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At some point relatively soon, if not already, the onus is going to be on the skeptics having to explain why highly credible official after highly credible official has - and continues - to come forward with story after story of our government being in possession of exotic, highly advanced craft almost assuredly not made by man.

We're to the point where it's damn near impossible that all of these officials are involved in a coordinated lie.

So either...

A) some of the smartest and most trustworthy scientists and government officials are all somehow being duped by the most elaborate psyop in the history of our country, which would be a massive story in and of itself...

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B) an advanced interstellar/inter-dimensional intelligence is among us, and likely has been for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years.

Those are your two options.

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Counterpoint: at some point, the onus is on the people making the extraordinary claims to actually provide some compelling evidence. You can't just ignore that side of it.

I eagerly do think that it's an awesome sign that so many credentialed people are sort of talking, but they need to act quickly or else the allies they do have in the government will fall away. Everything has a shelf life. Getting enough important people in the government to a place of willingness to explore this is one of those things. They have some allies now, but I still contend that they better produce something soon or else they will be once again relegated to mockery and road blocks and any hope of disclosure will disappear.

And this isn't me arguing with you that this is all fake. This is merely analysis of how this clown show is proceeding. I still don't buy the "they are risking their life" side of it. They would be freaking heroes if they produced something. It would be the biggest story of all time. Again I say there are some logical troubles that crop up when really analyzing why we don't have "proof" of anything yet.

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TCTTS said:

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At some point relatively soon, if not already, the onus is going to be on the skeptics having to explain why highly credible official after highly credible official has - and continues - to come forward with story after story of our government being in possession of exotic, highly advanced craft almost assuredly not made by man.

We're to the point where it's damn near impossible that all of these officials are involved in a coordinated lie.

So either...

A) some of the smartest and most trustworthy scientists and government officials are all somehow being duped by the most elaborate psyop in the history of our country, which would be a massive story in and of itself...

- or -

B) an advanced interstellar/inter-dimensional intelligence is among us, and likely has been for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years.

Those are your two options.

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Counterpoint: at some point, the onus is on the people making the extraordinary claims to actually provide some compelling evidence. You can't just ignore that side of it.

I eagerly do think that it's an awesome sign that so many credentialed people are sort of talking, but they need to act quickly or else the allies they do have in the government will fall away. Everything has a shelf life. Getting enough important people in the government to a place of willingness to explore this is one of those things. They have some allies now, but I still contend that they better produce something soon or else they will be once again relegated to mockery and road blocks and any hope of disclosure will disappear.

And this isn't me arguing with you that this is all fake. This is merely analysis of how this clown show is proceeding. I still don't buy the "they are risking their life" side of it. They would be freaking heroes if they produced something. It would be the biggest story of all time. Again I say there are some logical troubles that crop up when really analyzing why we don't have "proof" of anything yet.

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Again, why such a flippant attitude toward these people, some of whom have verifiably been threatened with their lives? How can you so casually move past that? Never mind that every single one of them - along with so many others - have all said the same thing: that for 80+ years government/contractor intimidation has been the norm, and that certain individuals have even been murdered trying to disclose this secret. Never mind that it was PROVEN that a coordinated, government-initiated smear campaign was enacted against Grusch in the media, and that there is an ACTIVE government investigation into the intimidation tactics used against him (one of which reportedly involved a large bullet left standing upright on his front porch as a warning).

Also, outside of Elizondo showing a couple dubious photographs, both of which he's addressed, what about this is a "clown show?" I genuinely don't understand where you're coming from in that regard.

Seriously, what else are these people supposed to do?

Sure, in the eyes of the public they would be heroes if they produced undeniable proof. But there is absolutely no guarantee that they still wouldn't see significant prison time. In fact, it's highly likely they would. Granted, eventually they would probably be exonerated due to sheer public pressure, but with a straight face how can you demand they take a gamble of that magnitude? Especially when most of them have families?

Why do they owe you or anyone else a damn thing? And who are you to put such an arbitrary timetable on this thing? I just don't get it. Otherwise, you come across as sounding so incredibly impatient and lacking any empathy whatsoever.

This was always going to take years, and we very likely still have years to go.

The onus is never on the people being told "we have this."

