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Yes they made it clear and pretty much outright said that Link (now we know his real name is Dylan) is her son. He's 26, has the same birthday, and the same name as her son. Also his name is Link. Like a link between realities or timelines or whatever.

And then the note that someone sent back in time for the Circuit City guy to try and stop or warn about pyscho Jane.

And Xavier's weird visions.

I'm pretty sure thats what Billy was acquiring when they had a flashback of him going to the bar and talking to the scientist whos wife had a terminal illness. Getting his invention, likely some sort of time machine esque thing, that he developed to save his wife. Which will now be used for their own uses of going back before all the problems of the modern world happened. Which is likely what they've named Alex.

"You can't buy time"
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Don't forget the weird nosebleeds.
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cena05 said:

A random message coming from unknown sources stating that a killer was born at an exact time, maybe?!??!??

I guess. It's flimsy though imo. Maybe it will be proved completely correct.

But that's also kind of the plot of Harry Potter.

The message wasn't explicitly about Jane. It just said a killer would be born on that day and time. The man makes the message about Jane by going to that hospital and finding Jane. If he goes to another hospital, then it's potentially another person who is the "killer?"

I took that to be less about time travel, and more about what happened when the mother believes that and treats Jane horrible, which helps to create the killer she became.

Personally I'd be pretty bummed if they went the time traveler route, but guess we will find out next week.
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This season is great! Sad that Shailene Arm Bush died but the Atlanta story line is cool
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Agree, not 100% time travel but could allude to it.
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What is with the incessant resonance used in this show? Like constant sonic pressure/beats. Close to zero scenes just have normal sound without this nonsense.
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There are a lot of scenes hinting about supernatural or divine situations. Several "we're here for a reason" scenes that I think will be revealed in season 3.
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SJEAg said:

Yoda said:

Seriously? You can't possibly be including the primary cast, right?


Agree, the acting is the clear strength of this show. Three roles got Emmy nods.

The teenagers? Ok maybe...but that's almost to be expected.

Watched the birth episode in the diner last night; if that is bad acting then IDFK anymore. Wife and I choked up for a good 10 minutes; amazing performances.
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Rather than time travel it could be alternate dimensions. The nose bleeds representing a comingling of dimensions or an unnatural change.

The nosebleed comment makes me think of Michael Crichton's fantastic novel (horrible movie) Timeline. Moving b/w the dimensions creates script errors at the atomic / molecular level, leading to various ailments in people who've traveled too much.

Edit: My memory of Timeline is very old, so I may have some of the details tweaked.
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Agreed, that was a powerful scene.

We've commented every episode lately that the writing and acting is really good for most of the characters.
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Some of the acting is lacking. I am not a fan of Xavier's daughter.

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I think there's a lot of cringe acting, but the leads are solid for sure. Any scene with Jane is eye-rollingly bad. The writing around her character is more of the problem though I think.

This season has been a trudge to me, compared to the first which really sucked me in. I think they're getting "lost" in the uber-emotional moments with the music cues and all the characters being so dramatic, which is weird to type out when talking about a drama, lol.
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I think Alex is some sort of artificial intelligence that's able to cross dimensions
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I think its some sort of quantum entanglement device that allow you to change time either via alternate universes or something. The nosebleeds are a side-effect when someone has been affected by such a change.
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Yeah, the wife and I agree, Alex is a machine but we believe it's related to dimensional travel rather than time travel. Or perhaps, like a poster above brought up regarding Michael Criton's novel Timeline, it's dimensional travel that basically acts like time travel.

We're still watching for now, but i'm not sure if i'm going to be on board for a show about dimensional time travel when the whole first season pointed to this being a completely different type of show (i.e. a political murder mystery with 20 different layers).

The writing is decent but not great. A little too lazy at times. They rely a little too much on cliches and dumb actions by characters as a way to advance the plot rather than write a smart way. And they definitely rely too much on sound and music as a crutch....the constant pulsing drumbeat to create tension...ending every episode with a slowed down almost accoustic cover song. It's gotten tiresome.
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Oh yeah, the biggest suspension of disbelief for me is that this guy....



Would fall head over heels for this woman...

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Teslag said:

Don't forget the weird nosebleeds.

Nosebleeds being a symptom of something catastrophic in TV drives me nuts. I get parents all the time worried about their kid's Nosebleeds being a sign of coming catastrophe and wanting testing done. Kids pick their noses and get Nosebleeds it is really common.

Anyway just a pet peeve for me.
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zap said:

Some of the acting is lacking. I am not a fan of Xavier's daughter.



I don't see why almost every teenager has to be written to be a bratty snob.
Agree on the music, so many shows now seem to rely on pop songs too much instead of good writing to convey emotion. Just end it with a slow sappy song and lots of people looking around sad or hugging seems to be the mantra.
While I'm something of a scientist myself, nature outside the bunker seems in too good a shape following a couple years of ash clouds and snow. Would it really rebound that quickly? Maybe I missed something.
This season has had some high points, but not as invested as season one. This one started to go a little girl boss toward the end.
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thoughts on finale?

