Ag with kids said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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HowdyTAMU said:

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Here is Trump's opportunity! He needs to fulfill his promise to terminate the changing of daylight savings time.

Next week we spring forward and start daylight savings time. Trump needs to sign an EO afterward to keep us on it.

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The country would not like this

What Happened the Last Time the U.S. Tried to Make Daylight Saving Time Permanent?

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For ten months in the mid-1970s, America's clocks sprang forward and never fell back.

Year-round daylight saving time (DST), signed into law by President Richard Nixon in January 1974, sought to maximize evening sunlight and, in doing so, help mitigate an ongoing national gas crisis. But while the experiment initially proved popular, with 79 percent of Americans expressing support for the change in December 1973, approval quickly plummeted, dropping to 42 percent by February 1974

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Ah yes, the US is exactly the same as it was 50 years ago...

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Hmmm, you raise a good point. I shouldn't assume the sun rises and sets in the 2020s the same as it did in the 1970s

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You also shouldn't assume that the people in the US are the same.

I guess the people in the US were the same in 1973 as they were in 1923, too...

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Which issues are you saying people had in the 70s that made permanent DST unpopular wouldn't be relevant today?

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In the dead of winter the sun setting at 630 as compared to 530 is IMO marginal but the sun coming up at 715 instead of 815 is significant

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Not in Houston....most years you can golf/play with children outside through the dead of winter just fine. December is often pleasant and sometimes warm.

I guess darkness in the morning doesn't bother me.

It's plenty warm throughout the winter to play golf

I just don't find that extra hour of daylight to be enough to do a whole lot with
Daylight til 8 pm is a different situation

VegasAg86 said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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infinity ag said:

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Where are we on this?

More talk and no real action?

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Where we are on this, is that Congress has to pass a law making daylight savings time permanent, or doing away with it altogether.

Or, your state can opt out of daylight savings time.

A state cannot adopt permanent daylight savings time

Executive order won't cut it because there is a statute on the books

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Yep. Nevada has a bill that will end DST and put us on permanent standard time, which will suck for Las Vegas. I can't imagine people being happy with a 4:25 sunrise and 7:00 sunset in June.

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It gets light around 530AM in Phoenix and stays light until 80m or so in the summer. I actually like it other than lawn crews and roofers start at 5.

jja79 said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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infinity ag said:

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Where are we on this?

More talk and no real action?

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Where we are on this, is that Congress has to pass a law making daylight savings time permanent, or doing away with it altogether.

Or, your state can opt out of daylight savings time.

A state cannot adopt permanent daylight savings time

Executive order won't cut it because there is a statute on the books

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Yep. Nevada has a bill that will end DST and put us on permanent standard time, which will suck for Las Vegas. I can't imagine people being happy with a 4:25 sunrise and 7:00 sunset in June.

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It gets light around 530AM in Phoenix and stays light until 80m or so in the summer in Phoenix. I actually like it other than lawn crews and roofers start at 5.

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Yep, we're the same as you in the summer. That's fine with me. Our 4:30 sunsets in winter are annoying.

Ok, maybe it's standard time yr round in several states but I know there are at least 2 that don't change .

Standard or daylight savings time year-round.

Permanent DST will make sunrise in Dallas on December 20 at 8:30 AM. So kids will have be in school a full hour before it gets light.

Think of it this way - shortest day of the year. Sun up from:

STD: 7:30 AM - 5:30 PM
DST: 8:30 AM - 6:30 PM

Longest day of the year. Sun up from

STD: 5:20 AM - 7:40 PM
DST: 6:20 AM - 8:40 PM

STD is preferable on short days - DST on long days - which is why we have that now.

So it really comes down to which is less agreeable - the STD in the summer or the DST in the winter? Personally, that 8:30 AM sunrise in the winter is a lot worse than the 5:20 AM sunrise in the summer.

Hell, I'm two miles into my daily 5 at that point.

fc2112 said:

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Permanent DST will make sunrise in Dallas on December 20 at 8:30 AM. So kids will have be in school a full hour before it gets light.

Think of it this way - shortest day of the year. Sun up from:

STD: 7:30 AM - 5:30 PM
DST: 8:30 AM - 6:30 PM

Longest day of the year. Sun up from

STD: 5:20 AM - 7:40 PM
DST: 6:20 AM - 8:40 PM

STD is preferable on short days - DST on long days - which is why we have that now.

So it really comes down to which is less agreeable - the STD in the summer or the DST in the winter? Personally, that 8:30 AM sunrise in the winter is a lot worse than the 5:20 AM sunrise in the summer.

Hell, I'm two miles into my daily 5 at that point.