It's all talk

If it's all talk, then explain WHY and HOW.

Especially when none of these people are getting rich off of this subject and all of their reputations are on the line.

Provide a PLAUSIBLE explanation as to why dozens upon dozens of some of the most highly respected and credentialed government officials, scientists, and military pilots are ALL saying the same thing and are ALL telling the same story.

None of you have been able to offer as much, and in fact are seemingly refusing to do so. Not a single person in this thread has been able to offer a believable, alternative explanation that isn't filled with holes or doesn't show a complete lack of knowledge of the details that have been communicated and verified up to this point.

You can't just keep saying "Nuh uh, prove it!" in the face of the AVALANCHE of highly credible testimony continuing to come down the pike, without offering a counterargument that doesn't involve "They're all lying" or "They're all being duped," because both of those scenarios are just as unbelievable as "aliens" at this point.

What you're demanding is the equivalent of a lawyer asking a jury to convict someone of murdering a person named John Doe, despite there being no birth certificate, SS card, driver's license or bank account that would suggest John Doe ever existed. Or even a dead body

That's... not all what this is like, but nice try.

One question for you. You have said multiple times that if anyone were to speak out, they are basically going to jail for life or asking for death. You seem convinced of that.

Yet you also said "putting their faces out there and going public is how most of these guys help protect themselves. If, say, Grusch had been murdered (or even "suicided") after he came forward, that would only lend credence to the fact that someone was trying to shut him up, and thus there was a secret worth protecting"

So speaking out will both get you killed, but it is also what keeps you alive?

Which?

I still say that anyone who truly exposes the truth, if the truth is out there, has nothing to fear. They will be heroes who live forever in history. Saying it's too dangerous just feels like yet another artificial and self-validating explanation for a lack of substance.

And again don't take it personally. Maybe the substance is there, maybe it will come out in due time. I repeat that I'm rooting for it and I'm open to it. All of my comments here are just from a big picture attempt at analyzing the overall situation.

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That's... not all what this is like, but nice try.

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Although we mostly disagree, I appreciate your work and time as the biggest proponent of UAPs. I think without you this thread would not exist.

The one in a million chance (IMO) there has been extraterrestrials visit is worth the ongoing discussion.

The biggest problem is there hasn't been a shred of irrefutable proof, worldwide, ever. We have whistleblowers, but they are all words and stories. Snowden had a ton of classified documents when he came out as a whistleblower. And that is just the US. There are 200 countries arpund the world and they haven't provided irrefutable proof either. I agree with you it's not on our timetable. But I think the argument can be made that is the UAP business model - perpetual hype and repeatedly promising disclosure is just around the corner. If we did have actual proof, guys like Elizomdo, corbell, Greer would quickly become irrelevant.

I also have to think if there were aliens, and the us government knew about it, they would paint them as a threat to increase military spending. Plus military enrollment would skyrocket. The argument seems to be that if there is alien technology, that we would keep it secret and utilize it to our advantage against other nations. But reality is, if there is alien technology, the threat would be aliens.

I didn't say "speak out."

I said if they presented verifiable proof to the public.

Those are two very different things.

The latter involving the actual leaking/smuggling out of classified documents, video, and photos.

David Grusch, for instance, didn't break any nondisclosure agreements, nor did he reveal any classified information that wasn't ultimately approved via the DOPSR process. He simply blew the whistle *to* the government, on the existence of an ILLEGAL government program, and after a lengthy DOPSR review, was ultimately allowed to the discuss certain details publicly. I don't pretend to know the technicalities of how all that works, but the fact is, every step he took was OFFICIAL and with EXTREME caution.

That said, if he were to outright leak actual, classified documents/videos/photos to the public, as I understand it, THAT would be treason. Granted, again, because these programs are illegal, he and others would likely/eventually evade lengthy prison sentences on that technicality alone, but there are no guarantees he wouldn't have to spend *some* time in prison initially, or that he wouldn't be murdered in the process.

I'm sorry if I come across as an ass, but this exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about, where the details are everything. I totally get that not everyone has the time to learn every facet of this stuff, but it just gets frustrating when you keep insisting X over and over again without having first taken the time to understand Y.

