, but if it's truly going to be resurrected, we're only 11 months aways from an election that will include three Council members (Smith, Wright and Nichols) that have not supported pushing back on this issue. With White and Yancy supporting PC, three new members make a majority. I think Shafer will also side with rational people on this issue. Not sure about McIlhaney.
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This is crazy. If the city manager wants this power (and he's not accountable to any voter) then run for council. I guess he wanted to pull a fast one during Christmas. It's time to vote people OUT! Starting with the mayor! Wright would be next.
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Hornbeck
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TAMU1990 said:

This is crazy. If the city manager wants this power (and he's not accountable to any voter) then run for council. I guess he wanted to pull a fast one during Christmas. It's time to vote people OUT! Starting with the mayor! Wright would be next.


Don't look now, but Wright is now mayor pro tem…
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Hornbeck said:

TAMU1990 said:

This is crazy. If the city manager wants this power (and he's not accountable to any voter) then run for council. I guess he wanted to pull a fast one during Christmas. It's time to vote people OUT! Starting with the mayor! Wright would be next.


Don't look now, but Wright is now mayor pro tem…


So did Nichols step down? Is he ill? Why did this happen?
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He's not the mayor. But last night Wright was elected the mayor pro tem, who stands in if something happens to the mayor.
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The trouble starts and ends with much much further "up river".

Everyone has to remember that COCS is controlled by a sole PAC. They have not had the best interest of taxpayers and citizens as a whole but rather ensuring continued control of council.

Without getting into names and/or titles it is important to remember the above. Council members are representatives. Meaning they represent who got them elected.

Until that log jam is cleared I would expect people to keep being disappointed with outcomes.

$10m's wasted
Failed central planning of our economy
Lack foresight of issues that are growing and preventing of issues in the future

I'm not blind or naive. Politics drives elections. But it should not blind those that seek to "lead" the city from ignoring glaring issues with some candidates with criminal records or hardly any real world management experience.

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Single member districts cater to special interests, period. Your vote affects only two of the seven Council members, with the other five getting carte blanche. Is the Council screwing your neighborhood? Yes, but your Council member isn't? Too bad, you have no say in the matter.
Single Member Districts have played a role in minority representation, but the lack of affordable housing has decimated our minority population, so there's little left to protect.
lwd78
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FYI, the City Manager can't run for Council, as he does not live within the city limits. Yes, that's a fact.
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I'm not sure if I posted this and it got deleted or I didn't post it yet.

I've felt that the Pebble Creek-as-throughfare option was pretty useless anyway as I believe it was just going to end at Highway 6 (Lakeway definitely so). Lakeway is also hampered by the Pebble Creek school zone.

But Pebble Creek is mostly wide enough in spots (except around Muirfield, and even then you could compromise) to make two lanes in each direction without much trouble, even a MUP. It's disappointing that Mr. Yancy is putting his own interests (a resident of Pebble Creek) ahead of his constituents (the city residents), but hey, that's politics for you.
Aggieland Proud
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You are wrong. Mr Yancy does not live in Pebble Creek.
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Aggieland Proud said:

You are wrong. Mr Yancy does not live in Pebble Creek.

According to his own post (link) he still owns property in Pebble Creek. I'm not sure what that entails, while I think that accusing him of having a second house in Pebble Creek would be presumptuous, there is a conflict of interest in his being against the expansion.
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What's your angle here?

I went to the council meeting where Pebble Creek homeowners came out in droves to speak out against this. I was one of the few non-Pebble Creek folks speaking out against it, but there were some. To portray him as the only person on council against this is incorrect. Wright voted against it. It was one of the things he promised in his campaign.

The council voted unanimously to not make it a thoroughfare. With the baseball complex going in, you will not need to push Pebble Creek Parkway through to Corporate, either.

The mayor was reluctant to agree, but eventually agreed.

He is being driven by the City Manager (IMHO), and the CM likes to rule with an iron fist until he gets his way.
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PS3D said:

I'm not sure if I posted this and it got deleted or I didn't post it yet.

I've felt that the Pebble Creek-as-throughfare option was pretty useless anyway as I believe it was just going to end at Highway 6 (Lakeway definitely so). Lakeway is also hampered by the Pebble Creek school zone.

But Pebble Creek is mostly wide enough in spots (except around Muirfield, and even then you could compromise) to make two lanes in each direction without much trouble, even a MUP. It's disappointing that Mr. Yancy is putting his own interests (a resident of Pebble Creek) ahead of his constituents (the city residents), but hey, that's politics for you.


By "his constituents", are you referring to the numerous folks who showed up to speak against it? Or the hundreds of folks who showed up in support of those speaking against it? It seems that Mr Yancy is doing exactly what an elected official should be doing……ya know, representing his constituents.
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Pebble Creek Parkway is not wide enough from Winged Foot/12th Man Circle down to just past Muirfield Village. A four lane with 200-300 yards of two lane is worthless. The city's head of planning told me, in writing, that it wasn't wide enough and that widening it was NOT recommended. Yes, they could wedge four lanes in there by taking out both bike lanes and sidewalks, but no one would go down that path. (Pun intended)
 
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