Sounds like having a home at both poles to spend half a year at each for ultimate daylight would be best case for some.

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but it REALLY sucks to go home in the dark and feel like you missed out on an entire day.

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Then move further south or further west in a time zone.

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I'm in S TX already...

I am NOT going to live in Browntown.

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Then it being dark after work isn't much an an issue now, is it?

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Well, it doesn't suck as bad as Browntown.

But, not much does...

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Sounds like having a home at both poles to spend half a year at each for ultimate daylight would be best case for some.

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Cold SUCKS...about as much as Browntown.

No, the day is not longer. And you'll feel better if you got up with me at 5 AM and ran 5 miles

5 at 5

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No, the day is not longer. And you'll feel better if you got up with me at 5 AM and ran 5 miles

5 at 5

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a) I would feel like **** getting up at 0500
b) I would feel worse after 5 miles.



Are you doing this so that your day can't get any worse?

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Sounds like having a home at both poles to spend half a year at each for ultimate daylight would be best case for some.

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Cold SUCKS...about as much as Browntown.

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Our city has a name, San AntMexico!

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No, the day is not longer. And you'll feel better if you got up with me at 5 AM and ran 5 miles

5 at 5

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I'm in the pool by 0630 for an hour long workout.

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Well, it's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho…

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No, the day is not longer. And you'll feel better if you got up with me at 5 AM and ran 5 miles

5 at 5

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I appreciate the offer, but hell no. Screw that.

It's beautiful out on my back patio right now, and still light out at 9:10pm. Ill take this over your crazy idea of fun anyday.

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Well, it's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho…

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Add an hour, my friend. We're on mountain time zone.

And in response to the previous comment, it's how north you are that matters, not just west or east. Hence why our days are so damn short and dark (and depressing, especially after the stupid ass time change that makes it worse) in the winter, but like 20 hours of daylight in the summer. Pretty simple.

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Well, it's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho…

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Add an hour, my friend. We're on mountain time zone.

And in response to the previous comment, it's how north you are that matters, not just west or east. Hence why our days are so damn short and dark (and depressing, especially after the stupid ass time change that makes it worse) in the winter, but like 20 hours of daylight in the summer. Pretty simple.

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If being north was all that mattered, why is sunset tonight in Cheyenne 8:20, in Pocotello it's 8:50 and in Boise it's 9:15? Believe me, if you think Boise's winters are depressing, try living along the Front Range of Colorado. Go to work in the dark, come home in the dark. Every day for months.

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Well, it's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho…

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Add an hour, my friend. We're on mountain time zone.

And in response to the previous comment, it's how north you are that matters, not just west or east. Hence why our days are so damn short and dark (and depressing, especially after the stupid ass time change that makes it worse) in the winter, but like 20 hours of daylight in the summer. Pretty simple.

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It's a Lynyrd Skynyrd song

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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slaughtr said:

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Well, it's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho…

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Add an hour, my friend. We're on mountain time zone.

And in response to the previous comment, it's how north you are that matters, not just west or east. Hence why our days are so damn short and dark (and depressing, especially after the stupid ass time change that makes it worse) in the winter, but like 20 hours of daylight in the summer. Pretty simple.

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If being north was all that mattered, why is sunset tonight in Cheyenne 8:20, in Pocotello it's 8:50 and in Boise it's 9:15? Believe me, if you think Boise's winters are depressing, try living along the Front Range of Colorado. Go to work in the dark, come home in the dark. Every day for months.

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LOL

You want truly depressing? Alaska during the winter. Walk to school in the dark, walk home in the dark.

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slaughtr said:

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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slaughtr said:

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Well, it's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho…

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Add an hour, my friend. We're on mountain time zone.

And in response to the previous comment, it's how north you are that matters, not just west or east. Hence why our days are so damn short and dark (and depressing, especially after the stupid ass time change that makes it worse) in the winter, but like 20 hours of daylight in the summer. Pretty simple.

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If being north was all that mattered, why is sunset tonight in Cheyenne 8:20, in Pocotello it's 8:50 and in Boise it's 9:15? Believe me, if you think Boise's winters are depressing, try living along the Front Range of Colorado. Go to work in the dark, come home in the dark. Every day for months.

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LOL

You want truly depressing? Alaska during the winter. Walk to school in the dark, walk home in the dark.

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I bet. I'd hate it if

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It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.

Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.

The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.

The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.

Just go back to standard time and forget about it.

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Looks like reasonable sunrise times barely change between what we have now and if we were 100% DST

BUT, we get a LOT more sunlight in the evening.