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That's... not all what this is like, but nice try.

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Although we mostly disagree, I appreciate your work and time as the biggest proponent of UAPs. I think without you this thread would not exist.

The one in a million chance (IMO) there has been extraterrestrials visit is worth the ongoing discussion.

The biggest problem is there hasn't been a shred of irrefutable proof, worldwide, ever. We have whistleblowers, but they are all words and stories. Snowden had a ton of classified documents when he came out as a whistleblower. And that is just the US. There are 200 countries arpund the world and they haven't provided irrefutable proof either. I agree with you it's not on our timetable. But I think the argument can be made that is the UAP business model - perpetual hype and repeatedly promising disclosure is just around the corner. If we did have actual proof, guys like Elizomdo, corbell, Greer would quickly become irrelevant.

I also have to think if there were aliens, and the us government knew about it, they would paint them as a threat to increase military spending. Plus military enrollment would skyrocket. The argument seems to be that if there is alien technology, that we would keep it secret and utilize it to our advantage against other nations. But reality is, if there is alien technology, the threat would be aliens.

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I agree with most everything you're saying.

And yes, as I've acknowledged as well, time and again, nothing is truly going to move the needle until we have actual, physical proof. To an extent, until that happens, criticisms are fair game.

That said, it's not JUST "words and stories."

First of all, it's "words and stories" from some of the smartest, most credible, most experienced, most trustworthy individuals on the planet. "Words and stories" that can't be dismissed for that reason alone.

Further, significant ACTIONS have been taken based on those "words and stories." Actions by congress, pilots, our military, other high-ranking officials, additional whistleblowers, etc, which HEAVILY imply that the "words and stories" carry serious weight and validity. We simply wouldn't be having multiple congressional hearings nor would pages and pages of law have been submitted for approval the past three years (which literally mention "non-human intelligence") if there wasn't a there there. There would be no official avenues for military pilots to now report sightings if they weren't consistently seeing/detecting objects that are defying the laws of physics. There would be no "credible and urgent" (as it was officially deemed) ongoing investigation into Grusch's claims if this was all JUST "words and stories."

The list goes on and on.

In short, verifiable actions and maneuvers within our government, among previously neutral parties, continue to implicitly point to those previously neutral parties having seen additional information that we're not privy to (but is based on everything we/they *have* seen), that's causing them to ACT in unprecedented ways.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the qualifications of some of the whistleblowers. It does feel like there has been a resurgence of UAP claims in the last 10 years. I know a previous poster felt otherwise, but it feels like the momentum is on the side of UAP research and disclosure.

David Grusch, Harald Malmgren, Eric Davis, to say that those guys are generally respected and have all of the credentials is an understatement. Matthew Brown comes across as truthful imo, even if he doesn't have the record of the previous three guys. I think some of the other whistleblowers have lost credibility, and unfortunately cast doubt on other whistleblowers.

I have no doubt that both the US and our adversaries are likely testing stealth crafts and other technologies, further complicating things. But in reality, humans have evolved for only roughly 4,000 years, and the universes are billions of years old. There is very likely technology somewhere in a universe with technology that we cannot possibly comprehend.

There’s something strange going on in the skies over New Jersey, and as someone who lives here, I’ve been paying very close attention.

In the first ten weeks of 2025, something unusual began unfolding above us. Reports started surfacing—not just a few, but many. Across counties,… pic.twitter.com/ULFVVN0IFZ

— Tom Thompson🛸 (ＣＯＲＴＥＸ ＺＥＲＯ) (@Cortex_Zero) May 5, 2025

They starting again or never went away?

The first set of three pics (top left corner) is not new. That's an aircraft or a drone (possibly the Pterodynamics VTOL drone prototype I've posted about before.) The map (bottom right) is not new. But I don't recall seeing the pics in the top right or bottom left before.

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I've voiced my annoyance with Corbell numerous times in this thread, but I knocked this interview out while getting some other stuff done this afternoon and props to him and Knapp for delivering. Because here we have yet another highly credible whistleblower I absolutely recommend listening to. This one, you can even hear the trepidation/fear in his voice at times about coming forward. That said, it's part one of a three-part interview, so we're only getting started in terms info/revelations, as a lot of this interview is merely background and setting the stage. Definitely looking forward to what's next...

