"In March, the director of NATO policy in the Office of the Secretary of Defense was abruptly reassigned, current and former U.S. officials told me. Mark Jones, who had spent more than two decades working on NATO and Europe policy as both a soldier and a civil servant, was viewed…
— Jeffrey Goldberg (@JeffreyGoldberg) May 5, 2026
“That is not a navy for a maritime nation, that’s a joke.”
— Times Radio (@TimesRadio) May 5, 2026
Times Radio’s @afneil condemns the state of the modern British navy. pic.twitter.com/4kUOrs3PGI
Ag1188 said:
Putin, Trump, Orban
What an allied group. Imagine explaining that to a 1940s American conservative. LMAO. A far-right cult of radical extremists led by the most ungodly American imaginable.
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As for agreeing to spend all that money in Ukraine, there is no money available for the British defense budget until 2030.
YouBet said:Quote:
As for agreeing to spend all that money in Ukraine, there is no money available for the British defense budget until 2030.
Goodness gracious. Good point in that article on the UK not really qualified to hold a permanent seat on the security council.
With five boats, they can put one at each point of the compass around the Isles and then have one rover to defend the Falklands from Argentina?
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There are now calls beginning to remove Britain from its permanent seat on the UN Security Council, as it doesn't have the capability to keep even a single vessel at sea at any given time.
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The UK is just not a serious country and shouldn't be treated as one, imho, let alone an 'ally' to the American people.
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The UK is just not a serious country and shouldn't be treated as one, imho, let alone an 'ally' to the American people.
It's so sad to see where the UK currently stands. I'm not sure how I missed this decline but probably my bias towards UK from past history of their military. The UK use to punch above their weight not so much now.
I would pull France out keep UK in but votes however we tell them too. I would add India to security council.
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Quote:Mahan was born in 1840 at West Point, the son of a professor at the United States Military Academy. His middle name, Thayer, honors the "father of the military academy," Sylvanus Thayer, who brought the institution up to modern standards. His great, burgeoning Navy may sound like a warmonger's dream. But Mahan was a realist. He wanted a great fleet for a purpose, because he believed in America's spiritual mission.
What kind of world do we want to live in? A world united by democracies that uphold a certain standard of human rights is incompatible with a weak Navy. That's because a stable, humane world requires economic prosperity. That, in turn, requires relatively unimpeded intercontinental trade and commerce. And that requires secure waterways.
Our “ally” is building ICBMs, bragging they can hit the US, and then showing them off and trying to sell them to Islamists at weapons expos.
— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) May 9, 2026
NATO is an insane proposition right now. https://t.co/I3guXjBgu2
"NO TURKEY NEVER SAID THAT, ITS ISRAELI PROPAG--"
— Γουλιέλμος των Κατωγείων (@wilhelmkatogion) May 9, 2026
This u boyz? Here proudly showcasing your intentions to bomb the US? Boi u 🇹🇷 r in for the ride of ur life.@DeptofWar @SecWar @StateDept @SecRubio @UnderSecT @DNIGabbard @SecretaryBurgum @DHSgov @SenateForeign @SFRCdems @mboyle1 pic.twitter.com/cgB4MxBl1o
The U.S. has reportedly canceled the deployment of the Army’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division to Europe, where more than 4000 troops had been set to reinforce NATO’s eastern front.
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) May 13, 2026
A portion of the unit already in Poland has reportedly been directed to return home. pic.twitter.com/fRpUdNV68l
Rossticus said:The U.S. has reportedly canceled the deployment of the Army’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division to Europe, where more than 4000 troops had been set to reinforce NATO’s eastern front.
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) May 13, 2026
A portion of the unit already in Poland has reportedly been directed to return home. pic.twitter.com/fRpUdNV68l
.@VP: "We’re not talking about pulling every single American troop out of Europe, we’re talking about shifting some resources around in a way that maximizes American security. I don’t think that’s bad for Europe. That’s encouraging Europe to take more ownership." pic.twitter.com/6N3MDqwKJA
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) May 19, 2026
JUST IN: Trump reportedly preparing to tell NATO allies that U.S. will reduce the forces it makes available to the alliance during major crises.
