This is a fascinating thread. Will have to start at the beginning and read through it all. I'm definitely more of a skeptic but I have an open mind.

Sounds like he is determined to get to the bottom of this. and he may have the power and authority to be able to do that. My little skepticism voice tells me he hasn't actually seen anything yet, and it is just talk for now. But I sincerely appreciate his candor and determination to find and show hard evidence.

If he can simply definitively determine if there is or isn't a crash retrieval program, whether it is uap or not, would be a breakthrough in information that has been held from the public.

This in my opinion is the most encouraging bit of news I've seen regarding uaps.

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Thanks for asking.

I'll come back to your questions after some more reading.

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I am genuinely interested. The whole idea is abstract. Does quantum consciousness possibly hold some answers,

I have heard Rogan discuss psychedelics, and he indicates a person can reach another higher level of consciousness, But what is this place,. multiverses, or interaction with other powers, healers for our spirits ,

Can this level of consciousness and awareness serve as a transport through a medium such as psychedelics?

Admittedly, I know nothing,

A deep topic to return to, but my biases as a Catholic and Fortean are to our mystical tradition, also an attraction to experiencer / convert and NASA launch legend Tim Taylor - Tyler D. in American Cosmic and Encounters.

Meaning a search for commonalities across time and environment, and thinking like a court case (financial motive, witnesses, testimony creditability, documents, ect)

There are strong commonalities, as our subjective human experiences can point to more objective realities, not unlike how group DMT trippers tend to convey the "same" reality, like blindfolded people describing an elephant they feel.

So, the heavens and planetary spirits in Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich visions (Angelico Press, amazing) "matching" first-hand testimonies on YouTube's Touching the Afterlife, which often "match" one another.

Bigfoot - there are commonalities in testimonies (I like Blurry Creatures podcast) …. sudden appearance and disappearance, physical traces, green lights, red clothing, awful smell - in our physical reality, and then also not. Fairies, gnomes, cryptids - similar.

There are spiritual worlds, and it's porous and complex.

I was reading old posts and found that the DMS molecule detected by James Webb was lightly discussed in late '23

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) has announced a major Congressional investigation into classified UAP programs, and shared plans for an upcoming SCIF briefing, an expert roundtable, and a public hearing scheduled for the week of May 12th, 2025.https://t.co/cAUv0uHhg9 https://t.co/bKBHCQUqBE pic.twitter.com/81tZq17KzV

— Disclosure Party (@disclosureorg) April 18, 2025

A UAP roundtable discussion will take place on 30 April or 1 May, involving experts, officials, and Members of Congress. Liberation Times can confirm that the roundtable will be hosted by the @UAPDF, an organisation advocating for transparency on UAP. https://t.co/CmvMwoQtxk

— Christopher Sharp (@ChrisUKSharp) April 18, 2025

HUGE NEWS:

Moment of Contact is officially live on YouTube across all three territories — meaning it’s free and available to hundreds of millions of people. Please help spread the word. Also, updates coming soon for The Program!

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— James Fox (@jamescfox) April 18, 2025

How many other whistle blowers have come out since Grusch?

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Completely understandable.

That said, if rumors/intel are to be believed, our government basically transferred most materials and oversight responsibilities to the aerospace sector - namely Lockheed Martin - at some point during the late '60s/early '70s, as to avoid things like the Freedom of Information Act and other prying eyes. In other words, our government is still in charge, but apparently *very* few people in the government itself actually know about these programs. Like, literally only a select few, and only select Presidents, as this stuff has mostly been buried deep in various aerospace skunkworks programs, using all kinds of shell companies and black budgets.

I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying that would partly explain how the secret was able to be kept for decades, without all kinds of government officials being in on it.

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Well said. This is has kind of been my take for a while, but you laid it out cleary.

