Texas velvet maestro said:

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I'm saying life isn't cheap. or shouldn't be. And ICE should learn from this to avoid putting themselves in harms way from a crazy woman behind the wheel of a car. and allowing to occur, a zero sum situation for the agent and the crazy lady.

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This is odd. You usually have a conservative posting history. I understand its upsetting when someone dies. A good person should be upset by these events. I am too:

Upset that someone is financing widespread leftest violence, uh I mean protest all over this country.

Upset that leftest are able to commit acts of violence and disruption throughout the country.

Upset that these communist are actively interfering with the constitution obligation of this administration to protect its people from illegal invaders that go out of their way to commit fraud, murder, rape on a near daily basis.

Upset that commie scum roam our streets

But I'm not upset that one of these scum bags finally F'edA&FO. '

But it's not about the law, it's about their ideology. The leftist DA will bring charges and a leftist jury will rule him guilty.

nortex97 said:

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Ship is of course great but anyone who just watches the video knows what she was doing, and that it was justified.

Let’s check the tape.

For more than 3 minutes the anti-ICE agitator impeded a law enforcement operation with her vehicle. https://t.co/o2Lb0SQIvS pic.twitter.com/CQ2nxP6UHE

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) January 11, 2026

And Homan made the point this am on the talk show circuit that it's precisely due to the lack of cooperation of such 'sanctuary for criminal illegal alien' cities that such enforcement operations have to happen anyway.

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And don't forget, she had pronouns in her profile. And she was married to a woman. And she was a self-proclaimed poet.

94chem said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ship is of course great but anyone who just watches the video knows what she was doing, and that it was justified.

And Homan made the point this am on the talk show circuit that it's precisely due to the lack of cooperation of such 'sanctuary for criminal illegal alien' cities that such enforcement operations have to happen anyway.

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And don't forget, she had pronouns in her profile. And she was married to a woman. And she was a self-proclaimed poet.

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And ANTIFA....or ANTIFA funded. Basically pure scum.

That doesn't matter what matters is she drove at a law enforcement officer and faced the consequences

Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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It was unnecessary in that Good shouldn't have been there and shouldn't have attempted to run over a federal LE officer. The officer was perfectly justified in killing her.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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I can respect that you have a unique perspective here on this in looking at the situation from a 'life is precious' standpoint.

But...

These are not children.

We expect "grown ass" women to know that decisions like Rene Good's will put them in an adversarial position with officers.

If such decisions are made with full knowledge of the potential outcomes, that they are looking to pick a fight with armed men, then there really is no tragedy here.

Rene showed up and picked a fight along with a dozen or so of her compatriots. She lost. She died a martyr for her cause.

If as you might possibly be suggesting, Rene wasn't not fully in her right mind, then there is another issue afoot that is beyond the realm of law enforcement and continuum of force.

This is something like a cultural breakdown where a large portion of females are being seduced into mania by toxic empathy.

We can't upend a legitimate law enforcement operation for such things. We can't shut down whole city blocks because a woman is having an episode.

If we stop daily activity for hundreds or thousands of people because there are other Rene Good's out there having a fit over something, then are these other people not victims of Rene's mania?

This isn't justified no matter how much respect we have for life.

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We are also a nation of laws. Regardless if you disagree with said law, if an enforcement officer of said laws orders you to stop, there's a requirement to follow those orders.

Deciding that your personal objection allows you to use deadly force to stop enforcement of law is just a stupid game that will win stupid prizes.

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We are a nation of laws and these protesters are wrong. They ARE NOT part of the solution.

I don't believe for a second that Good was trying to use lethal force; she freaked out and tried to get away so she didn't have to face the consequences.

I don't blame the agent for shooting in that situation. Good put herself in that situation so she gets the blame. The results are tragic for her and her family and the officer.

As the OP says, we value life in the west. Celebrating her death is wrong. Not saying you are, but too many people are.

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That doesn't matter what matters is she drove at a law enforcement officer and faced the consequences

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Yes it does matter! Jesse Watters told me it does!

https://people.com/jesse-watters-dismisses-renee-nicole-good-poet-pronouns-11881513

Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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did you say the exact same thing about Ashley Bobbitt when she was unarmed

and shot in the head by a law enforcement officer in the Capitol?

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

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Could have been avoided if she had simply complied with lawful orders. Instead, she FAFO'd. Oh well....

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My question is does an everyday civilian have the same protections to use lethal force against a driver, if under similar circumstances?

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Depends on a lot of different things.

What state are we talking about? Why is the everyday civilian standing in front of a running vehicle?

