Minneapolis Is Not Even A Close Call

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9:34a, 1/11/26
Ship addresses every aspect of the shooting with case law to support it.

Long read, but very good.

If you want legal basis for any counter argument, this is it.

"Minneapolis Is Not Even A Close Call --A Lawsplainer On Officer-Involved Shootings

The only perspective that matters is the perspective of the Officer at the time he uses deadly force in response to a threat."


https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/minneapolis-is-not-even-a-close-call?r=gfi7k&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
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9:39a, 1/11/26
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Good explanation. 95% of the posters on this board don't really know what all ICE does or how their agents are hired.
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In reply to B-1 83 • 10:04a, 1/11/26
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Good explanation. 95% of the posters on this board don't really know what all ICE does or how their agents are hired.

They also deal with Customs issues, which few people hear about.
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In reply to B-1 83 • 10:07a, 1/11/26
I didn't know about the special agents aspect:

ICE has two sets of law enforcement personnel Special Agents who are criminal investigators, and deportation officers who process civil deportation cases. Special Agents are covered by GS-1811 series position with a general description of "criminal investigator." They are armed and possess police powers to investigate and make arrests for any crime committed in their presence, as well as for the enforcement of all crimes under Title 8 of the United States Code "Aliens and Nationality." Within their authority are crimes under Title 18 such as "conspiracy" and "obstruction" that intefere with their enforcement of the provisions of Title 8.
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10:13a, 1/11/26
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:18a, 1/11/26
Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified.

What relevance does necessity have to do with it?

She was in the process of committing a felony by driving a 4000 lb car towards a law enforcement officer. That's the only relevant fact.
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:18a, 1/11/26
It was legally justified. The deranged protestors you are advocating for want the officer convicted of murder. Stop acting like the response by the right to address the law is unnecessary and callous or creating an "excuse to kill them". Disgusting.
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:19a, 1/11/26
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Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

You can't just take away consequences of stupid behavior. Bad things happen when people do stupid things. If you coddle that, you just get more stupid behavior. In the case of interactions with law enforcement, stupid behavior is indistinguishable from malice in the moment. As soon as you tell law enforcement to just assume the perp is too dumb to comply with lawful orders, innocent cops will die.
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:19a, 1/11/26
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Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

Please tell me you are trolling. "The protestors are mentally deranged" and cars have become the equivalent of planes back in the day being used as killing machines. And yet a cop in a split second is supposed to just hope this woman speeds around him instead of over him? Good Lord some of you judge people in hindsight when nothing in the law does the equivalent. Yes life isn't cheap....maybe she should have thought of that before instigating the entire sad set of events.

This line of reasoning is exactly why this stuff happens. If a cop gives you an order, OBEY IT!. This never used to be controversial.
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:20a, 1/11/26
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We are also a nation of laws. Regardless if you disagree with said law, if an enforcement officer of said laws orders you to stop, there's a requirement to follow those orders.

Deciding that your personal objection allows you to use deadly force to stop enforcement of law is just a stupid game that will win stupid prizes.


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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:21a, 1/11/26
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Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

Another protected group? Liberal lunatic women. Seems that is always the answer to your side.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 10:21a, 1/11/26
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Ship is of course great but anyone who just watches the video knows what she was doing, and that it was justified.

And Homan made the point this am on the talk show circuit that it's precisely due to the lack of cooperation of such 'sanctuary for criminal illegal alien' cities that such enforcement operations have to happen anyway.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 10:24a, 1/11/26
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In reply to fc2112 • 10:27a, 1/11/26
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fc2112 said:
Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified.

What relevance does necessity have to do with it?

She was in the process of committing a felony by driving a 4000 lb car towards a law enforcement officer. That's the only relevant fact.


The "necessity" depends on whose boots (or Birkenstocks) you're in. Perhaps maestro meant to say unfortunate?
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In reply to Aglaw97 • 10:27a, 1/11/26
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Good Lord some of you judge people in hindsight when nothing in the law does the equivalent.

Under both Supreme Court precedent AND the MN statute, hindsight is specifically stated to not be a consideration in excessive use of force analysis. Juries are so instructed.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:29a, 1/11/26
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aggiehawg said:
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Good Lord some of you judge people in hindsight when nothing in the law does the equivalent.

Under both Supreme Court precedent AND the MN statute, hindsight is specifically stated to not be a consideration in excessive use of force analysis. Juries are so instructed.