Hey gang, DANNY here:

While I was in Washington, D.C. this past week, I had the opportunity to meet directly with David Grusch, the now-historic whistleblower whose July 2023 testimony launched a new era of Congressional engagement on the UAP issue. I’ve known David for several…

— Daniel Sheehan (@danielsheehan45) April 19, 2025

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Hey gang, DANNY here:

While I was in Washington, D.C. this past week, I had the opportunity to meet directly with David Grusch, the now-historic whistleblower whose July 2023 testimony launched a new era of Congressional engagement on the UAP issue. I've known David for several years, having been introduced to him by @LueElizondo, and I'm pleased to report that the @NewParadigmInst has been recognized by Grusch as a key civilian resource group.

Grusch shared with me that he is currently working to assemble a dedicated UAP expert for each of the 11 members of the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, with the ultimate goal of forming an official UAP working group inside the Task Force. This represents a bold and strategic step forward, and we're honored to be playing an active role in this process.

As part of this growing collaboration, we'll also help craft and circulate a Congressional Transparency Pledge. This pledge is a formal commitment that lawmakers will be asked to sign, declaring their support for full transparency on UFO/UAP-related matters. We'll publicly report which members sign the pledge and which do not.

This news comes as Grusch officially joins @RepEricBurlison's staff to assist in UFO/UAP-related oversight. While initially reported by journalist @MattLaslo of @AskaPol_UAPs, we can now confirm firsthand that Grusch is working from the inside to guide lawmakers through the maze of Unacknowledged Special Access Programs (USAPs) that have long eluded Congressional scrutiny.

You may recall Grusch's groundbreaking 2023 testimony before the House Oversight Committee, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." His allegations of secret crash retrieval programs and deep resistance within the Intelligence Community sparked a surge of legislative and investigative interest.

Now, with direct access to lawmakers and a strategic vision for change, Grusch is uniquely positioned to help Congress ask the right questions, target the correct agencies, and finally begin to unravel the layers of secrecy that have clouded this issue for decades.

Danny Sheehan
President and Chief Counsel
The New Paradigm Institute

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One? Jake Barber? Although 'informant' might be more accurate.

I suspect there have been a few more whistle blowers that have come forth, but all of them are now either promoted or terrified.

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Tony Ferraro, but he provided stories to Stephen Greer without any real or tangible evidence. Greer has been in the profitable UAP/UFO business for 30 years, but hasn't provided anything other than trust me bro stories and fuzzy pictures. In 30 years since Greer has been in the UAP business there really hasn't been anything tangible or definitive proof that there are extraterrestrial UAP's.

🚨This Meteorite has a helping hand from a UFO🛸!🚨

Here is some more Excellent vision of the Bolide Meteor that was captured over Mexico City on 16th April, 2025!

You can see in both Videos there is a UFO that appears & Clearly has an affect on the Meteor!! pic.twitter.com/hh0Xuc2GDU

— Wicksie (@UfoBloke) April 20, 2025

🧃 Australian news accidentally confirms telepathy tapes as real https://t.co/BuAH77dpQm

— 💭 think tank (@528vibes) April 21, 2025

There's been a lot of buzz surrounding this interview for a while now, and Michels has finally released it. Malmgren died in February, not long after the interview was conducted, and it sounds like Michels held it back for a few weeks out of respect. I haven't watched it myself yet (it's nearly four hours long!), but definitely looking forward to doing so. You want more credible whistleblowers? Here you go...

🚨Former Presidential Advisor Reveals He Directly Handled UFO Material🚨

A 27 year old Harald Malmgren (@Halsrethink) literally saved the world from nuclear catastrophe during The Cuban Missile Crisis when Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and President JFK asked him to “buy… pic.twitter.com/ZCwpW4Ji2M

— Jesse Michels (@AlchemyAmerican) April 22, 2025

This is a profoundly important interview - a must-watch revelation from the courageous fmr JFK Presidential advisor Harald Malmgren determined to tell his story in the last days of his life. An historic admission of suppressed UFO UAP knowledge: https://t.co/APrtbfHgIO via…

— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) April 22, 2025

RIP Harald Malmgren, an American hero who served (and saved) human civilization, and whose final gift was sharing his first-hand knowledge regarding non-human intelligence and related technologies.

