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In reply to Agristotle • 2:36p, 4/30/25
No problem!
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4:46p, 4/30/25
Christians:

As a follow-up to my last post, about the "blurry" nature of cosmic creatures, faithful and fallen ….

https://www.amazon.com/First-Beginnings-Creation-Mountain-Patriarchs/dp/162138361X

I extremely strongly recommend the Angelico Press version of Anne Catherine Emmerich, a Catholic saint mystic (visions can't be considered "officially" because she was bedridden and had a dutiful scribe).

Especially "First Beginnings," a supplementary volume (1 of 12, and then also 3 large "main" texts)

Adam and Eve, created billions of years ago when the earth began, after a great cosmic war where many of our elder race siblings, cosmic creatures also, fell.

Paradise is real, connected to the earth….and they were hurled into our deformed space / time, deformed by sin, to do penance, in Palestine. Spirt and matter, first in a place where time didn't exist.

This is the context - many creations, many embodied spirits, spiritual wars, some imagers of God are faithful and some fallen….

Matter and spirit, other "dimensions" - it's porous.
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In reply to Redstone • 4:56p, 4/30/25
I'm sorry, but aliens are somehow easier to believe in than a literal Adam & Eve.

And penance for what, exactly?

Existing?
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:09p, 4/30/25
Yes, literal, hurled to a deformed earth (due to their turn from God in a spiritual plane connected to the earth) in about 4,100 BC, when there were many upon the earth, according to a conversation she saw that Christ had with a pagan philosopher.

Christ, the new Adam, reconciles us away from this rebellion, one of many rebellions, in one of many appearances of the Logos of John 1.
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5:11p, 4/30/25
Pair this with Howard Storm (book: My Descent Into Death and search his name with aliens).

The universe is not our story, it is Christ-centric, and some of His many creations follow and some refuse.
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10:09a, 5/1/25
man... this thread is really starting to deliver on the wooy wooy. redstone, you are committed to the act, keep delivering, it's highly entertaining.
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In reply to Redstone • 9:30p, 5/1/25
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Yes, literal, hurled to a deformed earth (due to their turn from God in a spiritual plane connected to the earth) in about 4,100 BC, when there were many upon the earth, according to a conversation she saw that Christ had with a pagan philosopher.

Christ, the new Adam, reconciles us away from this rebellion, one of many rebellions, in one of many appearances of the Logos of John 1.
Are you referring to Beezlebub as the pagan philospher? Or an actual human philospher in 4100 BC.

Christ referred to as the new Adam is a fascinating concept, haven't heard that. Both being the son of God is what I presume you mean, Jesus the second and did not disobey God.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:40p, 5/1/25
If you've ever flown over that part of the country, you've seen dozens to hundreds of these. They're not UAPs. They're center-irrigated fields. This makes Lue look like a fool.
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In reply to Earth Rider • 9:49p, 5/1/25
Satan, Lucifer, and Beezlebub are the same fallen entity according to Fr. Chad Ripperger. God "split" the personality as a punishment and a homage to His triune nature.

The level of detail provided is extensive. Jesus spoke with many soon to be holy pagans, and traveled far in the fall of 32.

Christ as the new Adam, as Mary is the new Eve, are very deep Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) waters, well grounded theologically. Matter and spirit, metaphor and history - these run together, as our body is the restored temple, Eucharist the manna, circumcision and baptism, Jesus the sacrificial Pascal lamb, the flood and baptism, and much else.

Logos has appeared many times, and His creatures are all called to be in His family in various ways (we hominids, dominion of this earth).

We are embodied spirits, in this dimension, many clinging to the material, in a low vibration, grounded by sin instead of the telos of life being theosis to the Logos. But….not all creations are likewise.

There is much more than God, angels (messenger, a job description and less a category of being), demon (a very narrow term 2,000 years ago, btw), and us. Much more.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:00p, 5/1/25
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The Eric Davis comments to me are more important than all of the "whistle blowers" to date. Including Malmgren and its not even close.

A lot of information came out today. Davis seems to have some in-depth information about the hierarchy and the internal workings of the government operations. I was impressed by his testimony.

This is the biggest information I have come across. He is either incredibly intelligent to the point he has lost his mind, or he has real in-depth experience. Getting into 4 alien species. It would be good if he provided some tangible proof. Regardless,, the entertainment value is off the charts with this guy.

I mean if this is real, why is this not bigger news? I would suspect someone of his accomplishments would be respected by the news media. Almost everyone had no idea this went down today. He should be the star of the UAP community.
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In reply to G Martin 87 • 10:21p, 5/1/25
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If you've ever flown over that part of the country, you've seen dozens to hundreds of these. They're not UAPs. They're center-irrigated fields. This makes Lue look like a fool.


