Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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That characterization goes to the reasonableness of the action. But it is restricted to the officer's perception.

Excellent explanation of the law. I am glad that I took the time to read it.

It actually covers and discredits all of the arguments that the leftist are making using actual Supreme Court rulings.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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Wrong word (unnecessary). Unnecessary protest employing a SUV. Unnecessary Interference with a legitimate law enforcement situation. The shooting was tragic. Life is not cheap, however let us first apply that to unborn childern and then we can talk.

aggiehawg said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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That characterization goes to the reasonableness of the action. But it is restricted to the officer's perception.

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That is a short take in words, but I don't think I'm smart enough to grasp what you're saying.

My key impression of this event is more philosophical. Given the natures and marching orders of the participants on the ground nothing about what happened that day surprises me.

Now rather than the non participants seeking to establish guilt and innocence and making that the #1 priority, say, here for instance, we should be wanting it to never happen again.
The opposition has brainwashed, funded and weaponized our crazy aunt Karens to create martyrs and win influence. But these ladies are still human beings and Americans. Our leadership needs to step up and figure out ways to accomplish missions without killing these poor fools.
Standing in front of a car driven by a maniac with a hand on the gun is not how to do things safely.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

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When she backed up she put the officer in the front of the car. Stop lying.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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That characterization goes to the reasonableness of the action. But it is restricted to the officer's perception.

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That is a short take in words, but I don't think I'm smart enough to grasp what you're saying.

My key impression of this event is more philosophical. Given the natures and marching orders of the participants on the ground nothing about what happened that day surprises me.

Now rather than the non participants seeking to establish guilt and innocence and making that the #1 priority, say, here for instance, we should be wanting it to never happen again.
The opposition has brainwashed, funded and weaponized our crazy aunt Karens to create martyrs and win influence. But these ladies are still human beings and Americans. Our leadership needs to step up and figure out ways to accomplish missions without killing these poor fools.
Standing in front of a car driven by a maniac with a hand on the gun is not how to do things safely.

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Here is an idea: Minneapolis police does their job and handles crowd control while ICE does theirs and arrests illegal aliens!

Just crazy enough to work!

Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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The protestors are playing russian roulette

Spit in cops face. Click
Yells in cops face repeatedly. Click
Throws bottles at cops and cars. Click
Bumps and pushes cops. Click
Get behind wheel and trys to run over cop. Boom

It is that simple when you continue to spin the revolver and keep thinking nothing will happen she found out

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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That characterization goes to the reasonableness of the action. But it is restricted to the officer's perception.

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That is a short take in words, but I don't think I'm smart enough to grasp what you're saying.

My key impression of this event is more philosophical. Given the natures and marching orders of the participants on the ground nothing about what happened that day surprises me.

Now rather than the non participants seeking to establish guilt and innocence and making that the #1 priority, say, here for instance, we should be wanting it to never happen again.
The opposition has brainwashed, funded and weaponized our crazy aunt Karens to create martyrs and win influence. But these ladies are still human beings and Americans. Our leadership needs to step up and figure out ways to accomplish missions without killing these poor fools.
Standing in front of a car driven by a maniac with a hand on the gun is not how to do things safely.

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Here is an idea: Minneapolis police does their job and handles crowd control while ICE does theirs and arrests illegal aliens!

Just crazy enough to work!

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...and here is another challenge, the unfriendly city gov, that needs to be overcome. But we can do it. and it's worth doing.

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That is a short take in words, but I don't think I'm smart enough to grasp what you're saying.

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It is not rocket science. The legal analysis for excessive use of force by a law enforcement officer are not complicated.

Considering "the totality of the circumstances" would a "reasonable officer" perceive the threat presented as a "lethal or serious bodily injury" threat to be met with a "lethal" proportionate response.

Innocence (not an instigator)
Imminence (close in time)
Proportional (to the level of the threat being presented)
Reasonableness (under the totality of the circumstances)

Some states, such as MN have an extra element of a "duty to retreat" or "avoidance". But even the MN statute specifically does not apply to LEOs.

Limp Bizkit, is that you?