A special person given a unique mission in life, which he ably fulfilled.

👇 https://t.co/e8pRRLtpj9

— Matthew Pines (@matthew_pines) April 22, 2025

In a compelling interview with Jesse Michels, Harald Malmgren, former JFK advisor and Cuban Missile Crisis figure, shared insights before passing. He discussed handling UFO material, CIA briefings on crash retrievals, and JFK’s UFO interest.#UAP #JFK https://t.co/zWUaJCTgnW pic.twitter.com/Y1ZyZeJGCn

— Dr. MG UAP (@DrMGUAP) April 22, 2025

These are very impressive UFO revelations by a former Presidential Advisor, Harald Malmgren. Agree with many of his observations concerning JFK's knowledge of UFOs before he became President and the existence of the MJ-12 Special Studies Group. Glad an interview was recorded… https://t.co/m28gTSvTav

— Michael Salla (@MichaelSalla) April 22, 2025

Richard Bissell, architect of Area 51, confirmed the Magenta UFO crash of 1933 to Harald Malmgren.

This was long before Dave Grusch had confirmed the research of Roberto Pinotti and @PaoloGuiz56 https://t.co/Uw7iz9tefg

— Christopher Sharp (@ChrisUKSharp) April 22, 2025

Join us online and in-person for a historic event! On May 1st, we will present an experts panel briefing on UAP to Members of Congress, titled "Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation". Watch the event live-streamed. Limited seating is available to the public… pic.twitter.com/hYTDEiYOug

— UAP Disclosure Fund (@UAPDF) April 23, 2025

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ABOUT THE ROUNDTABLE PANEL

The UAP Disclosure Fund (UAPDF), in collaboration with the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, is hosting a pivotal congressional briefing titled "Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation." The session will take place at 11:30am ET on May 1, 2025, in Rayburn House Office Building, Room 2247.

The open, livestreamed event will feature Members of Congress and leading experts who will offer a sciencedriven perspective on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), formerly known as unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Discussions will examine the implications of UAP for science, national security, and innovation.

NOTE: Limited seating will be available for members of the public on a first-come, first-serve basis.

The livestream will be available here.


PARTICIPANTS

Science Panel
Dr. Avi Loeb, PhD - Frank B. Baird, Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard University; Principal Investigator, Galileo Project; Founding Director, Harvard's Black Hole Initiative.
Dr. Eric Davis, PhD - Theoretical and applied physicist; Senior Science Advisor at Earthtech; Former researcher at the Aerospace Corporation.
Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, U.S. Navy (ret.), PhD - UAPDF Advisory Board Member; Former NOAA Administrator; Former Oceanographer of the Navy; PhD, Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

National Security Panel
Christopher Mellon - UAPDF Board Member; Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence; Former Staff Director, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Kirk McConnell - UAPDF Advisory Board Member; Former Senior Professional Staff Member, Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees.

Innovation Panel
Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez, PhD - Founding Partner, American DeepTech; Former SBA Innovation Advisor; Kauffman Fellow.
Mike Gold - President, Civil and International Space, Redwire; Member of the NASA UAP Independent Study Team; Former NASA Associate Administrator for Space Policy and Partnerships; Former Acting Associate Administrator for the Office of International and Interagency Relations, and Senior Advisor the Administrator for International and Legal Affairs; Former Vice President for Civil Space, MAXAR Technologies; Former Director of DC Operations and Business Growth, Bigelow Aerospace; J.D., University of Pennsylvania Law School.

Moderator
Luis Elizondo - UAPDF Board Member; Former Head, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP); Former DoD Intelligence Official.