I've seen hundreds of them myself. But in my experience they're almost always a clump of them together, not just two sitting side by side in the middle of no where. I'm not at all saying this is a real UAP, but you can't confirm with 100% confidence it's two center-irrigated fields either. What makes it interesting is the pilot component, seeing as the image was taken by a pilot who would no doubt know what center-irrigated fields are as well.

Granted, it's not like the image moves the needle either way, and I do wish photos of this nature, from Lue & co, would either be more compelling or simply not released at all.

Still worth posting, IMO.
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In reply to G Martin 87 • 11:27p, 5/1/25
Welp, I stand corrected, as the below is certainly hard to argue. To Lue's credit, he did say, "I cannot vouch for the veracity of this photograph. I didn't take it." But my question would then be (same as I alluded to above)… why even present it in the first place? He HAS to know how scrutinized his actions are at this point…


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TCTTS said:
The Eric Davis comments to me are more important than all of the "whistle blowers" to date. Including Malmgren and its not even close.

A lot of information came out today. Davis seems to have some in-depth information about the hierarchy and the internal workings of the government operations. I was impressed by his testimony.

This is the biggest information I have come across. He is either incredibly intelligent to the point he has lost his mind, or he has real in-depth experience. Getting into 4 alien species. It would be good if he provided some tangible proof. Regardless,, the entertainment value is off the charts with this guy.

I mean if this is real, why is this not bigger news? I would suspect someone of his accomplishments would be respected by the news media. Almost everyone had no idea this went down today. He should be the star of the UAP community.

Davis already *is* one of the most respected "stars" of the UAP community. He's up there with Puthoff and Vallee in terms of credentials, credibility, and influence. He's the one who basically showed Grusch where to first start digging, while Davis' meeting/memo with Admiral Thomas Wilson is easily one of the most infamous events/documents in all of UAP lore (and if true, one of the most important).

But what Davis said this morning in the briefing, as interesting and impressive as it was, is nothing the UAP community hasn't already heard or didn't already know. Which is fine, seeing as it was less for the public/community and more for our government. Still, yes, I agree that what he said should be bigger news. The problem is, as evident by this thread at times and the greater public reaction so far, nothing is going to truly move the needle until A) irrefutable proof is presented to the public, or B) someone active in the government, way higher up than Davis, Grush, Malmgren, Elizondo, etc formally announces that aliens are real/among us. Seeing as I have next to no faith in the latter, it's almost assuredly going to have to be the former.
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In reply to Earth Rider • 8:07a, 5/2/25
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TCTTS said:
The Eric Davis comments to me are more important than all of the "whistle blowers" to date. Including Malmgren and its not even close.

A lot of information came out today. Davis seems to have some in-depth information about the hierarchy and the internal workings of the government operations. I was impressed by his testimony.

This is the biggest information I have come across. He is either incredibly intelligent to the point he has lost his mind, or he has real in-depth experience. Getting into 4 alien species. It would be good if he provided some tangible proof. Regardless,, the entertainment value is off the charts with this guy.

I mean if this is real, why is this not bigger news? I would suspect someone of his accomplishments would be respected by the news media. Almost everyone had no idea this went down today. He should be the star of the UAP community.
I still read this forum all the time because it's funny as hell, but don't post because it's a waste of time. But I just don't see how you can be serious. You want to know why? Try moving this topic out from between the "Star Wars discussion thread" and the "***HACKS*** (HBO Max series)" threads into the actual news forum. This is a tiny bubble of people utterly divorced from reality. This is fantasy entertainment and a semi-religious cult.

There are no aliens flying around Earth and no one who is serious and sane would ever waste time with this. It's people telling stories and providing pictures of irrigation circles, airplanes, and green video of eggs on strings and then telling you about their new books and documentaries.

You've got people here who actually "research" things like the airplane getting zapped from the sky as though there's any chance that might be real. Were you guys just not even born with a bull**** filter? Here's a hint: Star Trek is not real, and there are no alien bases all over Earth. You'd think sharing a side with Redstone and previously Spidey (Now THERE'S someone who may have flown away to the stars) among others would make people have some self-awareness and say "Holy ****, maybe we ARE crazy", but nope, I guess just double down and claim everyone else is just not as enlightened. Or even better, that everyone is a paid government agent out to get you. I mean, now Bigfoot is part of this and Adam and Eve landed on the Earth 6000 years ago? Holy crap, at least the comedy is off the charts.