I agree. Click click boom. Eventually the chamber is loaded. Of course this is exactly what the Democrat leadership is hoping for. They wanted an "innocent" citizen killed by ICE so they can attack Trump. Plain and simple and as clear as day to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

A dead person at the hands of ICE on video was the entire point of all of the democratic leadership's rhetoric inciting the NPCs. A dead person at the hands of ICE was the point of sanctuary cities playing by 1861 rules and ignoring federal authority. A dead person at the hands of ICE was the point of Soros et al funding these NPC and rent a mob protests.

The democrats are evil and transparently so.

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Here is an idea: Minneapolis police does their job and handles crowd control while ICE does theirs and arrests illegal aliens!

Just crazy enough to work!

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So much this. ICE agents are present to arrest criminals. They are armed to confront the anticipated level of threat.

MPD on traffic control would use less lethal means to facilitate their mission. Enforcing other laws if they witness violations. Now if the play for those MPD becomes an imminent lethal threat, they will respond accordingly.

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...and here is another challenge, the unfriendly city gov, that needs to be overcome. But we can do it. and it's worth doing.

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Easy to say. Hard to do when the city government's goals are identical to those of the protesters.

This is who the mayor, governor and the activists in Minnesota are protecting and impeding officers from taking into custody.

BREAKING: ICE has provided @FoxNews a list of the most egregious criminal aliens they've arrested during their surge in the sanctuary state of Minnesota, & it's the most disturbing list I've ever seen, including numerous convicted child rapists/sodomizers & ten convicted killers,… pic.twitter.com/xukxfLd4gZ

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) January 10, 2026

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

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Your posts are nonstop gaslighting and lying. At least you are consistent.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

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Want to know what makes an idiot? Somebody who makes a statement of absolute fact when that statement is completely incorrect.

Your hitting streak continues. Well done.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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Democrats have identified a group of dimwits, misfits and outcasts looking for acceptance without regard to the consequences. These dimwits are disposable assets they care nothing about.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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That characterization goes to the reasonableness of the action. But it is restricted to the officer's perception.

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That is a short take in words, but I don't think I'm smart enough to grasp what you're saying.

My key impression of this event is more philosophical. Given the natures and marching orders of the participants on the ground nothing about what happened that day surprises me.

Now rather than the non participants seeking to establish guilt and innocence and making that the #1 priority, say, here for instance, we should be wanting it to never happen again.
The opposition has brainwashed, funded and weaponized our crazy aunt Karens to create martyrs and win influence. But these ladies are still human beings and Americans. Our leadership needs to step up and figure out ways to accomplish missions without killing these poor fools.
Standing in front of a car driven by a maniac with a hand on the gun is not how to do things safely.

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You seriously can't be this obtuse. You must be trolling. The cops surrounded the car exactly as they are trained to do. They told her to get out. THAT'S ALL SHE HAD TO DO. Instead her partner said "Drive baby Drive" and she gunned it. It's no different than a cop telling you to put down the deadly weapon, your partner telling you "Do it baby, do it" and you raising that weapon towards the officer. You would be shot and every single state in our country has laws that would justify the cop's actions

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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That is a short take in words, but I don't think I'm smart enough to grasp what you're saying.

My key impression of this event is more philosophical. Given the natures and marching orders of the participants on the ground nothing about what happened that day surprises me.

Now rather than the non participants seeking to establish guilt and innocence and making that the #1 priority, say, here for instance, we should be wanting it to never happen again.
The opposition has brainwashed, funded and weaponized our crazy aunt Karens to create martyrs and win influence. But these ladies are still human beings and Americans. Our leadership needs to step up and figure out ways to accomplish missions without killing these poor fools.
Standing in front of a car driven by a maniac with a hand on the gun is not how to do things safely.

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You seriously can't be this obtuse. You must be trolling. The cops surrounded the car exactly as they are trained to do. They told her to get out. THAT'S ALL SHE HAD TO DO. Instead her partner said "Drive baby Drive" and she gunned it. It's no different than a cop telling you to put down the deadly weapon, your partner telling you "Do it baby, do it" and you raising that weapon towards the officer. You would be shot and every single state in our country has laws that would justify the cop's actions

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Evidently.....he can.

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Aglaw97 said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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That is a short take in words, but I don't think I'm smart enough to grasp what you're saying.

My key impression of this event is more philosophical. Given the natures and marching orders of the participants on the ground nothing about what happened that day surprises me.