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Haha. You 5am runners are outnumbered 10,000 to 1 by twilight golfers, youth baseball players, hs band members during Oct/Nov competition season, evening walkers and stroller pushers, etc

It'll be permanent "DST" or stay as is

Also, those times aren't universal, as you know

With permanent ST, people on the eastern edge of a time zone would experience very early sunset, even as early as October. Some as early as 4:30-4:45

That's too disruptive for fall sports, band, outdoor activities

Later sunset times in the warmer months are invaluable

So you're saying it's healthy to come in at dark and eat at 9:30-9:45? Then either go to bed ( certainly unhealthy) or stay up till midnight then go to bed?

TexAgs91 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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HowdyTAMU said:

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Here is Trump's opportunity! He needs to fulfill his promise to terminate the changing of daylight savings time.

Next week we spring forward and start daylight savings time. Trump needs to sign an EO afterward to keep us on it.

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The country would not like this

What Happened the Last Time the U.S. Tried to Make Daylight Saving Time Permanent?

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For ten months in the mid-1970s, America's clocks sprang forward and never fell back.

Year-round daylight saving time (DST), signed into law by President Richard Nixon in January 1974, sought to maximize evening sunlight and, in doing so, help mitigate an ongoing national gas crisis. But while the experiment initially proved popular, with 79 percent of Americans expressing support for the change in December 1973, approval quickly plummeted, dropping to 42 percent by February 1974

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Ah yes, the US is exactly the same as it was 50 years ago...

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Hmmm, you raise a good point. I shouldn't assume the sun rises and sets in the 2020s the same as it did in the 1970s

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You also shouldn't assume that the people in the US are the same.

I guess the people in the US were the same in 1973 as they were in 1923, too...

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Which issues are you saying people had in the 70s that made permanent DST unpopular wouldn't be relevant today?

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Lots of people work remotely today.

Lots of parents take their kids to school and don't stick them out at bus stops or make them walk.

The population was 26% rural in 1973 and only 17% now.

More kids homeschool today.

The population of the southern states has doubled in percentage of total population since 1973 while the northeast and midwest states have grown by only a few percent. Northeast and midwest states had the biggest issue with the early morning

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Permanent DST will make sunrise in Dallas on December 20 at 8:30 AM. So kids will have be in school a full hour before it gets light.

Think of it this way - shortest day of the year. Sun up from:

STD: 7:30 AM - 5:30 PM
DST: 8:30 AM - 6:30 PM

Longest day of the year. Sun up from

STD: 5:20 AM - 7:40 PM
DST: 6:20 AM - 8:40 PM

STD is preferable on short days - DST on long days - which is why we have that now.

So it really comes down to which is less agreeable - the STD in the summer or the DST in the winter? Personally, that 8:30 AM sunrise in the winter is a lot worse than the 5:20 AM sunrise in the summer.

Hell, I'm two miles into my daily 5 at that point.

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Lots of kids in athletics/extracurriculars have to be there long before it gets light even with the current setup.

My GF is a swim coach. She's starting practice before the sun comes up. I imagine there are other sports that do the same as well as band, etc.

BTW, DAWN and DUSK are the most dangerous times to be driving.

So, in the STD scenario there would be a lot of people driving to/from work during both those periods (+/- 30 min Sunrise/Sundown).

But, in the DST scenario, there will be fewer people driving during both those periods (+/- 30 min Sunrise/Sundown).

I don't care which time they choose. Just pick one and stick to it.

David_Puddy said:

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fc2112 said:

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jja79 said:

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Enjoy springing forward. I'm not doing it.

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I basically do not do it. I show up at work at 7:30 AM during standard time and 8:30 AM during DST.

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I'm sure your boss loves you

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He does, which is why he is OK with me doing it.

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fc2112 said:

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Permanent DST will make sunrise in Dallas on December 20 at 8:30 AM. So kids will have be in school a full hour before it gets light.

Think of it this way - shortest day of the year. Sun up from:

STD: 7:30 AM - 5:30 PM
DST: 8:30 AM - 6:30 PM

Longest day of the year. Sun up from

STD: 5:20 AM - 7:40 PM
DST: 6:20 AM - 8:40 PM

STD is preferable on short days - DST on long days - which is why we have that now.

So it really comes down to which is less agreeable - the STD in the summer or the DST in the winter? Personally, that 8:30 AM sunrise in the winter is a lot worse than the 5:20 AM sunrise in the summer.

Hell, I'm two miles into my daily 5 at that point.