Exactly. And rightfully so.
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10:32a, 1/11/26
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My question is does an everyday civilian have the same protections to use lethal force against a driver, if under similar circumstances?
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In reply to Logos Stick • 10:35a, 1/11/26
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They also work undercover all over the world. One of my golf partners is retired ICE and was often in Mexico and South America. He once was laughing about taking out the number 2 guy in some Mexican cartel the week before while we were on a tee box, and we all jokingly scattered. He's had his hotel room bugged in Bogota, and had to move his family to Houston for a year while he was somewhere in South America. He saw them twice that year, both times in Mexico,City.

He now works for Paxton, mainly stopping Mexican money laundering.

Edit: My former neighbor went from Texas DPS to ICE. He's also a former US Army Captain and M2 commander.
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:37a, 1/11/26
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Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.

The most "unnecessary " part was the stupid beotch being there in the first place defending illegal immigration and fighting federal law enforcement.
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In reply to B-1 83 • 10:41a, 1/11/26
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He now works for Paxton, mainly in Mexican money laundering.

Phrasing?
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:42a, 1/11/26
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Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.


Would you think differently if she first drug the officer for 100 feet? Then it would be okay to shoot? We'll never know because the officer chose to defend his life. I hope you and I are never in the position that he was put in.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:42a, 1/11/26
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Corrected!
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:43a, 1/11/26
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Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap.

Now do unborn babies in the USA who are aborted.
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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:46a, 1/11/26
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Texas velvet maestro said:
It was an unnecessary shooting even if it can be technically justified. Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap. like it is ****hole countries. The protesters are mentally deranged, but that needs to be taken into account instead of used as an excuse to hurt or kill them.



Imagine explaining this to the wives and families of these officers in general who watch them go out the door and wait for them to come back home…but especially when a good part of Democrats in office are actively engaged in winding up these broken toys and pointing them at your husbands seeking a great moment for "the cause".

To Hell with that.
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In reply to rocky the dog • 10:49a, 1/11/26
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rocky the dog said:
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Life in the USA isn't supposed to be cheap.

Now do unborn babies in the USA who are aborted.


Oh man, I really struggle with this one.

I want to say all life should be preserved under all situations.

Then I look at the people getting those abortions and struggle to care if they (the aborting parent) lived at all in the first place.

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In reply to Texas velvet maestro • 10:52a, 1/11/26
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Clean shoot.
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In reply to TX_COWDOC • 10:53a, 1/11/26
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Yes.

Edit. You may beat the rap….but you won't beat the ride.
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10:57a, 1/11/26
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The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 10:59a, 1/11/26
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DarkBrandon01 said:
The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

You left out the part where her vehicle struck the officer
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In reply to TX_COWDOC • 11:01a, 1/11/26
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TX_COWDOC said:
My question is does an everyday civilian have the same protections to use lethal force against a driver, if under similar circumstances?

Yes and no. Self defense assertions as to civilians vary by state. Much of the same principles remain, particularly the imminence and reasonableness of the action.

Some states have a duty to retreat for civilians, if possible, some do not. Some have stand your ground laws, some do not.
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In reply to Sid Farkas • 11:01a, 1/11/26
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Sid Farkas said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

You left out the part where her vehicle made contact with the officer

It only counts as hitting the officer when the tires are straight, don't you know... The legal term for that is... ... I got nuthin.
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In reply to Sid Farkas • 11:02a, 1/11/26
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Sid Farkas said:
DarkBrandon01 said:
The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

You left out the part where her vehicle struck the officer


And the part where, if you are close to the vehicle you can't actually see where the tires are pointing. Your only info point is that you were struck by the vehicle.
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11:02a, 1/11/26
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If Renee Good had been driving a Subaru (AWD) instead of a Honda Pilot (FWD), she would probably have run over the ICE agent and been able to escape. Just saying….

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In reply to Squadron7 • 11:05a, 1/11/26
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And the part where, if you are close to the vehicle you can't actually see where the tires are pointing. Your only info point is that you were struck by the vehicle.

But he can hear the tires spinning out on the ice and the engine revving.
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In reply to DarkBrandon01 • 11:10a, 1/11/26
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DarkBrandon01 said:
The officer put himself in harms way when he approached the vehicle from the front during an arrest. Police are supposed to approach from the SIDE.

Then, when Rene tried to drive away, she turned her steering to point her wheels AWAY from the officer, which is clearly visible from the officer's cellphone video.

The officer sees this and fires several shots anyway, and continues to shoot when he is at the side of the vehicle.

You cannot possibly be this obtuse. No.freaking.way.

Every single officer there that day placed themselves in harms way with the myriad of vehicles trying to interfere with them arresting law breakers. The stupid beotch refused lawful orders and PUT HERSELF IN HARMS WAY IN A SITUATION SHE HAD NO BUSINESS BEING IN.
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