I vote for that...

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The premise of the map is faulty. Choosing an 11 hour period instead of 12. Change "reasonable" sunrise to 6AM and it would look very different. Full time DST sucks big time. Horrible, and I live in Texas. If I lived in the northern tier I'd hate it even more. Heck IF we have DST it should be for six months instead of eight. The entire premise is faulty as it's never saved any energy.

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Sunrise at 6am is NOT reasonable -- not for the VAST majority of folks. Maybe for you, but you have to admit when you're in the minority (as I am on a few things; sucks, but that is what it is).

Saving energy was ONE reason for it but was never the only one and not the reason it has been repeatedly extended. People like more USABLE daylight. The energy stuff is a total red herring as we live in a different age of energy usage than we did in the '70s. Unlike then, lighting our house now costs virtually nothing (at least for an extra hour in the evening) and we keep computers, TVs, and ACs (also far more efficient) on 24/7. A lot of folks did not run their AC at times.

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It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.

Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.

The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.

The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.

Just go back to standard time and forget about it.

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Looks like reasonable sunrise times barely change between what we have now and if we were 100% DST

BUT, we get a LOT more sunlight in the evening.

I vote for that...

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The premise of the map is faulty. Choosing an 11 hour period instead of 12. Change "reasonable" sunrise to 6AM and it would look very different. Full time DST sucks big time. Horrible, and I live in Texas. If I lived in the northern tier I'd hate it even more. Heck IF we have DST it should be for six months instead of eight. The entire premise is faulty as it's never saved any energy.

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Sunrise at 6am is NOT reasonable -- not for the VAST majority of folks. Maybe for you, but you have to admit when you're in the minority (as I am on a few things; sucks, but that is what it is).

Saving energy was ONE reason for it but was never the only one and not the reason it has been repeatedly extended. People like more USABLE daylight. The energy stuff is a total red herring as we live in a different age of energy usage than we did in the '70s. Unlike then, lighting our house now costs virtually nothing (at least for an extra hour in the evening) and we keep computers, TVs, and ACs (also far more efficient) on 24/7. A lot of folks did not run their AC at times.

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Fine then keep the 7AM sunrise but change to 7PM sunset. The point is make a 12 hour gap. An 11 hour gap forces the conclusion desired by the creator of the graphic.

And honestly, any thing much after 7AM for sunrise rapidly gets into "unreasonable" for the purposes of this analysis.

Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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You evil "morning people" are a SCOURGE

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I think it's a RGV thing because I'm just like my Tio and Primo there

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Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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Got new for you, if you arise at "7AM" during DST you're really arising at 6AM. It's all a mind game. Just leave standard and you get up when you want to. (I know this is a symmetrical issue, but standard time was defined ling ago and is.. well.. standard.

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Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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You evil "morning people" are a SCOURGE

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Got new for you, if you arise at "7AM" during DST you're really arising at 6AM. It's all a mind game. Just leave standard and you get up when you want to. (I know this is a symmetrical issue, but standard time was defined ling ago and is.. well.. standard.

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Well, considering the "time zone" is just a completely made-up construct, not really, because we make up that it's DST during 8 months of the year and then make up that it's ST during the other 4. So, I'm always getting up at 7 AM in the completely made-up CURRENT time zone construct.

Hell, why are there time zones? Because the railroads needed to be able to standardize their schedules.

Prior to that, noon was when the sun was overhead everywhere. THAT was the OG "standard time".

BTW, the big problem with your suggestion is that JOBS follow the time standard even if I didn't want to...

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cecil77 said:

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RGV AG said:

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Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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You evil "morning people" are a SCOURGE

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Got new for you, if you arise at "7AM" during DST you're really arising at 6AM. It's all a mind game. Just leave standard and you get up when you want to. (I know this is a symmetrical issue, but standard time was defined ling ago and is.. well.. standard.

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Well, considering the "time zone" is just a completely made-up construct, not really, because we make up that it's DST during 8 months of the year and then make up that it's ST during the other 4. So, I'm always getting up at 7 AM in the completely made-up CURRENT time zone construct.

Hell, why are there time zones? Because the railroads needed to be able to standardize their schedules.

Prior to that, noon was when the sun was overhead everywhere. THAT was the OG "standard time".

BTW, the big problem with your suggestion is that JOBS follow the time standard even if I didn't want to...

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I'd like to go back to noon being when the sun is at its zenith in your location.

With modern cell phones, that would present no trouble at all.

If the Aggie game starts at 3 pm in Aggieland, it would be no problem for a cell phone to translate that o your local time so that you can enjoy the game.