If everyday civilian is just strolling down the sidewalk minding their business and the driver attempts to run them over, here in Texas (well, most of it at least) it'll get billed as a justifiable homicide/self-defense.

If everyday civilian stepped in front of the vehicle to impede the driver's progress, everyday civilian is going to prison for murder since they escalated the situation, having no lawful reason to detain/impede the driver as they are not law enforcement.

It's an apples and oranges comparison. One is a federal LEO lawfully detaining someone who is actively interfering with LEOs enforcing the law. The other is a private citizen defending themselves. Being in fear of your life isn't going to cut it if you took action that created the circumstances that caused you to fear for your life.

I keep seeing some articles calling it the Good Shooting (her surname). The alternate meaning makes me chuckle. Maybe that name will stick.

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But it's not about the law, it's about their ideology. The leftist DA will bring charges and a leftist jury will rule him guilty.

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Yeah - so how does this work exactly? We have a fed officer doing his job in a state. If the state decides he has committed a state crime while doing his job (doesn't have to be shooting related), what prevents that state from effectively overriding federal authority by over zealously harassing fed employees with criminal charges based on their own state laws?

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Lathspell said:

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But it's not about the law, it's about their ideology. The leftist DA will bring charges and a leftist jury will rule him guilty.

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Yeah - so how does this work exactly? We have a fed officer doing his job in a state. If the state decides he has committed a state crime while doing his job (doesn't have to be shooting related), what prevents that state from effectively overriding federal authority by over zealously harassing fed employees with criminal charges based on their own state laws?

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Supremacy clause. Federal officer conducting federal law enforcement has immunity from state prosecution, in general. Here there is a federal statute that cuts the state out. That is why the MN state agency, Bureau of Criminal Apprehensions is being shut out of the investigation.

IOW the feds are cutting the state of MN out because they can.

But for the sake of argument, let's assume the state authorities are stupid enough to try to prosecute the officer (not a far leap since they are generally quite stupid) what would happen? The case would be removed to federal court under federal statute and DOJ kills it.

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javajaws said:

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Lathspell said:

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But it's not about the law, it's about their ideology. The leftist DA will bring charges and a leftist jury will rule him guilty.

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Yeah - so how does this work exactly? We have a fed officer doing his job in a state. If the state decides he has committed a state crime while doing his job (doesn't have to be shooting related), what prevents that state from effectively overriding federal authority by over zealously harassing fed employees with criminal charges based on their own state laws?

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Supremacy clause. Federal officer conducting federal law enforcement has immunity from state prosecution, in general. Here there is a federal statute that cuts the state out. That is why the MN state agency, Bureau of Criminal Apprehensions is being shut out of the investigation.

IOW the feds are cutting the state of MN out because they can.

But for the sake of argument, let's assume the state authorities are stupid enough to try to prosecute the officer (not a far leap since they are generally quite stupid) what would happen? The case would be removed to federal court under federal statute and DOJ kills it.

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Ah ok - so it would get moved to federal court. Under what grounds? Just the fact that person being prosecuted is a fed employee and it being related to his fed job?

no leftist ever mentions that Goode BACKED UP HER VEHICLE AND TURNED THE WHEELS TOWARD AN ICE AGENT

when you look at the actual video, there was ZERO reason for her to back up- she had plenty of room to just pull forward and leave the scene.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1442

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28 U.S. Code 1442 - Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted

(a)A civil action or criminal prosecution that is commenced in a State court and that is against or directed to any of the following may be removed by them to the district court of the United States for the district and division embracing the place wherein it is pending:
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The United States or any agency thereof or any officer (or any person acting under that officer) of the United States or of any agency thereof, in an official or individual capacity, for or relating to any act under color of such office or on account of any right, title or authority claimed under any Act of Congress for the apprehension or punishment of criminals or the collection of the revenue.

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Limp Bizkit, is that you?

I agree. Click click boom. Eventually the chamber is loaded. Of course this is exactly what the Democrat leadership is hoping for. They wanted an "innocent" citizen killed by ICE so they can attack Trump. Plain and simple and as clear as day to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

A dead person at the hands of ICE on video was the entire point of all of the democratic leadership's rhetoric inciting the NPCs. A dead person at the hands of ICE was the point of sanctuary cities playing by 1861 rules and ignoring federal authority. A dead person at the hands of ICE was the point of Soros et al funding these NPC and rent a mob protests.

The democrats are evil and transparently so.