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I haven't watched it myself yet, but Part 2 (of 3) is now up...

Today we release PART 2 of whistleblower Matthew Brown's UAP testimony 🛸 You will want to hear this.

LAUNCHES HIGH-NOON PST : https://t.co/45T3bwxSVt

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In Part 2, Matthew Brown explains why he reluctantly decided to go public, sharing details about stunning UFO encounters… pic.twitter.com/Hpuv4tCluZ

— Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell (@JeremyCorbell) May 6, 2025

It's Reddit, so who the hell knows, but a number of knowledgeable-seeming posters in the comments seem to think this could be a legit leak, and at least give credible answers as to why. Time will tell…

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An anonymous Electrical Engineer has released BAASS documents on Reddit
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A former DoD black project engineer, now terminally ill, revealed that the Tic Tac UAP is human-made and uses real, operational gravitational… pic.twitter.com/UmpL74m6xi

— MikeDisclosure (@MikeDisclosure) May 7, 2025

A new, anonymous, person just posted a laundry list of claims relating to AAWSAP, BAASS, Luis Elizondo, and Jay Stratton (and more) on Reddit.

I usually ignore stories like this, but the person added numerous pages from BAASS reports that add some legitimacy to it.

Although… pic.twitter.com/cITsmyyneJ

— John Greenewald, Jr. (@blackvaultcom) May 7, 2025

Looking forward to this one. They've been seeing anomalous objects across AZ for years - Phoenix Lights/Rubber Ducky....so could they be ours? We investigate claims of a huge covert underground facility. Is someone testing anomalous tech in the desert? https://t.co/psuPTUtP4S

— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) May 8, 2025

I don't follow this person, and this is admittedly a very new age take, but it's also a theory I'm starting to come around on more and more. When skeptics say aliens could never reach us because interstellar distances are simply too vast, this is an alternative explanation I've tried to give in the past, but haven't been able to express nearly as eloquently...

The conventional extraterrestrial hypothesis (that non-human intelligences (NHIs) arrive in spacecraft from distant star systems) has long dominated the narrative surrounding UFOs and anomalous phenomena.

However, a deeper, more esoteric hypothesis has gained traction among… pic.twitter.com/Xa30T4cG5p

— Tifftastic 🦋🌞🐍 (@tifftastic369) May 8, 2025

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The conventional extraterrestrial hypothesis (that non-human intelligences (NHIs) arrive in spacecraft from distant star systems) has long dominated the narrative surrounding UFOs and anomalous phenomena.

However, a deeper, more esoteric hypothesis has gained traction among whistleblowers, contactees, and certain branches of black project research.

That many of these beings are not from "elsewhere" in the universe, but are already here, embedded within the biosphere of Earth itself.

This view radically reorients the entire framework of UAP encounters, suggesting that we are not the sole or even the primary sentient presence within the Earth system.

These embedded NHIs are believed to operate in phase shifted states of reality, existing at frequencies or vibratory layers imperceptible to the human senses. Like overlapping radio stations, they coexist with our physical world while remaining generally undetected, unless certain neurological or environmental conditions allow for perception.

Near death experiences, altered states of consciousness, and the use of entheogens like DMT are often cited as temporary breaches in this perceptual firewall.

It is during these altered states that witnesses frequently report encounters with entities such as the Greys, Mantids, machine elves, and luminous beings, suggesting that such experiences are not hallucinations, but bleed throughs into coexistent strata of intelligence.

From this perspective, Earth is not simply a planet, it is a multilayered intelligence habitat, where biospheric life is just the visible surface of a vast, hidden ecosystem. NHIs may be integrated into Earth's electromagnetic fields, crystalline formations, underground networks, or even atmospheric plasma structures.

Some researchers have proposed the existence of a global neural web, akin to a planetary mind, into which these beings are woven.

This would mean that our forests, oceans, magnetic lines, and even weather systems may act as both camouflage and conduit for nonhuman consciousness. Crop circles, with their complex geometries and sudden appearances, are interpreted in this framework not as messages from afar, but as localized emissions from intelligences operating beneath or parallel to our dimension, testing human pattern recognition and consciousness response.

