Jason Kelly gone

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LB12MEEN said:

This thread has gone off the rails.

Agree. Sorry Annie gave me an opening. Just can't believe the pms I get with words I can't say. Over Aggie baseball. And I have never made a personal attack. But my wife of 38 years has told me I can piss people off by breathing.
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Hopefully, Michael Earley hires a great pitching coach and finds goods pitchers in the transfer portal.
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Cheers to you Derm!

Ohh the personal attacks. That's just a sign of the individual that uses them.

I like that many don't agree. That's what makes the world great. It would be boring if we all thought the same.

But people taking things personally. Maybe they should not be on here.
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LB12MEEN said:

Cheers to you Derm!

Ohh the personal attacks. That's just a sign of the individual that uses them.

I like that many don't agree. That's what makes the world great. It would be boring if we all thought the same.

But people taking things personally. Maybe they should not be on here.

I have extremely thick skin. Maybe I need a Dermdoc?
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91AggieLawyer said:

TarponChaser said:

Mario Magic said:

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LB12MEEN said:

Rule#2 said:

Firing the wrong coach. This is the equivalent of scapegoating coordinators in football.

Yes

but at least it's getting done this year so the firing of the coordinator cannot be used next year.

And pitching was not the reason we lost last night.


No, but it is the reason we weren't a higher seed that could have gotten a much easier regional.

It was pretty obvious that the team started pressing. Knowing you HAVE to score 8-10 runs to win every night takes its toll over the long haul. Good pitching beats good hitting.



If you couldn't tell watching those guys and their ABs the last two games and tell that they were pressing then you don't know baseball.

When you have 2 season-ending injuries before the season really got started to pitchers expected to be studs, another expected stud from the portal not make it to campus because of off-field legal issues, and another guy who was supposed to be a big contributor on the bump turn out to be a head case, and then our ace goes down 3 weeks ago we were cooked. The 34-man roster really kills pitching depth. We don't see what the freshmen arms do in practice but the 2025 class had some big-time arms that didn't show up like expected, but maybe the plan was for them to RS and develop all along because we were looking good before the injuries hit.


Then why was the pitching coach fired yesterday if injuries were our true reason for not winning more?


Semantics, but not having your contract extended isn't the same thing as being fired.

We were going to have a woefully thin pitching staff even before those injuries/dismissals occurred, and that is largely on Kelly. The injuries just made awhat was going to be a very average staff dreadful.

With what he was given, I dont think Kelly did an AWFUL job. Maybe a C+. But we can do better.
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I'm a huge sun shine pumper and probably one of Earley's biggest advocates. Stayed two hours after the Missouri game last year to tell him that I'm behind him and support him. And that didn't change after this year.
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91AggieLawyer said:

TarponChaser said:

Mario Magic said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

LB12MEEN said:

Rule#2 said:

Firing the wrong coach. This is the equivalent of scapegoating coordinators in football.

Yes

but at least it's getting done this year so the firing of the coordinator cannot be used next year.

And pitching was not the reason we lost last night.


No, but it is the reason we weren't a higher seed that could have gotten a much easier regional.

It was pretty obvious that the team started pressing. Knowing you HAVE to score 8-10 runs to win every night takes its toll over the long haul. Good pitching beats good hitting.



If you couldn't tell watching those guys and their ABs the last two games and tell that they were pressing then you don't know baseball.

When you have 2 season-ending injuries before the season really got started to pitchers expected to be studs, another expected stud from the portal not make it to campus because of off-field legal issues, and another guy who was supposed to be a big contributor on the bump turn out to be a head case, and then our ace goes down 3 weeks ago we were cooked. The 34-man roster really kills pitching depth. We don't see what the freshmen arms do in practice but the 2025 class had some big-time arms that didn't show up like expected, but maybe the plan was for them to RS and develop all along because we were looking good before the injuries hit.


Then why was the pitching coach fired yesterday if injuries were our true reason for not winning more?


I said injuries to the staff are why we were so thin not why we didn't win more.

Ultimately, I think it's a lack of mental focus and toughness by the pitching staff and that will fall on the pitching coach to a large extent. He's a snake but that's one thing Weiner is really good at and that's the mental side. Without knowing more you can also fault Kelly for pitch selection at times but then I don't know a coach in the world that's going to call for a middle-middle fastball with a 2-1 count or a cement-mixer slider on 0-2.

Looking at the season stats K/9 and WHIP were pretty solid at 9.3 and 1.41.

In 2024 was 10.8 and 1.26, respectively. In 2025 K/9 and WHIP were 9.56 and 1.27.

