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In reply to AGC • 12:25p, 4/8/26
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"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

So its sexist and ****ty to acknowledge men and women work and think differently? Granted, he hasn't presented any facts to back up his theory - buts its plausible given that men and women (in general) do not think/work in exactly the same way or with the same motivations.


He's not saying men and women think differently. He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it.


That's literally what he's saying based on the tweet. Guys look at Star Wars at a basic level, women take a different view and change characters.

Lol. Yes, and I'm not sure why this is remotely controversial. It's basic wiring. We are simple dumb creatures that can think linearly or not at all, if we need to. Women...not so much.
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In reply to AGC • 12:25p, 4/8/26
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AGC said:
schmendeler said:
javajaws said:
schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

So its sexist and ****ty to acknowledge men and women work and think differently? Granted, he hasn't presented any facts to back up his theory - buts its plausible given that men and women (in general) do not think/work in exactly the same way or with the same motivations.


He's not saying men and women think differently. He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it.


That's literally what he's saying based on the tweet. Guys look at Star Wars at a basic level, women take a different view and change characters.


I'm glad you are keeping up
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In reply to YouBet • 12:26p, 4/8/26
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YouBet said:
AGC said:
schmendeler said:
javajaws said:
schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

So its sexist and ****ty to acknowledge men and women work and think differently? Granted, he hasn't presented any facts to back up his theory - buts its plausible given that men and women (in general) do not think/work in exactly the same way or with the same motivations.


He's not saying men and women think differently. He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it.


That's literally what he's saying based on the tweet. Guys look at Star Wars at a basic level, women take a different view and change characters.

Lol. Yes, and I'm not sure why this is remotely controversial. It's basic wiring. We are simple dumb creatures that can think linearly or not at all, if we need to. Women...not so much.


Gosh those stupid dames
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In reply to schmendeler • 12:30p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
YouBet said:
AGC said:
schmendeler said:
javajaws said:
schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

So its sexist and ****ty to acknowledge men and women work and think differently? Granted, he hasn't presented any facts to back up his theory - buts its plausible given that men and women (in general) do not think/work in exactly the same way or with the same motivations.


He's not saying men and women think differently. He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it.


That's literally what he's saying based on the tweet. Guys look at Star Wars at a basic level, women take a different view and change characters.

Lol. Yes, and I'm not sure why this is remotely controversial. It's basic wiring. We are simple dumb creatures that can think linearly or not at all, if we need to. Women...not so much.


Gosh those stupid dames

Not at all what I'm saying. It's simply different biological wiring.

Have you met women?
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In reply to schmendeler • 12:41p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
AGC said:
schmendeler said:
javajaws said:
schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

So its sexist and ****ty to acknowledge men and women work and think differently? Granted, he hasn't presented any facts to back up his theory - buts its plausible given that men and women (in general) do not think/work in exactly the same way or with the same motivations.


He's not saying men and women think differently. He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it.


That's literally what he's saying based on the tweet. Guys look at Star Wars at a basic level, women take a different view and change characters.


I'm glad you are keeping up


I wish you were. But you might value diverse casts ala redstone, and think that's the true measure of movie success…
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1:01p, 4/8/26
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DEI is just institutional implementation of modern feminism. The fact that it keeps finding a way into cinema makes a lot more sense when seen through this frame.
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In reply to schmendeler • 1:11p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

If that is sexism, then we need ALOT more sexism.
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1:18p, 4/8/26
I think "wokeness" is thinly veiled laziness. Destructionist ideations of those masquerading as virtuous. I remember my dad telling me when he was pursuing post-graduate studies in English Lit, how everyone wanted to put their "spin" on Shakespeare or other historical greats. Instead of crafting a compelling and original piece of work themselves, they were - to quote him, just tap-dancing on a pin head to justify their degrees.

Hollywood doesn't have any good ideas. They just don't. Any semblance of originality is beaten and massaged away by countless executives that need to be able to say they put their stamp on the film.

They also cost too damn much, so you can't take risks. Take chances. Streaming offers more opportunities, with less oversight, and more freedom to make shows like Tires with Shane Gillis. Rogan asked him how much Netflix was up his butt when making, and he said basically zero. They can take a portfolio-approach and allow for shows like this. If they fail, there are dozens more making buckets of money to offset losses. Or the Tom Brady roast. THE most watched show on Netflix ever.

Studio execs are corporate vampires, sucking the life and soul out of good ideas, and are too cowardly to support anything that could cost them their job.
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In reply to schmendeler • 2:44p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
javajaws said:
schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

So its sexist and ****ty to acknowledge men and women work and think differently? Granted, he hasn't presented any facts to back up his theory - buts its plausible given that men and women (in general) do not think/work in exactly the same way or with the same motivations.


He's not saying men and women think differently. He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it.

He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it BECAUSE of how men and women think differently.

He literally gave an example of men and women thinking differently - did you read it? Did you comprehend it? It sure doesn't sound like it.

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Listen, I've worked with a ton of amazing development executives. But, you know, guys, when they think about something like Star Wars, they think about it in the most basic terms, which is kind of what guys want, the sort of Joseph Cambellesque adventure with heroes and villains, and the guy gets the girl. All the simple stuff.

A woman will generally say, 'I'm going to fix this guy. I'm going to change him.' And so they're taking this IP and they're completely rejiggering it in a way that they think works.

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5:01p, 4/8/26
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The crux of the issue is executives (MOSTLY female) decided that a genre like sci-fi which was traditionally consumed by males (roughly 70% sometimes higher) should now suddenly pivot and target female audiences.

You can almost hear the elevator pitch "you're ignoring half the ticket buying population by focusing on male archetypical stories, why not inject more female centric stories to attract that audience."

The problem obviously is most females don't give a s*it about sci-fi so you're pandering to a non-existent audience and alienating your built-in male audience.

Just galactically stupid and now here we are.
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5:09p, 4/8/26
Say what you what, wokeness and DEI definitely killed the star trek franchise. Discovery was bad and Fleet Academy was the nail in the coffin so to speak.

Who in their right mind thought that it was a good idea to put a Klingon in a dress and make a female Jem'Hadar.
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
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In reply to The Ex Officio Director • 5:24p, 4/8/26
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Say what you what, wokeness and DEI definitely killed the star trek franchise. Discovery was bad and Fleet Academy was the nail in the coffin so to speak.

Who in their right mind that it was a good idea to put a Klingon in a dress and make a female Jem'Hadar.

I think it's killed a lot of IP not only because it turned off a lot of the traditional male audience but because now as a writer your job isn't just to come up with a compelling story, it's now your responsibility to inject DEI and wokeness into that story. That takes up VAULABLE cycles that could be devoted to shaping up and polishing your script to make it really sing.

The other problem is unless you're VERY talented and creative you're hamstrung with having to inject a gay-centric or a racial discrimination plot into your story and usually those are very tired and trite tropes so it slows down the story.

Don't get me wrong, you can write a very compelling gay-centric or racial discrimination story and be successful. Get Out is a great example of the latter. The problem is when the poor writer has to shoe horn it into a story where it really doesn't make sense and stands out like a sore thumb.

TLDR - just let writers focus on the f***ing story.
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In reply to schmendeler • 8:36p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
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"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

Theirs a Disney exec that is a disgusting parent and human.
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11:11p, 4/8/26
The kind of stuff that will save the movie industry. It's this mentality the industry needs to embrace at every opportunity.
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