Those guys dont count, because its (D) different. Or something like that.

GeeBee said:

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The post with the siren is misleading. DOW has the option to and is reviewing would be more accurate.

Nothing will happen as usual, it's all for show. So nothing will change since there are no consequences.

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Yep…….a nothing burger. Give false hope to those faithful who are baying for blood, knowing there isn't a prayer of anything happening. Sound familiar?

"orders are presumed lawful"

This is an unlawful statement.

flown-the-coop said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Investigated for telling people to follow the law?

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Except that is not what they did. There would be no point in that. Instead they unlawfully encouraged dissension in the military chain of command. That's not just illegal, it's extremely dangerous.

Lock em up, find them guilty, execute the punishment.

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I've only seen a few videos, but from what I've seen, they say to not follow unlawful orders. I didn't see where they said to hit follow all or any order.

Does someone have a clip that shows where they say to disobey lawful orders?

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Which there was no reason to create a video from one branch of government sowing dissension in the chain of military command and telling them to question orders.

One would have to be myopically ******ed to not understand what these guys were doing with that video.

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But did what they do illegal or against military law?

Any attorney with half a brain knows it's what can be proven, not what's "known"

Burpelson said:

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It will be interesting if they recall him, they will have to prove that he acted as a Capt of Navy when he said that one can refuse an illegal order, get out the popcorn.

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It's a Trump administration, the popcorn is always out.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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"orders are presumed lawful"

This is an unlawful statement.

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Not in the military. We are literally told that on the first day of basic training. The burden of proof for declaring a law unlawful is on the subordinate.

Teslag said:

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ETFan said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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Senator Mark Kelly in hot water after making the ICE video. I hope the rest of the dems in the video, get slapped around. They are nothing but traitors to our country.

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Kelly has more patriotism in his left pinky toe than 99% of this board or the entire Trump family (who never served).

This entire thing is a massive, embarrassing joke for Trump.

This will go the way of Comey if they peruse it.

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You do realize a significant number of Trump supporters on this board have served right?

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You'll notice I left room for that.

You think it's just 1%?

The TDS clown brigade has been out in force on here the last few days.

Teslag said:

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You think it's just 1%?

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Would you like to take this strawman somewhere else to beat up or what? Kelly served in the military, as an American astronaut, and as a senator. It doesn't get much more patriotic than that?

Do we have some of those on the board? Uh.. maybe.. thus the 1%.


Is this a joke?

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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The TDS clown brigade has been out in force on here the last few days.

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With the government shutdown back in October, the TDS clowns haven't been able to get their prescription drugs filled. By December, they should be back to " normal" or normal for a person with TDS.

TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Investigated for telling people to follow the law?

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Which unlawful order did Trump give the military?

When I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school, four space… pic.twitter.com/jMAlYEozQ6

— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 24, 2025

What an actual patriot looks like to all those who seem to have forgotten.

ETFan said:

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Teslag said:

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You think it's just 1%?

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Would you like to take this strawman somewhere else to beat up or what? Kelly served in the military, as an American astronaut, and as a senator. It doesn't get much more patriotic than that?



Do we have some of those on the board? Uh.. maybe.. thus the 1%.


Is this a joke?

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With that comparison, Hitler was patriotic. Served in WW1, was in politics, went to jail for his political beliefs. Became chancellor of Germany and then dictator.

No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Investigated for telling people to follow the law?

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Except that is not what they did. There would be no point in that. Instead they unlawfully encouraged dissension in the military chain of command. That's not just illegal, it's extremely dangerous.

Lock em up, find them guilty, execute the punishment.

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I've only seen a few videos, but from what I've seen, they say to not follow unlawful orders. I didn't see where they said to hit follow all or any order.

Does someone have a clip that shows where they say to disobey lawful orders?

