techno-ag said:

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woodiewood1 said:

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Bob Yancy said:

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Here's all the detail you can shake a stick at. Item 7.4, Page 121 of 346 in the recently posted agenda packet for an unusual Council Meeting this Monday due to Thanksgiving.

To the other poster, yes, both cities ultimately.
To the other poster, yes, temporary- but many years.
To the other poster, yes, the pain of progress begins.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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It just means people will drive 70 to 75 mph rather than 80 to 85 mph,

We will see the # of serious injury accidents go down greatly,

The city should station two police cars on the stretch of roadway at all times, Fund the budget and reduce property taxes!!!

As a person who had a good friend who worked on a roadway construction site and got killed by a speeding driver, I am all for safety, People can get home or destination 5 to 10 minutes later than normal and still continue their life,

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Lower speed limits don't stop wrecks. Look at the OSR where it's 60 all the way. It's arguably more dangerous at that lower speed limit because people are always going faster and running up against slower traffic.

Just the other day two wrecks happened the same morning out there. The second one was a cop passing two slower cars going the speed limit and they hit another car going in the opposite direction head on.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of accidents goes up on the bypass during this time.

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There are many, many studies online that conclude that lowering of speed limits reduces the number of serious injury accidents and fatalities. I don't know about basic wrecks like a fender bender,

"Texas statewide data shows that speeding is a major contributing factor to traffic fatalities, and a direct correlation exists between higher speed limits and fatality rates. Data from the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) indicates that speeding was a factor in 35% of all traffic crash fatalities in Texas in 2024, resulting in 1,467 deaths. Studies also show that for every 5 mph increase in the maximum speed limit, there is an associated 8% increase in fatality rates on interstates and a 4% increase on other roads."

woodiewood1 said:

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techno-ag said:

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woodiewood1 said:

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Bob Yancy said:

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Here's all the detail you can shake a stick at. Item 7.4, Page 121 of 346 in the recently posted agenda packet for an unusual Council Meeting this Monday due to Thanksgiving.

To the other poster, yes, both cities ultimately.
To the other poster, yes, temporary- but many years.
To the other poster, yes, the pain of progress begins.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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It just means people will drive 70 to 75 mph rather than 80 to 85 mph,

We will see the # of serious injury accidents go down greatly,

The city should station two police cars on the stretch of roadway at all times, Fund the budget and reduce property taxes!!!

As a person who had a good friend who worked on a roadway construction site and got killed by a speeding driver, I am all for safety, People can get home or destination 5 to 10 minutes later than normal and still continue their life,

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Lower speed limits don't stop wrecks. Look at the OSR where it's 60 all the way. It's arguably more dangerous at that lower speed limit because people are always going faster and running up against slower traffic.

Just the other day two wrecks happened the same morning out there. The second one was a cop passing two slower cars going the speed limit and they hit another car going in the opposite direction head on.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of accidents goes up on the bypass during this time.

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There are many, many studies online that conclude that lowering of speed limits reduces the number of serious injury accidents and fatalities. I don't know about basic wrecks like a fender bender,

"Texas statewide data shows that speeding is a major contributing factor to traffic fatalities, and a direct correlation exists between higher speed limits and fatality rates. Data from the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) indicates that speeding was a factor in 35% of all traffic crash fatalities in Texas in 2024, resulting in 1,467 deaths. Studies also show that for every 5 mph increase in the maximum speed limit, there is an associated 8% increase in fatality rates on interstates and a 4% increase on other roads."

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We no longer have different day and night speed limits because some people just drove the regular speed at night while others slowed down. The safest are roads with consistent speeds that are reasonable.

This is also the reason different speed limits for trucks were eliminated.

tu ag said:

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What will the future be like when they are done?

1 - we will all be dead.
2 - AI robots will rule the world

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And the construction they just completed will already be obsolete

woodiewood1 said:

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There are many, many studies online that conclude that lowering of speed limits reduces the number of serious injury accidents and fatalities. I don't know about basic wrecks like a fender bender,

"Texas statewide data shows that speeding is a major contributing factor to traffic fatalities, and a direct correlation exists between higher speed limits and fatality rates. Data from the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) indicates that speeding was a factor in 35% of all traffic crash fatalities in Texas in 2024, resulting in 1,467 deaths. Studies also show that for every 5 mph increase in the maximum speed limit, there is an associated 8% increase in fatality rates on interstates and a 4% increase on other roads."