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Spent 4 hours today listening to the entire interview. Freaking amazing insight and perspective to a man who has probably seen it all. RIP Harald. Not going to lie... that intro teared me up.

Man, that's awesome to hear. Will try and watch soon.

Alright, I'm halfway through the interview now and yeah some of these claims so far are incredible. All coming from one of the most objectively credible "witnesses" ever, one who is corroborating and filling in the blanks of a number of other rumors and reports over the years as well.

I totally get that not a single whistleblower has presented irrefutable proof yet. When you look at each claim/case in a vacuum, I can at least understand reserving judgment until proof is finally able to be presented.

But when you factor in their collective credibility, along with the corroborative story they're all telling - from high-ranking officials to pilots to congressmen, and especially now with Malmgren's claims - I just don't understand how an otherwise open-minded person can't bring themselves to admit there's likely a there there.

In fact, if this were a trial/court case, a jury would have already ruled in favor of the existence of NHI/UAP on Earth based on the caliber/quality of witness testimony and circumstantial evidence alone.

If anything, the Magenta story Malmgren tells, along with the whole, historical web surrounding it, is now one I want to make a movie out of. It's like The Da Vinci Code meets The X-Files meets a World War II flick, and is so endlessly fascinating to me.

Very interesting.

UFO's don't start to be discussed until 57:45 or so into it. Up until then it is a lot of personal background and self aggrandizing.

Around the 1:15:46 mark he starts to discuss his handling of UFO material and his description of it.

Around 1:26 - Lockheed Martin was mentioned as possibly assisting in reverse engineering.

Around 1:30 - talks about surviving "being" interview. This "being" provided assistance.

Around 1:33 - Mentions collaboration with David Grusch.

I haven't gotten through the rest of it, but he also mentions the Vatican, knights of Malta, etc. Hard to discern what may have been fantasy and actual history. I am surprised how many people may have been involved, and yet kept under wraps for so long. Also, the narrator goes on extensive descriptions of "how it happened" around 1:40, almost like he was there and we should just accept all of that. So they say the Knights of Malta and catholic church were involved.

Also, he was working on a book around 1:47, but I am assuming he didn't get the chance to finish it.

I am not saying I believe everything he is stating, just parroting and letting others know what he went to for the first half of it.

Awesome, thanks for the time stamps. And yeah, I ended up fast forwarding through some of that first hour myself.

Re: Michels reporting as if he were there, he tends to do that at times. That said, he's incredibly well read/researched, and usually only speaks in those terms when what he's saying has been corroborated by multiple sources. Like you, I'm not saying it's all true, but he's definitely not speaking out of his ass either.

What happened in Magenta, Italy, 1933? Apparently a craft crashed and an actual craft recovered, documented by Mussolini’s own secret organization: RS/33 Cabinet, with oversight from none other than Guglielmo Marconi himself. A disc-shaped craft, silent, metallic, recovered under… pic.twitter.com/nzVsaVhD0i

— Jason Wilde (@JasonWilde108) April 23, 2025

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What happened in Magenta, Italy, 1933? Apparently a craft crashed and an actual craft recovered, documented by Mussolini's own secret organization: RS/33 Cabinet, with oversight from none other than Guglielmo Marconi himself. A disc-shaped craft, silent, metallic, recovered under military lockdown and hidden deep inside fascist Italy. And now, 90 years later, we finally have corroboration...not just from documents, but from Harald Malmgren, a former presidential advisor, who confirmed its reality during a classified briefing. And it lines up exactly with what David Grusch said under oath: that crash retrievals didn't start in America...they started in Europe.

A respected intelligence insider (Malmgren) confirms that the Magenta crash was real. Not a myth. Not speculation. A real craft, recovered by real governments...long before Truman, Roswell, or MJ-12. The documents from RS/33 show Mussolini ordering a cover-up, describing the craft, and referring to it as a non-human technology to be investigated in secret. Handwriting, stamps, formatting....all consistent with 1930s Italian government materials. No known forger has ever debunked them. It's all been hiding in plain sight.