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Haha. You 5am runners are outnumbered 10,000 to 1 by twilight golfers, youth baseball players, hs band members during Oct/Nov competition season, evening walkers and stroller pushers, etc

It'll be permanent "DST" or stay as is

Also, those times aren't universal, as you know

With permanent ST, people on the eastern edge of a time zone would experience very early sunset, even as early as October. Some as early as 4:30-4:45

That's too disruptive for fall sports, band, outdoor activities

Later sunset times in the warmer months are invaluable

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DST in the winter would have very detrimental health and productivity impacts on the nation as a whole. Worker productivity in many sectors would plummet and sick days would skyrocket.

The system we have now exists for a good reason.

fc2112 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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fc2112 said:

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jja79 said:

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Enjoy springing forward. I'm not doing it.

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I basically do not do it. I show up at work at 7:30 AM during standard time and 8:30 AM during DST.

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I'm sure your boss loves you

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He does, which is why he is OK with me doing it.

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Gaaaaaaay!

A couple of friends and I walk for 1 hour or so from 7-8 in the Morning. Leaving it at standard time will give us a 6:30 to 7:30 window which is much better. Just stay on standard time. DST takes several days to acclimatize too. Plus we've noticed fewer wrecks when people are going to work in the daylight.

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Ok, maybe it's standard time yr round in several states but I know there are at least 2 that don't change .

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Year round standard time in Arizona. I believe Hawaii also doesn't change.

Artimus Gordon said:

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A couple of friends and I walk for 1 hour or so from 7-8 in the Morning. Leaving it at standard time will give us a 6:30 to 7:30 window which is much better. Just stay on standard time. DST takes several days to acclimatize too. Plus we've noticed fewer wrecks when people are going to work in the daylight.

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What about those fewer wrecks when people are driving home in the daylight?

Keep in mind that a big chunk of Texas is effectively already on permanent DST due to the way timezones are drawn.

Ideal timezone map (borders at 82.5, 97.5, and 112.5 degrees west, adjusted to match county lines).



Actual timezone map.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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fc2112 said:

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Permanent DST will make sunrise in Dallas on December 20 at 8:30 AM. So kids will have be in school a full hour before it gets light.

Think of it this way - shortest day of the year. Sun up from:

STD: 7:30 AM - 5:30 PM
DST: 8:30 AM - 6:30 PM

Longest day of the year. Sun up from

STD: 5:20 AM - 7:40 PM
DST: 6:20 AM - 8:40 PM

STD is preferable on short days - DST on long days - which is why we have that now.

So it really comes down to which is less agreeable - the STD in the summer or the DST in the winter? Personally, that 8:30 AM sunrise in the winter is a lot worse than the 5:20 AM sunrise in the summer.

Hell, I'm two miles into my daily 5 at that point.

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Haha. You 5am runners are outnumbered 10,000 to 1 by twilight golfers, youth baseball players, hs band members during Oct/Nov competition season, evening walkers and stroller pushers, etc

It'll be permanent "DST" or stay as is

Also, those times aren't universal, as you know

With permanent ST, people on the eastern edge of a time zone would experience very early sunset, even as early as October. Some as early as 4:30-4:45

That's too disruptive for fall sports, band, outdoor activities

Later sunset times in the warmer months are invaluable

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DST in the winter would have very detrimental health and productivity impacts on the nation as a whole. Worker productivity in many sectors would plummet and sick days would skyrocket.

The system we have now exists for a good reason.

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I'm fine with the system we have now

I also don't believe year round DST would be the disaster you say it would

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HowdyTAMU said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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So you want an executive order to overturn a federal law? If that is the case, is there any law he can't overturn with an EO?

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EOs are so out of control now it really doesn't matter how he gets it done. Just make it happen.

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No. The grown ups need to start doing things the right way.

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While I agree with you that would require we have grown-ups in congress and the senate.

We're back!

The House and Senate should push hard for more Daylight at the end of a day. Very popular and, most importantly, no more changing of the clocks, a big inconvenience and, for our government, A VERY COSTLY EVENT!!! DJT

Donald Trump Truth Social 04/11/25 09:52 AM

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) April 11, 2025

Trump with the laser pointer to keep people talking about not particularly important topics

Im Gipper said:

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We're back!

The House and Senate should push hard for more Daylight at the end of a day. Very popular and, most importantly, no more changing of the clocks, a big inconvenience and, for our government, A VERY COSTLY EVENT!!! DJT

Donald Trump Truth Social 04/11/25 09:52 AM

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) April 11, 2025

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Cool. Now let's double back to China and those tariffs.

Longer & Brighter days!

🚨 JUST IN: President Trump announces legislation has ADVANCED to make PERMANENT Daylight Saving Time through the Sunshine Protection Act — and demands Congress make it LAW 🔥

No more time changes soon!