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The physics agree with you. Kinetic Energy = 1/2mv^2 (v=velocity, m=mass)

Increasing the velocity of any moving vehicle will square the energy. The greater the energy the more damage an impact will produce

techno-ag said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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You are comparing OSR to large divided four-lane Highway 6?

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The speed limits, yes. I understand 6 is going down to 60.

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But you aren't on a 2-lane road that when passing someone you have traffic coming head-on at you. Those seem to be mostly the accidents on OSR as stated one of the most recent ones.

There's a groundbreaking event tomorrow at Central Park at noon for the project, dubbed the "Big 6" by TxDOT. It's open to the public or you can see it on the news to hear more.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

Just to add some common sense to the actual effect of this:
From the Speedway overpass to 2818 in bryan, it is 19 miles.

At 70 MPH it takes 16.17 minutes
At 60 MPH it takes 19 minutes


So let the wailing and gnashing of teeth commence over a worst case of someone driving that entire distance taking less than a minutes more

Since Rusty is the MC I'll just tune in at 6 and 10. I'm sure it will properly reflect all the puff.

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Just to add some common sense to the actual effect of this:
From the Speedway overpass to 2818 in bryan, it is 19 miles.

At 70 MPH it takes 16.17 minutes
At 60 MPH it takes 19 minutes


So let the wailing and gnashing of teeth commence over a worst case of someone driving that entire distance taking less than a minutes more

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Unless it's 7:30 to 8:30 am or 4:30 to 6:30 pm


Then it takes 20+ minutes alone to go from university to Barron road

Well I guess it's going to be like that for the next 15 years. We all know that there is no road construction that comes even close to the given deadline. Be nice if they would start back charging these companies for every month they exceed the timeframe given.

techno-ag said:

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woodiewood1 said:

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techno-ag said:

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woodiewood1 said:

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Bob Yancy said:

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Here's all the detail you can shake a stick at. Item 7.4, Page 121 of 346 in the recently posted agenda packet for an unusual Council Meeting this Monday due to Thanksgiving.

To the other poster, yes, both cities ultimately.
To the other poster, yes, temporary- but many years.
To the other poster, yes, the pain of progress begins.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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It just means people will drive 70 to 75 mph rather than 80 to 85 mph,

We will see the # of serious injury accidents go down greatly,

The city should station two police cars on the stretch of roadway at all times, Fund the budget and reduce property taxes!!!

As a person who had a good friend who worked on a roadway construction site and got killed by a speeding driver, I am all for safety, People can get home or destination 5 to 10 minutes later than normal and still continue their life,

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Lower speed limits don't stop wrecks. Look at the OSR where it's 60 all the way. It's arguably more dangerous at that lower speed limit because people are always going faster and running up against slower traffic.

Just the other day two wrecks happened the same morning out there. The second one was a cop passing two slower cars going the speed limit and they hit another car going in the opposite direction head on.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of accidents goes up on the bypass during this time.

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There are many, many studies online that conclude that lowering of speed limits reduces the number of serious injury accidents and fatalities. I don't know about basic wrecks like a fender bender,

"Texas statewide data shows that speeding is a major contributing factor to traffic fatalities, and a direct correlation exists between higher speed limits and fatality rates. Data from the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) indicates that speeding was a factor in 35% of all traffic crash fatalities in Texas in 2024, resulting in 1,467 deaths. Studies also show that for every 5 mph increase in the maximum speed limit, there is an associated 8% increase in fatality rates on interstates and a 4% increase on other roads."

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We no longer have different day and night speed limits because some people just drove the regular speed at night while others slowed down. The safest are roads with consistent speeds that are reasonable.

This is also the reason different speed limits for trucks were eliminated.

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A consistent 60 mph flow of cars will result in fewer serious injuries and fatalities than a consistent flow of traffic at 70 to 85 mph, To me 60 mph, which means to most people 65 to 70 mph, is plenty fast when driving through construction zones,

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Just to add some common sense to the actual effect of this:
From the Speedway overpass to 2818 in bryan, it is 19 miles.