— Polymarket (@Polymarket) May 20, 2026
President Donald J. Trump has announced via Truth Social that the U.S. is sending an additional 5,000 troops to Poland following the election of his endorsed candidate, Karol Nawrocki. The move would further expand the U.S. military presence on NATO’s eastern flank amid ongoing… pic.twitter.com/KvqnYJiC5a
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) May 21, 2026
🇫🇷 Marine Le Pen is making the case for a “France First” foreign policy:
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) May 22, 2026
"I believe France should withdraw from NATO’s integrated military command.”
In her view, it’s a matter of sovereignty… European states have become American protectorates.
She wants to avoid overseas… pic.twitter.com/j5Bef6lrwX
Marco Rubio:
— Clash Report (@clashreport) May 22, 2026
Some of our NATO allies’ responses to our operations in the Middle East are well documented, and they will have to be addressed. pic.twitter.com/hqQINagF2i
Ag1188 said:
Putin, Trump, Orban
What an allied group. Imagine explaining that to a 1940s American conservative. LMAO. A far-right cult of radical extremists led by the most ungodly American imaginable.
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But the number one thing I used to tell people was, the reason why NATO is good for America, because that's the question. Anytime you join anything, your number one answer has to be, why is this good for America? The reason why NATO is good for America, I know why NATO is good for Europe, but why is NATO good for America? Because it gives us bases in the region that allow us to project power during a contingency in the Middle East or somewhere else. So when that is the key rationale for why you're in NATO, and then you have countries like Spain denying us the use of these bases, well, then why are you in NATO? That's a very fair question.
Now, in fairness, other questions, other countries in NATO have been very helpful, but we need to discuss that. That needs to be addressed, and that's what I hope to address and to set the table for the leaders meeting, which will be happening in Turkey, I think next month, if I'm not mistaken, in July.
REPORTER: Does the administration still believe that your NATO allies are cowards? That what? Does the administration still believe that your NATO allies are cowards?
RUBIO: Well, the President's been very disappointed. Understand that there are many countries in NATO that agree with us that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon, that Iran is a threat to the world. So the President said, fine, I'm going to do something about it. He's not asking them to commit troops. He's not asking them to send their fighter jets in. But they refuse to do anything.
So I think the President looks at that and says, hold on a second. If all these countries around the world agree with us that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon, that this regime is a threat to world peace and security, that already have missiles that can reach Europe. They don't have missiles that can reach America yet, but they have missiles that can reach Europe. We're actually step forward and do something about it, and everyone goes into hiding. Yeah, I think we're very upset about that. The President has made that very clear.
aggiedent said:Ag1188 said:
Putin, Trump, Orban
What an allied group. Imagine explaining that to a 1940s American conservative. LMAO. A far-right cult of radical extremists led by the most ungodly American imaginable.
Trump is one of the most liberal Republicans presidents of the modern era. Over half of his beliefs and economic policies are from the Democratic playbook. Hell, prior to him running for president, in interviews and in his book, he has stated he preferred the Democrats in power generally.
But he's a smart cookie in some ways. He knew immigration was a huge issue with the Republican base………check. Hate on the Democrats………check. Nominate some conservative justices…….check. Come up with a cool America first slogan like MAGA to really get em going.
Boom………..MAGA worship him even though at heart he's a NY liberal. Watch his die hard supporters do mental gymnastics explaining away his liberal policies. One of the greatest con jobs ever.
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The only other data point really are the Bush duo. Hardly bastions of conservative ideals, after pops' 'read my lips, no new taxes' fiasco/betrayal cost him a second term.