Then Grusch, decades later, and tells Congress the exact same thing. That crash retrievals began before WWII, and that the first recovery was not American... it was Axis. That secret handovers may have happened via Vatican channels to American intelligence, where it gets buried again under Cold War secrecy. This is where Majestic-12, reverse-engineering programs, and the secret "core secrets" that Grusch referenced actually began.

It makes sense when you step back. Mussolini's regime...obsessed with power, secrecy, and superiority...finds something unexplainable. They lock it away. They build an internal program (RS/33) to study it. Then after WWII, the tech...or at least the knowledge....is handed off through Vatican intermediaries to American intelligence, where it gets buried again under Cold War secrecy. This is where Majestic-12, reverse-engineering programs, and the secret "core secrets" that Grusch referenced actually began.

It looks like Roswell was just the public leak. But Magenta was the genesis. The real modern start. A silent disc in a northern Italian field that no one was allowed to talk about...until now...on their death bed. Between RS/33 documents, Malmgren's quiet confirmation, and Grusch's explosive testimony, the story is coming full circle. This happened. And the longer people ignore it, the more obvious it becomes that we're not uncovering a mystery.

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For those who can't do the four-hour watch, one of the best in the business, the always-level-headed Richard Dolan, gives a great, 36-minute summary of the Malmgren interview below. He doesn't get into everything, but definitely touches on all the highlights, and adds some nice context as well...

I have to think Malmgren knew his time was short at the time of the interview. But who knows as to whether he wanted to build his legacy by possibly embellishing or creating some experiences, or if he only wanted his truth to come out before he kicked the bucket. Maybe the release of the JFK files might mention his visit to the Bluegill missile testing site and JFK's interest in the tag along that reportedly crashed. Maybe Rep. Burlison could check into that.

IMO Jesse Michels appears to be the most level-headed and does real research . He seemed to call out Greer a couple of times in his recent interview on Greer's shaky evidence. Greer doesn't like to be questioned. I don't think Michels creates these outlandish conspiracies and made-up stories like say Stephen Greer and Corbell. Greer acts like he is the smartest guy in the room and thinks he can pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Corbell is high drama and to me a big self promoter.

Jesse Michels is by far the most level headed, scientifically astute, and curious podcaster out there when it comes to this subject. Nobody really comes close.

Immaculate Constellation. It is time. UFO whistleblower goes public.

HIGH-NOON PST on WEAPONIZED.

Launching here : https://t.co/RzqN2e6dTl

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In 2024, an enigmatic term began to percolate among a small group of UAP investigators. The name was "Immaculate Constellation."… pic.twitter.com/eFBO1qYrR9

— Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell (@JeremyCorbell) April 29, 2025

I've voiced my annoyance with Corbell numerous times in this thread, but I knocked this interview out while getting some other stuff done this afternoon and props to him and Knapp for delivering. Because here we have yet another highly credible whistleblower I absolutely recommend listening to. This one, you can even hear the trepidation/fear in his voice at times about coming forward. That said, it's part one of a three-part interview, so we're only getting started in terms info/revelations, as a lot of this interview is merely background and setting the stage. Definitely looking forward to what's next...

UFO whistleblower Mathew Brown describes an image he saw in the Immaculate Constellation files of an encounter Russian Ships had with a Large black triangle craft

Source -Weaponized
Link in comments

MB -“the image itself was unique. This isn't by a plane or a satellite. It.… pic.twitter.com/UhKoJfvmbK

— neandrewthal (@disgustipated42) April 29, 2025

Immaculate Constellation whistleblower Matthew Brown: “This isn't just technology… Fundamentally, this comes from - and is secondary to - what we've been told is the biggest question, which is, Is humanity alone? The answer is no, and the secrecy that has been defended is at the… pic.twitter.com/RxvHBaMcQy