At 70 MPH it takes 16.17 minutes
At 60 MPH it takes 19 minutes


So let the wailing and gnashing of teeth commence over a worst case of someone driving that entire distance taking less than a minutes more

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You are missing the point. At 90 MPH is will take 13minutes. ; )

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I'm telling you, flying vehicles. Save billions on construction and repair of roads. Cities can demo the roads and prep the land for sale for residential development. City governments can lower taxes from the savings and land sale. Land supply increases and price drops to be more reasonable.

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The famously terrible drivers of BCS in flying vehicles. Just begs for Yakkety Sax on full loop as they slam into each other, buildings, and the ground non-stop.

Bob Yancy said:

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There's a short YouTube video on this page that is extremely informative- entertaining even. In two minutes you'll get the gist.

And, there's about 22 miles of bike and pedestrian paths as a part of this project… 11 miles in either direction, I think. Bike riders will be able to go from north Bryan to south College Station safely- for those of you that are into that sort of thing.

https://www.txdot.gov/projects/projects-studies/bryan/sh6-central-bcs.html

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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who will bike from north Bryan to S. CS in July and August? Nobody. Nobody is the answer to the question. How much, exactly, is the state paying for a bike paths that will get practically no use?

Who is the contractor and in what way is he connected to the decision makers at TxDOT or someone in TXLeg?

What a farce.

woodiewood1 said:

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techno-ag said:

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woodiewood1 said:

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techno-ag said:

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woodiewood1 said:

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Bob Yancy said:

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Here's all the detail you can shake a stick at. Item 7.4, Page 121 of 346 in the recently posted agenda packet for an unusual Council Meeting this Monday due to Thanksgiving.

To the other poster, yes, both cities ultimately.
To the other poster, yes, temporary- but many years.
To the other poster, yes, the pain of progress begins.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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It just means people will drive 70 to 75 mph rather than 80 to 85 mph,

We will see the # of serious injury accidents go down greatly,

The city should station two police cars on the stretch of roadway at all times, Fund the budget and reduce property taxes!!!

As a person who had a good friend who worked on a roadway construction site and got killed by a speeding driver, I am all for safety, People can get home or destination 5 to 10 minutes later than normal and still continue their life,

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Lower speed limits don't stop wrecks. Look at the OSR where it's 60 all the way. It's arguably more dangerous at that lower speed limit because people are always going faster and running up against slower traffic.

Just the other day two wrecks happened the same morning out there. The second one was a cop passing two slower cars going the speed limit and they hit another car going in the opposite direction head on.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of accidents goes up on the bypass during this time.

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There are many, many studies online that conclude that lowering of speed limits reduces the number of serious injury accidents and fatalities. I don't know about basic wrecks like a fender bender,

"Texas statewide data shows that speeding is a major contributing factor to traffic fatalities, and a direct correlation exists between higher speed limits and fatality rates. Data from the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) indicates that speeding was a factor in 35% of all traffic crash fatalities in Texas in 2024, resulting in 1,467 deaths. Studies also show that for every 5 mph increase in the maximum speed limit, there is an associated 8% increase in fatality rates on interstates and a 4% increase on other roads."

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We no longer have different day and night speed limits because some people just drove the regular speed at night while others slowed down. The safest are roads with consistent speeds that are reasonable.

This is also the reason different speed limits for trucks were eliminated.

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A consistent 60 mph flow of cars will result in fewer serious injuries and fatalities than a consistent flow of traffic at 70 to 85 mph, To me 60 mph, which means to most people 65 to 70 mph, is plenty fast when driving through construction zones,

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show your work. Then show me exactly how many fatalities have happened in that same 19 mile stretch in the last ten years.

Also, is this not a proposed change to the permanent speed limits, not for construction period?

Last, by your own admission, folks will ignore the lowered limits anyway so, what is the point again?

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There are many, many studies online that conclude that lowering of speed limits reduces the number of serious injury accidents and fatalities. I don't know about basic wrecks like a fender bender,

"Texas statewide data shows that speeding is a major contributing factor to traffic fatalities, and a direct correlation exists between higher speed limits and fatality rates. Data from the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) indicates that speeding was a factor in 35% of all traffic crash fatalities in Texas in 2024, resulting in 1,467 deaths. Studies also show that for every 5 mph increase in the maximum speed limit, there is an associated 8% increase in fatality rates on interstates and a 4% increase on other roads."