In 2024 we gave up 219 walks; 2025 - 151 walks; and 155 walks in 2026.

The big difference is HR surrendered- 90 in 2026, 61 in 2025, and 83 in 2024.

What that tells me is that, like others have mentioned, we made too many singular mistake pitches that ended up as nukes. Other than going back and mining every single game's play-by-play I don't know how to verify this but it damn sure felt like we had way too many cases of our pitchers getting ahead in the count and giving up a 2-strike cookie.

To me, that indicates a lack of mental focus and mental toughness to finish guys out and not a problem with their stuff. As you can see as an indicator of their mental makeup, Freshcorn only gave up 6 nukes in 54.1 IP, while Moss gave up 17 in 64.1 IP and Sdao gave up 16 in 71.2 IP.
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Joe Deertay said:

I'm a huge sun shine pumper and probably one of Earley's biggest advocates. Stayed two hours after the Missouri game last year to tell him that I'm behind him and support him. And that didn't change after this year.

I think Coach Earley is a rising star.
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When you get down by too many runs in early innings, it changes the batter mentality and creates desperate situations. Batters get out of their game. Dont have those bad-pitcher innings and we are still in it.
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hsjnlssmith89 said:

When you get down by too many runs in early innings, it changes the batter mentality and creates desperate situations. Batters get out of their game. Dont have those bad-pitcher innings and we are still in it.


That doesn't explain the first 6 innings of the last game or all the zeroes in the 3 that followed Freshcorn giving out at a heroic 100 something pitches. It's complete nonsense. It was USC's 5th game of the week too, and the guy that pitched the middle innings for them had an ERA around 5 and gave up more runs to Lamar than he did to us.

I don't follow the logic here at all. When Montgomery was injured in 2024, the team didn't pack it in and give up in the postseason.

When Stilson and his 1.20 something ERA was injured before the 2011 postseason, the team didn't call it quits either. They won a road super regional to go to Omaha because there were around EIGHT ADDITIONAL pitchers on that roster that ended up playing professional and could get outs. Or the season where we lost AJ Minter before conference play after 4 starts....and still had a 3.04 team ERA for 3rd best in the conference and the 2 most strikeouts in the conference.

The coaching staff replacements either mean you're scapegoating or making necessary changes, but if you're making those changes this quickly and they're needed, I don't see how it's evidence of anything other than lack of experience in being a head coach.

And that's what's frustrating about this to me. We did this before with Coach Childress, but even then, we didn't break the bank for it. I think we're experiencing growing pains while an assistant coach learns to be head coach, and I don't think we had to go that route.

I would agree that injuries decimated the overly optimistic expectations of last season, and to an extent limited the potential of this year's team as well. But so far we have:

-An almost universal agreement on poor staffing decisions
-An offense that was the worst in the league in Year 1, hitting .260 (worse than our weakened bat era Childress teams).
-A pitching staff that gave up the most home runs and had the 2nd least strikeouts in 2026
-Two completely non-competitive baseball games to end the year (except for a heroic effort by Freshcorn)
-A reliance on a few guys to prop up an entire roster either offensively or on the pitching staff
-People somehow repeating the mantra that the mindset and focus was off when it mattered most...which is a type of preparation that lies significantly with the head coach. How you believe your team wasn't focused and you place that blame entirely on the players is bizarre to me.
-2 seasons where I don't think anyone believes we reached the potential of the team

And on top of that, Grahovac and Sorrell are leaving and accounted for a significant amount of what made this offense work. Those 2 guys were a combined 38% of our home runs, 32% of our RBI, and 35% of our extra base hits. Replacing them, even in aggregate, is a tall task.

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Which tells me next year will make it crystal clear to those that cannot see it now.
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dermdoc said:

Joe Deertay said:

I'm a huge sun shine pumper and probably one of Earley's biggest advocates. Stayed two hours after the Missouri game last year to tell him that I'm behind him and support him. And that didn't change after this year.

I think Coach Earley is a rising star.
I encourage him to keep rising…Earley……er?!?
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If Earley is a rising star, maybe he just needs 8 to 10 years like the tennis coach. Let's watch and see! I'll wait, will you?
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AGDAD14 said:

If Earley is a rising star, maybe he just needs 8 to 10 years like the tennis coach. Let's watch and see! I'll wait, will you?


If you guarantee winning the SEC regular season 5 years in a row and two national championships and one runner up. I will wait.
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Joe Deertay said:

I'm a huge sun shine pumper and probably one of Earley's biggest advocates. Stayed two hours after the Missouri game last year to tell him that I'm behind him and support him. And that didn't change after this year.


Which Missouri game(s)? All of them?
 
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