You guys clearly get up every morning and read the alien forums and search YouTube for new alien videos and read alien books and then watch alien documentaries as you go to sleep, you bury yourselves in it 24 hours a day, and then actually wonder why normal people don't see aliens everywhere like you do. I openly laughed at that picture Elizondo showed when it was first posted, as any sane human should have. How are you guys that are supposed to be so "enlightened" the ones who are so gullible and blind?

Look, it's all harmless, it's fun to talk and fantasize about, and any intellectual person should be curious about our place in the universe and the context of our existence. But when it comes to honestly not understanding why Insectoid aliens flying around Earth is not "Big News" then you probably ought to go outside for a while and get some air.

Alright, now let's get back to stories about nuking aliens and Kennedy being killed because of aliens.
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I think Elizondo is a true believer (as opposed to a grifter), and I think he's grasping at straws for tangible evidence prove his truth as actual truth. Still, this has to be strike two on Lue, right?
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In reply to MW03 • 11:09a, 5/2/25
Lue's intentions are frankly irrelevant at this point. You can't put out photos of irrigation circles as evidence of UAP and maintain any shred of credibility as a UAP subject matter expert. You just can't make a mistake like that. He's done.
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In reply to Joes • 11:10a, 5/2/25
Joes said:
Earth Rider said:
TCTTS said:
The Eric Davis comments to me are more important than all of the "whistle blowers" to date. Including Malmgren and its not even close.

A lot of information came out today. Davis seems to have some in-depth information about the hierarchy and the internal workings of the government operations. I was impressed by his testimony.

This is the biggest information I have come across. He is either incredibly intelligent to the point he has lost his mind, or he has real in-depth experience. Getting into 4 alien species. It would be good if he provided some tangible proof. Regardless,, the entertainment value is off the charts with this guy.

I mean if this is real, why is this not bigger news? I would suspect someone of his accomplishments would be respected by the news media. Almost everyone had no idea this went down today. He should be the star of the UAP community.
I still read this forum all the time because it's funny as hell, but don't post because it's a waste of time. But I just don't see how you can be serious. You want to know why? Try moving this topic out from between the "Star Wars discussion thread" and the "***HACKS*** (HBO Max series)" threads into the actual news forum. This is a tiny bubble of people utterly divorced from reality. This is fantasy entertainment and a semi-religious cult.

There are no aliens flying around Earth and no one who is serious and sane would ever waste time with this. It's people telling stories and providing pictures of irrigation circles, airplanes, and green video of eggs on strings and then telling you about their new books and documentaries.

You've got people here who actually "research" things like the airplane getting zapped from the sky as though there's any chance that might be real. Were you guys just not even born with a bull**** filter? Here's a hint: Star Trek is not real, and there are no alien bases all over Earth. You'd think sharing a side with Redstone and previously Spidey (Now THERE'S someone who may have flown away to the stars) among others would make people have some self-awareness and say "Holy ****, maybe we ARE crazy", but nope, I guess just double down and claim everyone else is just not as enlightened. Or even better, that everyone is a paid government agent out to get you. I mean, now Bigfoot is part of this and Adam and Eve landed on the Earth 6000 years ago? Holy crap, at least the comedy is off the charts.

You guys clearly get up every morning and read the alien forums and search YouTube for new alien videos and read alien books and then watch alien documentaries as you go to sleep, you bury yourselves in it 24 hours a day, and then actually wonder why normal people don't see aliens everywhere like you do. I openly laughed at that picture Elizondo showed when it was first posted, as any sane human should have. How are you guys that are supposed to be so "enlightened" the ones who are so gullible and blind?

Look, it's all harmless, it's fun to talk and fantasize about, and any intellectual person should be curious about our place in the universe and the context of our existence. But when it comes to honestly not understanding why Insectoid aliens flying around Earth is not "Big News" then you probably ought to go outside for a while and get some air.

Alright, now let's get back to stories about nuking aliens and Kennedy being killed because of aliens.
You clearly got up this morning and decided to write a book about something you say you don't care about. Its a waste of time reading what you decided to put a good few hours into. You are the one that needs to get some fresh air after writing that pile of hateful cr*p over something that you say you don't care about . Although somehow you do care as you spent some time on that cr*p.

I am not saying I believe there are any aliens or anything else supernatural. But I am curious about those things, enjoy learning about things and why people believe certain things, and it is entertainment whetehr it is true or not. Why do people read fantasy books about dungeons and dragons or wizards or demons, its interesting to them. If you go look at my post history, I am much closer to your side over all of this. Even if it is all debunked, it is still a fun rabbit hole and why not enjoy the ride down that rabbit hole.