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This statement conflates speed with speeding. They are not the same. It also conflates the accident with fatality. This is a poorly written data analysis used to support a desired outcome.

Lastly, correlation =/= causation.

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Bob Yancy said:

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There's a short YouTube video on this page that is extremely informative- entertaining even. In two minutes you'll get the gist.

And, there's about 22 miles of bike and pedestrian paths as a part of this project… 11 miles in either direction, I think. Bike riders will be able to go from north Bryan to south College Station safely- for those of you that are into that sort of thing.

https://www.txdot.gov/projects/projects-studies/bryan/sh6-central-bcs.html

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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who will bike from north Bryan to S. CS in July and August? Nobody. Nobody is the answer to the question. How much, exactly, is the state paying for a bike paths that will get practically no use?

Who is the contractor and in what way is he connected to the decision makers at TxDOT or someone in TXLeg?

What a farce.

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You'd have to visit with TxDOT on those funding issues. But I can think of a half dozen major events in biking and running- a marathon for one, that could be held on it. And, while I agree there's a lot of folks that don't want to bike in August, don't sell the passion of the local biking community short.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

Bob Yancy said:

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cavscout96 said:

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Bob Yancy said:

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There's a short YouTube video on this page that is extremely informative- entertaining even. In two minutes you'll get the gist.

And, there's about 22 miles of bike and pedestrian paths as a part of this project… 11 miles in either direction, I think. Bike riders will be able to go from north Bryan to south College Station safely- for those of you that are into that sort of thing.

https://www.txdot.gov/projects/projects-studies/bryan/sh6-central-bcs.html

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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who will bike from north Bryan to S. CS in July and August? Nobody. Nobody is the answer to the question. How much, exactly, is the state paying for a bike paths that will get practically no use?

Who is the contractor and in what way is he connected to the decision makers at TxDOT or someone in TXLeg?

What a farce.

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You'd have to visit with TxDOT on those funding issues. But I can think of a half dozen major events in biking and running- a marathon for one, that could be held on it. And, while I agree there's a lot of folks that don't want to bike in August, don't sell the passion of the local biking community short.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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Agreed. I prefer biking and running events to be held out there instead of our neighborhoods.

TXDOT guidance on construction speeds starts on page 2-8. I especially like the graphic on 2-11.

Procedures for Establishing Speed Zones

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Traffic control in work sites should be designed on the assumption that drivers will only reduce their speeds if they clearly perceive a need to do so; therefore, reduced speed zoning should be avoided as much as practicable.

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Regulatory construction speed signs (R2-1) must be removed during periods when they are not needed to minimize interference with traffic (see Part 6 of the TMUTCD for sign detail).

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If the reduced speed limits are not necessary for the safe operation of traffic during certain construction operations or those days and hours the contractor is not working, the regulatory construction speed limit signs must be made inoperative by one of the following methods: moving the signs to the edge of the right-of-way and facing them away from the roadway or covering the signs when the reduced speed limits are not necessary (care should be taken, however, to delineate the sign post so it does not become an invisible obstacle at night adjacent to the roadway).

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The Texas Manual on Uniform Traffic Control 6C.01.12 says

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Reduced speed limits should be used only in the specific portion of the TTC zone where conditions or restrictive features are present. However, frequent changes in the speed limit should be avoided. A TTC plan should be designed so that vehicles can travel through the TTC zone with a speed limit reduction of no more than 10 mph.

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91_Aggie said:
Just to add some common sense to the actual effect of this:
From the Speedway overpass to 2818 in bryan, it is 19 miles.

At 70 MPH it takes 16.17 minutes
At 60 MPH it takes 19 minutes


So let the wailing and gnashing of teeth commence over a worst case of someone driving that entire distance taking less than a minutes more

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Lord have mercy!....that's the same thing they said when they lowered it from 75...why dont we just go back to 55 then? its only a few more minutes and its soooo much safer...As someone who has to drive S-CS to N-Bryan every single weekday..leave the damn speed limit alone

If you feel uncomfortable driving 70-75 in traffic, don't get on the highway. We would all appreciate it