— UAP Juan (@planethunter56) April 29, 2025

Matthew Brown describes a triangular craft appearing over the Russian Navy. pic.twitter.com/A7tJhQ2uWG

— Estimate of The Situation (@EOTS_Comic) April 29, 2025

Former U.S. official Matthew Brown has gone public as the whistleblower behind the Immaculate Constellation leak and is urging others to join him in demanding truth and accountability on classified UAP programs being hidden by the U.S. government.https://t.co/B04YUVHEOR https://t.co/Fcxm0CHxu7 pic.twitter.com/QqEymcswqk

— Disclosure Party (@disclosureorg) April 29, 2025

NEW: UFO Whistleblower Goes Public —
Immaculate Constellation Source Speaks

Matthew Brown, fmr Under Secretary of Defense for Intel contractor, discovered “anomalous, exotic & unexplainable” UAP videos up to 45min long.

“It’s either something else, or we have been left behind.” pic.twitter.com/UycLhsXZAf

— UAP James (@UAPJames) April 29, 2025

Wow.

Immaculate Constellation whistleblower Matthew Brown presents as profoundly thoughtful, credible, and as a genuine patriot.

He MUST testify before Congress. https://t.co/dr0j9RsWJE

— MarikvR (@MvonRen) April 29, 2025

Secretary Rubio, Senator Gillibrand, and Senator Warner are aware of the Legacy UFO/UAP Program and that it has been operating for over half a century.

According to Immaculate Constellation whistleblower Matthew Brown, he was privy to classified transcripts of a briefing(s) -… pic.twitter.com/63pPN91GlZ

— Aquarian (@AquarianGG) April 29, 2025

Orbs Keep Visiting Nuclear Sites.

New whistleblower Matthew Brown says these orbs no bigger than a Cessna, often white or silver are being seen at “Anything sufficiently nuclear”.

Always nuclear sites… but why? pic.twitter.com/3XBMITkBMm

— Holly Wood (@thatuapgirl) April 29, 2025

Fascinating interview by @JeremyCorbell and @g_knapp. This clip is particularly telling… https://t.co/aokuPGwzst

— Jesse Michels (@AlchemyAmerican) April 29, 2025

Another credible testimony of large objects, in this particular instance a large triangle craft, "materializing" as if emerging out of thin air from another dimension…..as a group of the contacted (Russians) "knew" to be in the middle of the aquatic nowhere.

Patterns. They are present, across time and environment. As with Bigfoot and other cryptids.

Our materialist understanding is consistently being bled into. The phenomenon is fundamentally spiritual. There are other worlds.

There sure are a lot of past/present/future UFO whistleblowers, or whatever title you want to give them, that all say similar things for many decades. It’s no longer objective to say they are lying or have UFOBrain & while they may be wrong about details, it’s also no longer…

— Danny Silva (@SilvaRecord) April 30, 2025

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There sure are a lot of past/present/future UFO whistleblowers, or whatever title you want to give them, that all say similar things for many decades. It's no longer objective to say they are lying or have UFOBrain & while they may be wrong about details, it's also no longer objective to say they are all wrong. The only objective conclusions that seem to be left are they were all set up or they are correct.

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Redstone, and others who share some of his beliefs, check out Lee Strobel's new book, "Seeing The Supernatural". No UFOs, but faith based research and explanations of other things that defy traditional science.

Mind blowing stuff. Thanks AGAIN for making it so easily accessible to all of us.

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Redstone, and others who share some of his beliefs, check out Lee Strobel's new book, "Seeing The Supernatural". No UFOs, but faith based research and explanations of other things that defy traditional science.

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I'm about finished listening to Ross Douthat's recent book "Believe", mentioned earlier in this thread. Douthat addresses materialist arguments against religious belief. While he doesn't dwell on UFO/UAP topics specifically, the range of spiritual and religious experiences is vast and includes everything we've talked about here. It's been a great read.