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So all servicemen should individually evaluate each order given by the CIC to determine if they believe the order is lawful? That's not how it works.

this guy was a patriot at one time too:


was considered one of the best combat commanders in the Continental Army during the American Revolution. He earned significant praise and recognition for:

Major Achievements

• Capture of Fort Ticonderoga (1775)
  played a key role in the early victory, which brought crucial artillery to the Continental Army.
• Quebec Campaign (177576)
  Though the attack failed, his leadership and endurance during the brutal winter march earned him admiration.
• Battle of Valcour Island (1776)
  commanded an improvised naval force on Lake Champlain. He lost the battle but delayed the British advance, which many historians view as strategically brilliant.
• Saratoga Campaign (1777)
  instrumental in the American victory. Despite being technically relieved of command before the battle, he led a decisive attack that helped force British Gen. Burgoyne's surrender.
  Many officers credited him as the true hero of Saratoga.

Recognition

• He received multiple promotions, ultimately becoming Major General.
• George Washington and other leaders openly praised his battlefield skill.
• Several foreign observers and American officers considered him one of the top field commanders in the Continental Army.

ETFan said:

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When I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school, four space… pic.twitter.com/jMAlYEozQ6

— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 24, 2025

What an actual patriot looks like to all those who seem to have forgotten.

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Psycho Bunny said:

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ETFan said:

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Teslag said:

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You think it's just 1%?

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Would you like to take this strawman somewhere else to beat up or what? Kelly served in the military, as an American astronaut, and as a senator. It doesn't get much more patriotic than that?



Do we have some of those on the board? Uh.. maybe.. thus the 1%.


Is this a joke?

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With that comparison, Hitler was patriotic. Served in WW1, was in politics, went to jail for his political beliefs. Became chancellor of Germany and then dictator.

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yeah ok, sure. This is totally an honest comparison.


Good luck with this one lol.

EDIT: Oh look, even more ridiculous comparisons. Again, good luck with this.

Kelly is a seditionist piece of *****

Logos Stick said:

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this guy was a patriot at one time too:


was considered one of the best combat commanders in the Continental Army during the American Revolution. He earned significant praise and recognition for:

Major Achievements

• Capture of Fort Ticonderoga (1775)
  played a key role in the early victory, which brought crucial artillery to the Continental Army.
• Quebec Campaign (177576)
  Though the attack failed, his leadership and endurance during the brutal winter march earned him admiration.
• Battle of Valcour Island (1776)
  commanded an improvised naval force on Lake Champlain. He lost the battle but delayed the British advance, which many historians view as strategically brilliant.
• Saratoga Campaign (1777)
  instrumental in the American victory. Despite being technically relieved of command before the battle, he led a decisive attack that helped force British Gen. Burgoyne's surrender.
  Many officers credited him as the true hero of Saratoga.

Recognition

• He received multiple promotions, ultimately becoming Major General.
• George Washington and other leaders openly praised his battlefield skill.
• Several foreign observers and American officers considered him one of the top field commanders in the Continental Army.

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Isn't their a style of egg that has the same name as this dude. I think there is.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Kelly is a seditionist piece of *****

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- NEWSMAX told me so!

Benedict Arnold served, too.

ETFan said:

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When I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school, four space… pic.twitter.com/jMAlYEozQ6

— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 24, 2025

What an actual patriot looks like to all those who seem to have forgotten.

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And then he threw all that out the window when he encouraged servicemen to decide amongst themselves what orders are lawful or not, and if they determine (without a law degree in most cases) that an order is unlawful to disobey it.

That part is the part we're discussing. Stop pretending you don't know that.

ETFan said:

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Teslag said:

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You think it's just 1%?

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Would you like to take this strawman somewhere else to beat up or what? Kelly served in the military, as an American astronaut, and as a senator. It doesn't get much more patriotic than that?

Do we have some of those on the board? Uh.. maybe.. thus the 1%.


Is this a joke?

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Yes, you have rank and file combat veterans here. Some that were wounded. All more worth if the label of patriotism than a ****ing astronaut or senator.

ETFan said:

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EDIT: Oh look, even more ridiculous comparisons. Again, good luck with this.

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They are very good comparisons.

Patriots that turned into traitors and seditionists, just like Kelly.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Kelly is a seditionist piece of *****

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All of those who made that video are.