Anyway, more from Rubio (RCP transcript):Quote:
But the number one thing I used to tell people was, the reason why NATO is good for America, because that's the question. Anytime you join anything, your number one answer has to be, why is this good for America? The reason why NATO is good for America, I know why NATO is good for Europe, but why is NATO good for America? Because it gives us bases in the region that allow us to project power during a contingency in the Middle East or somewhere else. So when that is the key rationale for why you're in NATO, and then you have countries like Spain denying us the use of these bases, well, then why are you in NATO? That's a very fair question.
Now, in fairness, other questions, other countries in NATO have been very helpful, but we need to discuss that. That needs to be addressed, and that's what I hope to address and to set the table for the leaders meeting, which will be happening in Turkey, I think next month, if I'm not mistaken, in July.
REPORTER: Does the administration still believe that your NATO allies are cowards? That what? Does the administration still believe that your NATO allies are cowards?
RUBIO: Well, the President's been very disappointed. Understand that there are many countries in NATO that agree with us that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon, that Iran is a threat to the world. So the President said, fine, I'm going to do something about it. He's not asking them to commit troops. He's not asking them to send their fighter jets in. But they refuse to do anything.
So I think the President looks at that and says, hold on a second. If all these countries around the world agree with us that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon, that this regime is a threat to world peace and security, that already have missiles that can reach Europe. They don't have missiles that can reach America yet, but they have missiles that can reach Europe. We're actually step forward and do something about it, and everyone goes into hiding. Yeah, I think we're very upset about that. The President has made that very clear.
He's absolutely right, as usual.
aggiedent said:Ag1188 said:
Putin, Trump, Orban
What an allied group. Imagine explaining that to a 1940s American conservative. LMAO. A far-right cult of radical extremists led by the most ungodly American imaginable.
Trump is one of the most liberal Republicans presidents of the modern era. Over half of his beliefs and economic policies are from the Democratic playbook. Hell, prior to him running for president, in interviews and in his book, he has stated he preferred the Democrats in power generally.
But he's a smart cookie in some ways. He knew immigration was a huge issue with the Republican base………check. Hate on the Democrats………check. Nominate some conservative justices…….check. Come up with a cool America first slogan like MAGA to really get em going.
Boom………..MAGA worship him even though at heart he's a NY liberal. Watch his die hard supporters do mental gymnastics explaining away his liberal policies. One of the greatest con jobs ever.
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Boom………..MAGA worship him even though at heart he's a NY liberal.
Ag with kids said:aggiedent said:Ag1188 said:
Putin, Trump, Orban
What an allied group. Imagine explaining that to a 1940s American conservative. LMAO. A far-right cult of radical extremists led by the most ungodly American imaginable.
Trump is one of the most liberal Republicans presidents of the modern era. Over half of his beliefs and economic policies are from the Democratic playbook. Hell, prior to him running for president, in interviews and in his book, he has stated he preferred the Democrats in power generally.
But he's a smart cookie in some ways. He knew immigration was a huge issue with the Republican base………check. Hate on the Democrats………check. Nominate some conservative justices…….check. Come up with a cool America first slogan like MAGA to really get em going.
Boom………..MAGA worship him even though at heart he's a NY liberal. Watch his die hard supporters do mental gymnastics explaining away his liberal policies. One of the greatest con jobs ever.
He does have some left of center policies...
However, he's got a lot of right of center policies...
Immigration
Smaller government
Conservative justices/judges
Abortion is a state issue
Energy independence
The whole trans issue
Military spending
Education
BTW, if your proposition is right, that he's a liberal, then every Democrat out there are doing Comaneci level gymnastics...because they hate EVERYTHING he does...
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As for agreeing to spend all that money in Ukraine, there is no money available for the British defense budget until 2030.
Goodness gracious. Good point in that article on the UK not really qualified to hold a permanent seat on the security council.
With five boats, they can put one at each point of the compass around the Isles and then have one rover to defend the Falklands from Argentina?