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txags92 said:

JeremiahJohnson said:

I have worked in water treatment for quite a while. In that time I have looked over the treatment of several data centers dating back 15 years.

The water is used for cooling. It is far superior to use a water cooled system to air as water is a substantially better at absorbing heat. One of the ones I treated stored all the data for a giant O&G company. The server room was 40 degrees. If they lost water cooling, the room would heat to 120 degrees in 4 minutes and fry their servers and destroying their data for all drilling operations across the world.

Nothing I worked on was remotely as large or water intensive the ones we are building now. I do not see how we will be able to sustain the water usage unless we go away from more efficient evaporative cooling and build larger air cooled systems with closed water and refrigerant loops. This would help keep the water in a chilled loop like a DX unit. They are less efficient than a cooling tower but use substantially less water. If we go the cooling tower and chiller route for the cooling water, I think we need to build desalination plants and pull from the ocean. Texas does not have enough ground or surface water to satisfy what we are wanting to build, especially west of us. Desal plants are inefficient and expensive, but would save water.

Eventually I could see these types of data centers having their own water desal, cooling and wastewater plants that service that facility specifically. From there it would be interesting to see what they do with the highly salinated reject water as it could cause some issues. Probably inject it into SWD wells, like they do in O&G.

Sorry my rambling, but that's how my brain works, and I could be completely wrong. But note that Elons place is not this, but will probably still use a lot of cooling water for their systems. I just worry about land cost increasing in BCS because of it. Wish I owned a lot of land here. Look what it did in Taylor.

We have plenty of brackish groundwater that is easier to desal than seawater. Particularly out west, using desalinated brackish groundwater and deep injecting the brine will likely be part of providing the necessary water for the data centers they want to build. As we get to next generation modular molten salt reactor nuke plants in the coming decade, power issues will become nearly a non-issue was well.

I feel as if you are putting far too much faith in the feds to actually not restrict nukes to the point that they aren't much of a factor in the energy generation industry.
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schmellba99 said:

txags92 said:

JeremiahJohnson said:

I have worked in water treatment for quite a while. In that time I have looked over the treatment of several data centers dating back 15 years.

The water is used for cooling. It is far superior to use a water cooled system to air as water is a substantially better at absorbing heat. One of the ones I treated stored all the data for a giant O&G company. The server room was 40 degrees. If they lost water cooling, the room would heat to 120 degrees in 4 minutes and fry their servers and destroying their data for all drilling operations across the world.

Nothing I worked on was remotely as large or water intensive the ones we are building now. I do not see how we will be able to sustain the water usage unless we go away from more efficient evaporative cooling and build larger air cooled systems with closed water and refrigerant loops. This would help keep the water in a chilled loop like a DX unit. They are less efficient than a cooling tower but use substantially less water. If we go the cooling tower and chiller route for the cooling water, I think we need to build desalination plants and pull from the ocean. Texas does not have enough ground or surface water to satisfy what we are wanting to build, especially west of us. Desal plants are inefficient and expensive, but would save water.

Eventually I could see these types of data centers having their own water desal, cooling and wastewater plants that service that facility specifically. From there it would be interesting to see what they do with the highly salinated reject water as it could cause some issues. Probably inject it into SWD wells, like they do in O&G.

Sorry my rambling, but that's how my brain works, and I could be completely wrong. But note that Elons place is not this, but will probably still use a lot of cooling water for their systems. I just worry about land cost increasing in BCS because of it. Wish I owned a lot of land here. Look what it did in Taylor.

We have plenty of brackish groundwater that is easier to desal than seawater. Particularly out west, using desalinated brackish groundwater and deep injecting the brine will likely be part of providing the necessary water for the data centers they want to build. As we get to next generation modular molten salt reactor nuke plants in the coming decade, power issues will become nearly a non-issue was well.

I feel as if you are putting far too much faith in the feds to actually not restrict nukes to the point that they aren't much of a factor in the energy generation industry.

The safety of the newer reactor designs is light years ahead of the current designs and they will mostly not be using isotopes for fuel that have weaponization potential. The NRC process is not optimized for approving them yet, but once they update their licensing process, I expect to see dozens of applications coming in very quickly.
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"Tesla and SpaceX have confirmed a landmark joint venture that could reshape the future of autonomous driving, humanoid robotics, and AI compute infrastructure. The project, named Terafab, is a shared semiconductor manufacturing facility being built in Grimes County, Texas and the numbers behind it are staggering.