Time zones were just a work around for the railroads. We no longer need them.

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cecil77 said:

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RGV AG said:

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Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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You evil "morning people" are a SCOURGE

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Got new for you, if you arise at "7AM" during DST you're really arising at 6AM. It's all a mind game. Just leave standard and you get up when you want to. (I know this is a symmetrical issue, but standard time was defined ling ago and is.. well.. standard.

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Well, considering the "time zone" is just a completely made-up construct, not really, because we make up that it's DST during 8 months of the year and then make up that it's ST during the other 4. So, I'm always getting up at 7 AM in the completely made-up CURRENT time zone construct.

Hell, why are there time zones? Because the railroads needed to be able to standardize their schedules.

Prior to that, noon was when the sun was overhead everywhere. THAT was the OG "standard time".

BTW, the big problem with your suggestion is that JOBS follow the time standard even if I didn't want to...

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I'd like to go back to noon being when the sun is at its zenith in your location.

With modern cell phones, that would present no trouble at all.

If the Aggie game starts at 3 pm in Aggieland, it would be no problem for a cell phone to translate that o your local time so that you can enjoy the game.

Time zones were just a work around for the railroads. We no longer need them.

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Well...perhaps.

But, I do meetings with people from all over the world. How do you let them know exactly what time the meeting is?

Or, I want to meet up with a friend in Coppell. My friend is in west Fort Worth and I'm in Rockwall. How do we sync up those times?

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BTW, the big problem with your suggestion is that JOBS follow the time standard even if I didn't want to...

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My job doesn't. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

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My job doesn't. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

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I'm waiting to join you in that industry soon.

However, my job then will allow me to wake up after the sun comes up and then have a nice, long sunny evening.

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I'd like to go back to noon being when the sun is at its zenith in your location.

With modern cell phones, that would present no trouble at all.

If the Aggie game starts at 3 pm in Aggieland, it would be no problem for a cell phone to translate that o your local time so that you can enjoy the game.

Time zones were just a work around for the railroads. We no longer need them.

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One of the reasons I prefer year round standard time is because it is closer to this standard. Solar noon today in Arlington is 1:25 PM. Even on standard time, solar noon would be 12:25 PM. That's how far west we are in the Central Time Zone.

But alas, having Dallas be two minutes ahead of Fort Worth would be a mess.

A compromise would be to go to natural time zones as was posted above



Or even seven or eight time sones that got all of each time zone's noon within 15 minutes of the actual solar noon.

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Having spent the majority of my life in places/countries that don't, or didn't up until recently, observe DST, I can say I really prefer regular time.

Always found it interesting in parts of LatAm where there was no DST how much more activity there was between say about 6am and 8am as compared to the US. On a personal level I have always preferred that. Got used to starting work at 6:00-6:30am and enjoyed being done with the work day by about 3-3:30pm.

Like Don Cecilio, I don't care for it much, but coule tolerate it for 6 months or so. Too long now.

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You evil "morning people" are a SCOURGE

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Got new for you, if you arise at "7AM" during DST you're really arising at 6AM. It's all a mind game. Just leave standard and you get up when you want to. (I know this is a symmetrical issue, but standard time was defined ling ago and is.. well.. standard.

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Well, considering the "time zone" is just a completely made-up construct, not really, because we make up that it's DST during 8 months of the year and then make up that it's ST during the other 4. So, I'm always getting up at 7 AM in the completely made-up CURRENT time zone construct.

Hell, why are there time zones? Because the railroads needed to be able to standardize their schedules.

Prior to that, noon was when the sun was overhead everywhere. THAT was the OG "standard time".

BTW, the big problem with your suggestion is that JOBS follow the time standard even if I didn't want to...

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I'd like to go back to noon being when the sun is at its zenith in your location.

With modern cell phones, that would present no trouble at all.

If the Aggie game starts at 3 pm in Aggieland, it would be no problem for a cell phone to translate that o your local time so that you can enjoy the game.

Time zones were just a work around for the railroads. We no longer need them.

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Well...perhaps.

But, I do meetings with people from all over the world. How do you let them know exactly what time the meeting is?

Or, I want to meet up with a friend in Coppell. My friend is in west Fort Worth and I'm in Rockwall. How do we sync up those times?

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Modern electronics can easily make the calculations.

The more interesting thing that in one location, solar noon is not the same time CST. The further north you go, the bigger difference. In more northern latitudes, the difference can be as much as 15 minutes between, say, Jan 1 and Mar 1.

Note also that the length of the day is not a constant.