"This is so important in that Hundreds of Millions of Dollars are spent… pic.twitter.com/VBHfUBFeIz

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) May 21, 2026

Im Gipper said:

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Longer & Brighter days!

🚨 JUST IN: President Trump announces legislation has ADVANCED to make PERMANENT Daylight Saving Time through the Sunshine Protection Act — and demands Congress make it LAW 🔥

No more time changes soon!

"This is so important in that Hundreds of Millions of Dollars are spent… pic.twitter.com/VBHfUBFeIz

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) May 21, 2026

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Can anyone be against this? Of course the lefties will hate it now that Trump is for it.

We tried this once before back in the 70's during the oil supply crisis in an effort to reduce fuel consumption. It wasn't popular then due to the concerns around dark winter mornings and child safety.

From ChatGPT below:

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The experiment became very unpopular quickly:

• Dark winter mornings: Sunrise was pushed very late, so people (especially kids) went to school in darkness. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
• Safety concerns: Reports of accidents involving children heightened public backlash. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
• Weak energy savings: The expected reductions in energy use didn't really materialize.

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I was a child at the time and remember catching a school bus in the dark. I also recall my parents complaining about it. Maybe society today has a different view, maybe not. It will be interesting to watch this play out.

Should be all time standard time. Really isn't arguable, there's a reason it's called "standard".

Late tee times in the summer a little justification.

My personal preference is six months of each as opposed to th 8/4 now.

MemphisAg1 said:

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We tried this once before back in the 70's during the oil supply crisis in an effort to reduce fuel consumption. It wasn't popular then due to the concerns around dark winter mornings and child safety.

From ChatGPT below:

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The experiment became very unpopular quickly:

• Dark winter mornings: Sunrise was pushed very late, so people (especially kids) went to school in darkness. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
• Safety concerns: Reports of accidents involving children heightened public backlash. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
• Weak energy savings: The expected reductions in energy use didn't really materialize.

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I was a child at the time and remember catching a school bus in the dark. I also recall my parents complaining about it. Maybe society today has a different view, maybe not. It will be interesting to watch this play out.

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The children will die argument. Makes dark mornings so scary.

cecil77 said:

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Should be all time standard time. Really isn't arguable, there's a reason it's called "standard".

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Oh, it is very much arguable. That's why you're seeing the debate about it today, and apparently some political momentum to change it.

When I was younger I enjoyed the longer days. Now that I'm older and get up earlier, I enjoy the quiet early morning daylight before the rest of the world gets busy.

Because I'm an old fart now, I don't have any emotional energy in this one. You won't see me protesting in favor or in opposition to the change.

But that doesn't mean others won't argue it vigorously.

Im Gipper said:

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Longer & Brighter days!

🚨 JUST IN: President Trump announces legislation has ADVANCED to make PERMANENT Daylight Saving Time through the Sunshine Protection Act — and demands Congress make it LAW 🔥

No more time changes soon!

"This is so important in that Hundreds of Millions of Dollars are spent… pic.twitter.com/VBHfUBFeIz

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) May 21, 2026

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Of course he would want DST year round with all the golf courses he owns. . Why not standard time year round? There you have the liberal complaint. I hate the changing of clocks and would be happy with either one.

ts5641 said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Longer & Brighter days!

🚨 JUST IN: President Trump announces legislation has ADVANCED to make PERMANENT Daylight Saving Time through the Sunshine Protection Act — and demands Congress make it LAW 🔥

No more time changes soon!

"This is so important in that Hundreds of Millions of Dollars are spent… pic.twitter.com/VBHfUBFeIz

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) May 21, 2026

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Can anyone be against this? Of course the lefties will hate it now that Trump is for it.

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Thune will be against it now that he's effectively a Democrat and has massive TDS.

Otherwise, not really an issue I care much about anymore.

MemphisAg1 said:

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We tried this once before back in the 70's during the oil supply crisis in an effort to reduce fuel consumption. It wasn't popular then due to the concerns around dark winter mornings and child safety.

From ChatGPT below:

Quote:

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The experiment became very unpopular quickly:

• Dark winter mornings: Sunrise was pushed very late, so people (especially kids) went to school in darkness. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
• Safety concerns: Reports of accidents involving children heightened public backlash. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
• Weak energy savings: The expected reductions in energy use didn't really materialize.

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I was a child at the time and remember catching a school bus in the dark. I also recall my parents complaining about it. Maybe society today has a different view, maybe not. It will be interesting to watch this play out.

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the glow from all the kids' cell phones and tablets that they are glued to will help

It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.

Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.

The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.

The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.

Just go back to standard time and forget about it.