This may also explain the control system referenced by thinkers like Jacques Valle and John Keel, a kind of ontological firewall or feedback mechanism designed to manage human perception of the "Other."

Some theorists argue that our neurological filters have been tuned (possibly through evolution, trauma, or intervention) not to perceive these embedded beings, in order to preserve psychological stability. When these filters are bypassed, whether by accident or initiation, the experience is often shocking and transformative, resulting in visions, messages, or even mission-like directives. Some describe it as "lifting the veil." Others view it as activating a latent cohabitation awareness, that humanity is but one faction within a broader planetary intelligence structure.

The Greys, in this schema, may not be biological extraterrestrials at all. They are theorized to be biomechanical proxies, phase adapted entities used by embedded NHIs to interact with humans without compromising their own form. These "avatars" serve as translators across dimensional layers. This could also explain their often sterile, emotionless demeanor, suggesting they are engineered for function rather than sentience.

Similarly, hybrid programs and abduction phenomena might be efforts to integrate human genetics into this multi realm interface, creating beings capable of bridging both vibratory ecosystems: the physical and the interdimensional.

Rather than a galactic intrusion, the embedded intelligence model frames disclosure as a rediscovery, a recognition that Earth has always been inhabited by a diversity of sentience, much of it invisible and inaccessible due to our own frequency limitations.

This changes not only our understanding of UFOs but our role in the cosmos. We are not isolated observers looking up at the stars; we are participants in a hidden ecology of consciousness that permeates the air we breathe and the ground beneath our feet. Some NHIs may be caretakers, others opportunists, and still others indifferent, but they are all local to the deeper anatomy of Earth.

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In short, humanity is almost assuredly incredibly limited in terms of what we can perceive/measure about our reality, and to think that because certain physics don't meet our incredibly limited understanding of our reality, thus arriving at the conclusion that there is no alien life on Earth, is the very definition of hubris.

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In short, humanity is almost assuredly incredibly limited in terms of what we can perceive/measure about our reality, and to think that because certain physics don't meet our incredibly limited understanding of our reality, thus arriving at the conclusion that there is no alien life on Earth, is the very definition of hubris.

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Definitely agree with that. I still think that anything different that might be here is actually from here as opposed to being from somewhere far away, but my reasoning on that is more philosophical/religious rather than scientific.

Eloquent indeed.
Thanks

I sure hope this never ends. This is better than SNL has been in decades. "It's up to skeptics to prove aliens aren't on Earth".

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?

So far we have eggs on strings, irrigation circles, airplanes with standard navigation lights over airports, bird **** on a lens, and reflections of chandeliers. And people selling books and documentaries who swear there really are aliens. Amazing. It's people utterly divorced from reality insisting that normal humans can't handle the truth.

When literally all you do is show up here to insult people simply trying to have a discussion, that tells us everything we need to know about who you are as a person. However deranged we may or may not be, you're right there with us, given your incessant, pathetic need to do nothing but mock and belittle. There are plenty of skeptics in this thread who are able to have civil discussions, whom I respect and completely understand, re: their hesitations. Sadly, you are not remotely one of them.

Tangentially, how wild would it be if movies and TV about this stuff ended up being true?

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These embedded NHIs are believed to operate in phase shifted states of reality, existing at frequencies or vibratory layers imperceptible to the human senses. Like overlapping radio stations, they coexist with our physical world while remaining generally undetected, unless certain neurological or environmental conditions allow for perception.

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Crop circles, with their complex geometries and sudden appearances, are interpreted in this framework not as messages from afar, but as localized emissions from intelligences operating beneath or parallel to our dimension, testing human pattern recognition and consciousness response.

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That's the Observers from Fringe.

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Some theorists argue that our neurological filters have been tuned (possibly through evolution, trauma, or intervention) not to perceive these embedded beings, in order to preserve psychological stability. When these filters are bypassed, whether by accident or initiation, the experience is often shocking and transformative, resulting in visions, messages, or even mission-like directives. Some describe it as "lifting the veil." Others view it as activating a latent cohabitation awareness, that humanity is but one faction within a broader planetary intelligence structure.