Now rather than the non participants seeking to establish guilt and innocence and making that the #1 priority, say, here for instance, we should be wanting it to never happen again.
The opposition has brainwashed, funded and weaponized our crazy aunt Karens to create martyrs and win influence. But these ladies are still human beings and Americans. Our leadership needs to step up and figure out ways to accomplish missions without killing these poor fools.
Standing in front of a car driven by a maniac with a hand on the gun is not how to do things safely.

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You seriously can't be this obtuse. You must be trolling. The cops surrounded the car exactly as they are trained to do. They told her to get out. THAT'S ALL SHE HAD TO DO. Instead her partner said "Drive baby Drive" and she gunned it. It's no different than a cop telling you to put down the deadly weapon, your partner telling you "Do it baby, do it" and you raising that weapon towards the officer. You would be shot and every single state in our country has laws that would justify the cop's actions

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Evidently.....he can.

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Which is exactly why this stuff continues to happen. When I grew up, nobody at all would be taking the side of the deceased. People used to understand that when the cop gave you an order, you followed it. If you didn't, your dumb ass deserved the consequences

The officer will most likely be able to explain shot 1 but shot 2 and 3 is what will cause him problems with civil lawsuit, i could be wrong.

"But he was, in fact, that obtuse."

/Morgan Freeman voice.

Liberals keep insisting she was just an innocent victim and did nothing wrong

It's their new "Hands up don't shoot"

Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

Burpelson said:

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The officer will most likely be able to explain shot 1 but shot 2 and 3 is what will cause him problems with civil lawsuit, i could be wrong.

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The fact that he didn't mag-dump will be key.

He didn't go overboard, actually. Seemed to restrain himself pretty well, honestly.


Someone tries that with a civilian and probably gets lit up with the requisite John Wick-esque mag toss/reload.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

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Good Lord....


"He should have shot the person in the leg, while doing a Mel Gibson Lethal Weapon roll out of the way."

Give me a break.

SHE. SHOULDN'T. HAVE. BEEN. THERE.

--full stop--


That not being the case, she shouldn't have tried to kill a person, cop or not.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

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He believed it was necessary to save his life. She is dead and he is alive. I am good with his decision.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

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Good grief……. No doubt he should have shot her hands on the steering wheel, too!

Texas velvet maestro said:

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Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

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Clark, come on you can't be serious.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

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The liberal mayor should not have told the local police to stand down, they are responsible for traffic enforcement. This is on Democrats

BigRobSA said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

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Good Lord....


"He should have shot the person in the leg, while doing a Mel Gibson Lethal Weapon roll out of the way."

Give me a break.

SHE. SHOULDN'T. HAVE. BEEN. THERE.

--full stop--


That not being the case, she shouldn't have tried to kill a person, cop or not.

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He's clearly trolling or is just that obtuse. Either way not worth engaging anymore

His initial statement will be key, its when the car is past him and hes extending arms to shoot 2nd and 3rd rounds that will be a problem for him civilly.

I'm saying life isn't cheap. or shouldn't be. And ICE should learn from this to avoid putting themselves in harms way from a crazy woman behind the wheel of a car. and allowing to occur, a zero sum situation for the agent and the crazy lady.

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His initial statement will be key, its when the car is past him and hes extending arms to shoot 2nd and 3rd rounds that will be a problem for him civilly.

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No it won't, if the first round is justified all the rest are, its established case law

Aglaw97 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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Her car should have been disabled. A big truck, a cable and a hook. dragged off the site. It shouldn't have been allowed there at all.
Whenever we can take our time to slow things down and lower the temp, we should. And the agents need to understand the insanity behind those liberal cat-lady smiles. training

ICE takes the L on this because they took the life of a crazy women. And the ones who created her got what they wanted. They're fine with the sacrifice. we shouldn't be though.

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Good Lord....


"He should have shot the person in the leg, while doing a Mel Gibson Lethal Weapon roll out of the way."

Give me a break.

SHE. SHOULDN'T. HAVE. BEEN. THERE.

--full stop--


That not being the case, she shouldn't have tried to kill a person, cop or not.

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He's clearly trolling or is just that obtuse. Either way not worth engaging anymore

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I'm not trolling one single bit. I'm just on the wrong thread apparently

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

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Your posts are nonstop gaslighting and lying. At least you are consistent.

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But the dopamine hit makes it SO hard to stop.