I enjoyed it. I will wait before talking about until more watch it.
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AgShaun00 said:

thoughts on finale?

I enjoyed it. I will wait before talking about until more watch it.

Glad you brought it up. Forgot to watch last night. I'll avoid this thread until after I watch. Please let it be good.
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Watched last night and didn't hate it. They tied up everything pretty well and laid a clear direction for Season 3.

I think the writers have to be very careful with how they use Alex moving forward or the show will really jump the shark. I have my doubt on how well they can pull it off.
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When Sinatra mentioned the Denver Airport, I literally shouted "No way!"

I love that the writers took advantage of all the real-life conspiracy theories around it! (If you're not familiar, do a Google search on it. Perfect reference!)
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It's been 24 hrs, so I'm going to discuss some spoilers.



I still think the show was better, sharper in Season 1 when the mystery was just the political machinations going on with the murder of the President. Unfortunately though, turning the show into a sci-fi time-travel drama this season really showed the weakness of the writing. Just lazy a lot of the time. But overall the biggest problem IMO was the fact they only had 8 freaking episodes per season. And then you whittle that down even more because they just introduced the time-travel wrinkle this season.

That's highly problematic when you're now aiming to create big emotional moments between characters that your plot revolves around instead of just a mystery. For example, they clearly wanted us to be highly moved when Xavier's wife finally reunited with her kids, but for me it fell flat because they had only invested a whole whopping 1 episode in introducing us to her. She literally had 1 episode devoted to her, then she was in a little bit of episode 7, then bam here we are at the finally. Sorry, that's not enough to make me care for her.

Clearly these writers/showrunners are emulating Lost. But the thing is that Lost had twenty plus episodes per season. We got to be introduced to characters, got to know them layer by layer, then the big emotional moment or surprise moment happened.

This show is too rushed and the writers are trying to do too much in the few episodes they have, and frankly they just aren't that talented to pull it off. And at this point they have to keep going with the slow cover songs to end each episode because they've now made it their cheap gimmick.

And my last gripe.....did they seriously imply that Superwoman serial killer Jane is still alive? If so, ugh, give me a break.
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I'll have to think on it some more, but I thought the finale was just average. I can't believe they wasted half the episode on the elevator situation.
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surfandturfsbisa96 said:

I'll have to think on it some more, but I thought the finale was just average. I can't believe they wasted half the episode on the elevator situation.


Lol...the shelter is melting down, but let's monologue in the elevator with your daughter...
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Jeremy reconciling with agent Robinson was a bit forced as well to me. Lots of things seemed like they happened this season because they needed to but the build up to the events was lacking.
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Someone said this was starting to feel like Lost. Worried now we are headed to post writers strike Heroes territory.
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FL_Ag1998 said:



And my last gripe.....did they seriously imply that Superwoman serial killer Jane is still alive? If so, ugh, give me a break.

She is 1000% alive. Early in the episode they showed her body in the shower. End of the episode; the body was gone.
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zap said:

FL_Ag1998 said:



And my last gripe.....did they seriously imply that Superwoman serial killer Jane is still alive? If so, ugh, give me a break.

She is 1000% alive. Early in the episode they showed her body in the shower. End of the episode; the body was gone.


Yep, my wife caught that at the end and replayed it for me. Again, all I can say is ugh. They need to find a better bad guy than the 105-lb superpowered female serial killer who can get the better of any man no matter how many guns are pointed at her.
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this season needed min of 12 episodes
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While the show has been fun, the writing isn't great and most of the characters are pretty awful IMO. The time travel AI quantum computer is dumb IMO. What I thought might have been happening after reading some of the theories after the last episode, which would have had the chance to be cool, was if time was traveling at a different speed inside the bunker compared to the outside world. After Xavier left to go find his wife what if she and everyone/everything outside the bunker had been aging more quickly while those inside the bunker time was basically standing still? Then he returns and he's also older because he was no longer inside and even though he wasn't gone all that long, time was going much faster for him relative to the people in the bunker. The bunker inhabitants were trying to buy time, and getting it, but everyone outside was losing it at a faster rate while they were hitting the fast forward button.
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How many more seasons? I can probably only handle one more to be honest...
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i think it is 3 only i heard. But too lazy to look it up
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I agree with others. The show suffers from a lack of episodes...especially when they want to do "point of view episodes." You can't have a whole episode to develop/kill annie, while also progressing other timelines.

There better be something extremely important about Annie's baby to justify that entire episode, otherwise, that's just a lot of time built on an insignificant point.

and then they just ask us to accept that Dylan/Link is "Will Hunting" and auditing courses and developing a computer that nobody else can.

Maybe the payoff is coming, but it seems like they really drill down into specific items, but don't deliver a payoff.

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There were a ton of eye-roll worthy moments in that finale. I'm leaning toward not liking it very much. I didn't even notice that they showed the shower and no Jane at some point. Jeezus, that may be the straw that breaks my back on next season.
 
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