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Those are the glasses from They Live.

That's awesome.

I'm sure there are so many more examples too.

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In short, humanity is almost assuredly incredibly limited in terms of what we can perceive/measure about our reality, and to think that because certain physics don't meet our incredibly limited understanding of our reality, thus arriving at the conclusion that there is no alien life on Earth, is the very definition of hubris.

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On a serious note, my wife once asked me if I believed in aliens after a news segment on the NJ drones. I told her I didn't know one way or the other. When pressed for an explanation, I told her that I can imagine living in the England during the middle ages as a serf under King John and looking out across the Atlantic Ocean. That water might as well have been outer space, and how shocked would I have been to learn not only that there was land beyond the sea, but that there was intelligent life there.

We've just moved to a state where now also look and wonder along our "z-axis." But just because I haven't seen anything along the z doesn't mean nothing is there. And because I only can conceive of x, y, and z doesn't mean their aren't more "axes" upon which to look.

So I agree with you that it is hubris to assume there is nothing here, there, or anywhere else. There just isn't much convincing evidence out there to convince me that there is. And based on what we do know, my assumption has to be that there isn't until we learn more about our world and how it works.

And who knows what we'll learn about our existence once we develop the technology necessary to build the ships we need to cross our time's version of the Atlantic ocean? Maybe nothing. Maybe something. It's excited to ponder, though.

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I don't follow this person, and this is admittedly a very new age take, but it's also a theory I'm starting to come around on more and more. When skeptics say aliens could never reach us because interstellar distances are simply too vast, this is an alternative explanation I've tried to give in the past, but haven't been able to express nearly as eloquently...

The conventional extraterrestrial hypothesis (that non-human intelligences (NHIs) arrive in spacecraft from distant star systems) has long dominated the narrative surrounding UFOs and anomalous phenomena.

However, a deeper, more esoteric hypothesis has gained traction among… pic.twitter.com/Xa30T4cG5p

— Tifftastic 🦋🌞🐍 (@tifftastic369) May 8, 2025

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The conventional extraterrestrial hypothesis (that non-human intelligences (NHIs) arrive in spacecraft from distant star systems) has long dominated the narrative surrounding UFOs and anomalous phenomena.

However, a deeper, more esoteric hypothesis has gained traction among whistleblowers, contactees, and certain branches of black project research.

That many of these beings are not from "elsewhere" in the universe, but are already here, embedded within the biosphere of Earth itself.

This view radically reorients the entire framework of UAP encounters, suggesting that we are not the sole or even the primary sentient presence within the Earth system.

These embedded NHIs are believed to operate in phase shifted states of reality, existing at frequencies or vibratory layers imperceptible to the human senses. Like overlapping radio stations, they coexist with our physical world while remaining generally undetected, unless certain neurological or environmental conditions allow for perception.

Near death experiences, altered states of consciousness, and the use of entheogens like DMT are often cited as temporary breaches in this perceptual firewall.

It is during these altered states that witnesses frequently report encounters with entities such as the Greys, Mantids, machine elves, and luminous beings, suggesting that such experiences are not hallucinations, but bleed throughs into coexistent strata of intelligence.

From this perspective, Earth is not simply a planet, it is a multilayered intelligence habitat, where biospheric life is just the visible surface of a vast, hidden ecosystem. NHIs may be integrated into Earth's electromagnetic fields, crystalline formations, underground networks, or even atmospheric plasma structures.

Some researchers have proposed the existence of a global neural web, akin to a planetary mind, into which these beings are woven.

This would mean that our forests, oceans, magnetic lines, and even weather systems may act as both camouflage and conduit for nonhuman consciousness. Crop circles, with their complex geometries and sudden appearances, are interpreted in this framework not as messages from afar, but as localized emissions from intelligences operating beneath or parallel to our dimension, testing human pattern recognition and consciousness response.

This may also explain the control system referenced by thinkers like Jacques Valle and John Keel, a kind of ontological firewall or feedback mechanism designed to manage human perception of the "Other."