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100% nail on head. The amount of money the Democrats are paying these radical left domestic terrorists is peanuts compared to the money they're bringing in after one of these 'events' happens. They want mayhem, it pays better.

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Ah ok - so it would get moved to federal court. Under what grounds? Just the fact that person being prosecuted is a fed employee and it being related to his fed job?

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Yes. Exactly. And that goes back to a Supreme Court case in the late 1800s. In Re Neagle.

LINK

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

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The ONLY reason this would be considered factual is if the person he is trying to apprehend is unreasonable and dangerous.

Thanks. You've just argued that he was not dealing with a "legal observer", or a "peaceful protestor". He was dealing with a radicalized ideologue who was a dangerous individual. He just didn't realize it yet.

Everything that happened afterwards was 100% on her. And to think, she could have just allowed herself to be arrested, and earned her Fonda/Sheen/Sarandon protest card to show at all the future leftist rallies... (sarcasm)

Texas velvet maestro said:

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Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

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What in the actual **** did I just read.

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nortex97 said:

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Ship is of course great but anyone who just watches the video knows what she was doing, and that it was justified.

Let’s check the tape.

For more than 3 minutes the anti-ICE agitator impeded a law enforcement operation with her vehicle. https://t.co/o2Lb0SQIvS pic.twitter.com/CQ2nxP6UHE

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) January 11, 2026

And Homan made the point this am on the talk show circuit that it's precisely due to the lack of cooperation of such 'sanctuary for criminal illegal alien' cities that such enforcement operations have to happen anyway.

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And don't forget, she had pronouns in her profile. And she was married to a woman. And she was a self-proclaimed poet.

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All MAJOR red flags. I can't take ANYONE with pronouns in their profile seriously. Demanding people refer to you a certain way in third person behind your back is one of the most ridiculously narcissistic and absurd things I have ever heard of. But for most, it's just virtue signaling flair to indicate you are "down with the tribe" (of psychos).

I do know some pretty cool right winged lesbians though.

FAFO....enjoy not existing.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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It was unnecessary in that Good shouldn't have been there and shouldn't have attempted to run over a federal LE officer. The officer was perfectly justified in killing her.

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Sounds better to justify ideology but as an officer and a human being you have a full recording of her vehicle and plates. So when she reverses take 1 step right and dont fire 3 bullets at her no harm no foul. Maybe charge her after if necessary. Killing her did not save his life .

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ts5641 said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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It was unnecessary in that Good shouldn't have been there and shouldn't have attempted to run over a federal LE officer. The officer was perfectly justified in killing her.

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Sounds better to justify ideology but as an officer and a human being you have a full recording of her vehicle and plates. So when she reverses take 1 step right and dont fire 3 bullets at her no harm no foul. Maybe charge her after if necessary. Killing her did not save his life .

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Hindsight is 20/20 and you have literally no way of knowing the bolded is true. They both made split second decisions and we'll never know her intent. We know his was self defense and we know she was crazy and disobeying lawful orders.

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Hindsight is 20/20 and you have literally no way of knowing the bolded is true. They both made split second decisions and we'll never know her intent. We know his was self defense and we know she was crazy and disobeying lawful orders.

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And hindsight plays no role in determining whether a use of lethal force is justified.

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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It was unnecessary in that Good shouldn't have been there and shouldn't have attempted to run over a federal LE officer. The officer was perfectly justified in killing her.

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Sounds better to justify ideology but as an officer and a human being you have a full recording of her vehicle and plates. So when she reverses take 1 step right and dont fire 3 bullets at her no harm no foul. Maybe charge her after if necessary. Killing her did not save his life .

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You have to know exactly the right time to move and exactly where to go, knowing what she was thinking at the exact time she is thinking it for that to make sense. Watch the video in real time and you see she didn't give him any reaction time to be able to get out of the way, even in hindsight.

nortex97 said:

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Ship is of course great but anyone who just watches the video knows what she was doing, and that it was justified.

Let’s check the tape.

For more than 3 minutes the anti-ICE agitator impeded a law enforcement operation with her vehicle. https://t.co/o2Lb0SQIvS pic.twitter.com/CQ2nxP6UHE

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) January 11, 2026

And Homan made the point this am on the talk show circuit that it's precisely due to the lack of cooperation of such 'sanctuary for criminal illegal alien' cities that such enforcement operations have to happen anyway.

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"due to the lack of cooperation of such 'sanctuary for criminal illegal alien' cities that such enforcement operations have to happen anyway."
Exactly, which then squarely places the blame for Goode's delusional behavior and death on Governor Walz, the Mayor.