But then again, why go out of your way like you did to criticize and insult something you know little to nothing about.

The Eric Davis interview is interesting. The guy has a PHD in astrophysics, is a nuclear physicist, and he likely has lost his mind. That is probably the story in itself. He is no country doctor or government employee that stumbled across a misplaced war games folder. Someone at his level that lost his mind or decided to BS three US congressman sitting within 3 feet of each other to the level he did is a fascinating story in itself, at least to me it is. But maybe he is telling the truth, I can't definitively say either way.

And Redstone is the man! Nothing but props for redstone. You may not agree or believe him, but he is well researched, and his writing prose is unique and appreciated.
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2. The photo had NOT YET been vetted.
That's not anyone problem but yours, Lue. Don't show it, if you haven't verified it.
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Lue's intentions are frankly irrelevant at this point. You can't put out photos of irrigation circles as evidence of UAP and maintain any shred of credibility as a UAP subject matter expert. You just can't make a mistake like that. He's done.

He's not done - he's too integral to this whole thing to ever be done - but he definitely won't be the one leading the charge anymore. I've never seen "ufology" more upset with him, at least on social media, and his excuse for presenting the photo was pretty weak, which only pissed off everyone even more. This is just a tiny sample of what I've been seeing...



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2. The photo had NOT YET been vetted.
That's not anyone problem but yours, Lue. Don't show it, if you haven't verified it.

Exactly.
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In reply to Earth Rider • 4:58p, 5/2/25
He used to do this all the damn time and it's just not worth it to engage with him anymore. You can try reasoning with him, and presenting fact after fact after fact, or talking about the sheer number of highly credible whistleblowers/witnesses, and listing all their credentials, but none of it makes a single dent. He's made up his mind and nothing's going to stop him from being a complete ass about it. Never mind that such behavior only reveals a blatant, desperate bias almost assuredly based in fear, if not terror, of his reality bubble being burst. Some people simply can't handle the notion that, as advanced as we are as a species, and as in control as we think we are as a species, in truth we can only perceive and understand a small fraction of our existence, the universe, and what may or may not lie beyond it. Nor does it matter to people like him that the psyop at this point would have to be even more elaborate than the coverup itself, for any of this to even remotely make sense. The outbursts and condescending attitude are simply his coping mechanisms, otherwise he wouldn't have spent so much time and effort exclaiming to us, in the sweatiest fashion, how much he doesn't believe. No rational person behaves that way.
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Good thread/edits...

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There's a lot of stuff in this thread that I want to believe and think maybe there's even a possibility certain things are real, but Lou sharing that photo and then making that ridiculous non-apology about it is a massive reminder, at least to me, that these people are not objective truth seekers in this issue. Unfortunately. They have their minds made up and will believe things they shouldn't, and refuse to question things they should. And it literally calls everything they say into question.

More months and years keep passing and still all we get is the promise that sometime really soon something major will come out. Meanwhile what actually comes out is always the same: stuff that we're just told to believe on faith and then stuff that's comically untrue. I want some of this stuff to be true, really badly. Because think it would be so much fun. There are indeed some highly credentialed people talking. But it's literally all talk. I think we're actually at the point where the longer it goes like this, the more we hear this talk, it isn't helping build the case, it's hurting. Because at some point, stop talking and actually show me something real. I think that's where the public is very quickly moving.

I don't think the public cares how many credentialed people say these things. We already don't trust the government. And the longer it goes with credentialed people saying things that they can't prove, all it does is convince people that these people are lying. You know? So I think the disclosure movement or whatever you want to call it is getting to the point where they're hurting themselves in a pretty big way. Because they're refusing to provide any proof. People these days want results right away, and understandably so. Put up or shut up. And again, I say that as someone that's posted a lot on this thread and really wants a lot of it to be true. I'm open-minded to quite a bit of it, and closed minded to some of it as well. We all land at different points on that spectrum. But trying to step back from what I want to be true, this movement is fizzling quickly in my opinion. They've got to produce something real quick or else we're all checking out.
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5:44p, 5/2/25
And to add to that, I know, I know, disclosure is a process not an event, all that stuff. Look, if these claims are real, it should actually be pretty easy to have *something* be clearly and irrefutably disclosed. Millions of people are ready to be believers but just need something, anything that is actually tangible. And instead of that, we get pictures of crops shared by the leader of the whole movement.
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5:47p, 5/2/25
Reviewing now, seems like maybe an honest error
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