Some theorists argue that our neurological filters have been tuned (possibly through evolution, trauma, or intervention) not to perceive these embedded beings, in order to preserve psychological stability. When these filters are bypassed, whether by accident or initiation, the experience is often shocking and transformative, resulting in visions, messages, or even mission-like directives. Some describe it as "lifting the veil." Others view it as activating a latent cohabitation awareness, that humanity is but one faction within a broader planetary intelligence structure.

The Greys, in this schema, may not be biological extraterrestrials at all. They are theorized to be biomechanical proxies, phase adapted entities used by embedded NHIs to interact with humans without compromising their own form. These "avatars" serve as translators across dimensional layers. This could also explain their often sterile, emotionless demeanor, suggesting they are engineered for function rather than sentience.

Similarly, hybrid programs and abduction phenomena might be efforts to integrate human genetics into this multi realm interface, creating beings capable of bridging both vibratory ecosystems: the physical and the interdimensional.

Rather than a galactic intrusion, the embedded intelligence model frames disclosure as a rediscovery, a recognition that Earth has always been inhabited by a diversity of sentience, much of it invisible and inaccessible due to our own frequency limitations.

This changes not only our understanding of UFOs but our role in the cosmos. We are not isolated observers looking up at the stars; we are participants in a hidden ecology of consciousness that permeates the air we breathe and the ground beneath our feet. Some NHIs may be caretakers, others opportunists, and still others indifferent, but they are all local to the deeper anatomy of Earth.

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In short, humanity is almost assuredly incredibly limited in terms of what we can perceive/measure about our reality, and to think that because certain physics don't meet our incredibly limited understanding of our reality, thus arriving at the conclusion that there is no alien life on Earth, is the very definition of hubris.

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This is the correct answer. This is also why the Fermi Paradox will never be solved in it's current context.

Tim Alberino is a skilled and knowledgeable Protestant Fortean, meaning close Biblical reading and speculation informed by that and extensive travel.

From a few months back, this is an excellent discussion with Lue (who, like Lazar, strikes me as decent and honest).

What causes these out-of-phase beings to suddenly become detected in their UAP craft in our physical world? Or to be physically recovered?


(By the way, mentioning crop circles in that dissertation is a red flag, for me)
Kudos to whoever wrote that, though. Very prosey

- Certain tasks would likely require becoming physical, 3D objects in our physical, 3D world. Not unlike how we need submarines to reach denser depths of the ocean.

- Just because they don't fully reveal themselves doesn't mean they don't mind being detected from time to time, potentially as means of slowly but surely acclimating us to their presence.

- Similarly, one prevailing theory is that some crashes are purposeful offerings, used to test how far we are technologically/how smart we are in terms of what we're able to reverse engineer and what we're not.

- Regardless, the more complex a technology, the more opportunity there is for error. No species will ever fully eliminate technological glitches, mistakes, freak accidents, etc. We also reportedly have means of bringing some of them down via EMP in certain instances.

- Yes, most crop circles are obviously man-made. Bu a number of others are legit mysteries, far too complex to be man-made, showing stalks bent at perfect, 90-degree angles with no sign of human footprints, while some tests have reportedly revealed that the bent stalks have been altered at an atomic level.

I'm not saying I believe all of this, and yes, some it *is* convenient reasoning, but there are more than enough theories to go around. Either way, this person is offering just that - a theory - not claiming to be an insider with legit, concrete knowledge of our existence.

Demi Moore and Colman Domingo are set to play lovers in the romance epic "Strange Arrivals." Roger Ross Williams is directing.

The movie is inspired by the true story of Betty and Barney Hill, an interracial couple who became the first reported case of an alien abduction. Their… pic.twitter.com/vpOu7WvtYi

— Variety (@Variety) May 9, 2025

Anomalous experiences are difficult to measure because our brains create perception through internal neural activity, which means what we perceive depends more on interpretation and action than on external reality.https://t.co/APYpe2Vlws

— Disclosure Party (@disclosureorg) May 9, 2025

Part 3

Joe Rogan tells Aaron Rodgers about The Age of Disclosure

“They think this documentary is gonna break the dam. This one’s pretty intense.” pic.twitter.com/bwI9uPAnJo

— UAP James (@UAPJames) May 21, 2025

Thanks
I hadn't thought of the litigation angle. Seems small in the grand scheme of disclosure.