Whole Mars Catalog's cryptic "So it begins" post on X was the first public signal. Within hours, details emerged through SpaceX's S-1 IPO filing, confirming what many had suspected: Tesla, SpaceX, and xAI are formally pooling resources to solve one of the most critical bottlenecks in Elon Musk's empire chip supply"

https://www.basenor.com/blogs/news/tesla-spacex-launch-terafab-119b-chip-megafactory?fbclid=IwdGRjcASEPWpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeoCfGxYNFmxh4muqham3mDyormRD80Nnm3AfhVMixd40JKGSPKpCUj9D-JEc_aem_jSnnlWKA-3yCi9oUMPs95w
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The Grimes County Facebook anti-Terafab group have taken the county reinvestment zone map and provided appraisal district parcel numbers within said zone and are on the warpath. A friend who has a small property within it got an anonymous call today. All of those landowners are about to get doxxed.

Might be more law enforcement presence at the Wednesday meeting than usual.
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txags92 said:

JeremiahJohnson said:

I have worked in water treatment for quite a while. In that time I have looked over the treatment of several data centers dating back 15 years.

The water is used for cooling. It is far superior to use a water cooled system to air as water is a substantially better at absorbing heat. One of the ones I treated stored all the data for a giant O&G company. The server room was 40 degrees. If they lost water cooling, the room would heat to 120 degrees in 4 minutes and fry their servers and destroying their data for all drilling operations across the world.

Nothing I worked on was remotely as large or water intensive the ones we are building now. I do not see how we will be able to sustain the water usage unless we go away from more efficient evaporative cooling and build larger air cooled systems with closed water and refrigerant loops. This would help keep the water in a chilled loop like a DX unit. They are less efficient than a cooling tower but use substantially less water. If we go the cooling tower and chiller route for the cooling water, I think we need to build desalination plants and pull from the ocean. Texas does not have enough ground or surface water to satisfy what we are wanting to build, especially west of us. Desal plants are inefficient and expensive, but would save water.

Eventually I could see these types of data centers having their own water desal, cooling and wastewater plants that service that facility specifically. From there it would be interesting to see what they do with the highly salinated reject water as it could cause some issues. Probably inject it into SWD wells, like they do in O&G.

Sorry my rambling, but that's how my brain works, and I could be completely wrong. But note that Elons place is not this, but will probably still use a lot of cooling water for their systems. I just worry about land cost increasing in BCS because of it. Wish I owned a lot of land here. Look what it did in Taylor.

We have plenty of brackish groundwater that is easier to desal than seawater. Particularly out west, using desalinated brackish groundwater and deep injecting the brine will likely be part of providing the necessary water for the data centers they want to build. As we get to next generation modular molten salt reactor nuke plants in the coming decade, power issues will become nearly a non-issue was well.


My understanding is that the citizens of Grimes County chose to go with a rural coop utility for water because the shallow water too saline and you'd have to drill a deep well for fresh water. Northern Grimes County might be an ideal place for a GW desalination plant. Of course, the residents wouldn't like it and what would you do with the waste salt?
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It wouldn't be solid salt but super saline reject water. I would assume you pump it into a salt water disposal well like the oil field does.
txags92
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JeremiahJohnson said:

It wouldn't be solid salt but super saline reject water. I would assume you pump it into a salt water disposal well like the oil field does.

The output brine for desal is typically about 2x - 2.5x the input salinity. So taking in brackish water that is too saline to drink, even up to 10,000 ppm TDS is still only going to output brine that is about 1/2 of typical seawater (40k TDS). It can be deep injected in brine disposal wells or used by older wellfields for recovery enhancement.
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I did some work at a salt dome facility where they used it as base for well pads.
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BrazosDog02 said:

Badace52 said:

Chip factories are one thing, but we don't have the water resources for these data centers in texas. Most of south Texas is in a water emergency the city of Corpus is assessing heavy fines for people who use more than 40% of what they consider to be the "normal" monthly water usage for that area. Rockport and Port A are in the same boat.

Move it down to 20% and double that fine.

But either way, this is BEAUTIFUL! I love it. Wish they would do this in all major cities. If your grass is dead because it won't live without an irrigation system, you have the wrong grass for your location.

Y'all are insane, can't read, or can't do math.

People who CUT their residential water use by 80% below normal usage rates for an area should face massive fines? There is no way.
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Commissioners court meeting ongoing. At least 6 LEOs up at the front table keeping an eye on things. Place is at capacity.
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Land being bought.

The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
normaleagle05
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I didn't get to see it all on the live stream but the Aggieland board thread says both items passed the Commissioners Court 4-1.
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normaleagle05 said:

I didn't get to see it all on the live stream but the Aggieland board thread says both items passed the Commissioners Court 4-1.

The post came from Texags royalty so we can assume it's legit.
I hope I did not offend anybody with this post. If I did, please come see me at my address in my profile so we can talk.
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meh. There were two posts. Both posters were highly identifiable.
 
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