TexAgs91 said:

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ETFan said:

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When I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school, four space… pic.twitter.com/jMAlYEozQ6

— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 24, 2025

What an actual patriot looks like to all those who seem to have forgotten.

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And then he threw all that out the window when he encouraged servicemen to decide amongst themselves what orders are lawful or not, and if they determine (without a law degree in most cases) that an order is unlawful to disobey it.

That part is the part we're discussing. Stop pretending you don't know that.

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All of the liberals on here have refused to acknowledge what that video implied or why they made it. They all believe it was just an innocent little video reminding our troops to follow the constitution. Clowns. All of them.

ETFan said:

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When I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school, four space… pic.twitter.com/jMAlYEozQ6

— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 24, 2025

What an actual patriot looks like to all those who seem to have forgotten.

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Them he should know better how to act.

TexAgs91 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Investigated for telling people to follow the law?

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Except that is not what they did. There would be no point in that. Instead they unlawfully encouraged dissension in the military chain of command. That's not just illegal, it's extremely dangerous.

Lock em up, find them guilty, execute the punishment.

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I've only seen a few videos, but from what I've seen, they say to not follow unlawful orders. I didn't see where they said to hit follow all or any order.

Does someone have a clip that shows where they say to disobey lawful orders?

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So all servicemen should individually evaluate each order given by the CIC to determine if they believe the order is lawful? That's not how it works.

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Then it'll be very interesting to see what comes from all of this.

TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Investigated for telling people to follow the law?

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You missed the part where they claimed President Trump is ordering the military to attack American citizens?
ETA
Starting withe Senator Mark Kelly @ the 31 second point
Mark Kelly - " This Administration is pitting our uniformed military"
Elissa Slotkin - "and the intelligence community"
Jason Crow- "against American citizens"
then @the 42 second point
Chris Deluzio- "the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad"
Jason Crow- "but from right here at home"

You are wrong, they are explicitly saying this Administration, they are directly accusing President Trump's Administration of ordering our military into illegal, unconstitutional acts. They are lying and know they are lying.

This wasn't done to remind our military of its Code of Conduct but to enrage the minions in the MSM, the Democratic Party leadership and uniformed public to incite violence.

Who?mikejones! said:

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ETFan said:

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When I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school, four space… pic.twitter.com/jMAlYEozQ6

— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 24, 2025

What an actual patriot looks like to all those who seem to have forgotten.

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Them he should know better how to act.

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He does, you're all so partisan you can't even see straight at this point.

Nothing in their video was seditious or broke any laws. No matter how much man child yells at Hegseth to DO SOMETHING!

LMAO at: "recalled to active combat"

that is not a thing.

No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Investigated for telling people to follow the law?

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Except that is not what they did. There would be no point in that. Instead they unlawfully encouraged dissension in the military chain of command. That's not just illegal, it's extremely dangerous.

Lock em up, find them guilty, execute the punishment.

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I've only seen a few videos, but from what I've seen, they say to not follow unlawful orders. I didn't see where they said to hit follow all or any order.

Does someone have a clip that shows where they say to disobey lawful orders?

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Starting withe Senator Mark Kelly @ the 31 second point
Mark Kelly - " This Administration is pitting our uniformed military"
Elissa Slotkin - "and the intelligence community"
Jason Crow- "against American citizens"
then @the 42 second point
Chris Deluzio- "the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad"
Jason Crow- "but from right here at home"

You are wrong, they are explicitly saying this Administration, they are directly accusing President Trump's Administration of ordering our military into illegal, unconstitutional acts. They are lying and know they are lying.

This wasn't done to remind our military of its Code of Conduct but to enrage the minions in the MSM, the Democratic Party leadership and uniformed public to incite violence.

As a democrat, I'm not feeling particularly violent. If that was their goal, they suck at this.

TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Investigated for telling people to follow the law?

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You're right. A video saying "do not under any circumstances set fire to Sen Mark Kelly or punch him in the throat if you see him" is what saved his ass so many times. Those are the PSA's that save lives.

Liberals are childish idiots.