Volleyball EXPERTS....what does this squad look like next year?

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While NIL will be big until regulation eventually occurs, I think selling the development and culture will be a selling point for some players also



FYI significant NIL regulation went into effect over the summer. Every deal over $600 has to now be reviewed (by Deloitte) for fair market value to ensure it isn't pay for play.

I thought that all fell apart when schools refused to sign on to it I thought tech was the lead in killing it

It definitely should be, it's a stupid idea. The obvious flaw is that Deloitte is obviously going to rate the "fair market value" of payments at blueblood programs with huge fanbases higher than at "upstart" programs. Thus entrenching the status quo.

With regard to transfers and the rebuilding process: Clearly you have to strike while the iron is hot and get the best possible players via the transfer portal, but is there a conflict between that and being loyal to your existing players (backups) who want a chance to grow into future superstars?


You either have someone reviewing the deals or you have pay for play dressed up as NIL.

If you look at the factors they are using, it is pretty comprehensive. Although, I think the build in an assumption that businesses are valuing player appropriately. Yes, larger schools with larger fan bases are likely going to have greater potential, but some single big donor writing a fat NIL check for a smaller school to buy a team isn't exactly NIL.


As for attempting to suppress FMV, given the metrics are based on current college and pro athlete endorsement deals, it should grow in comparison with pro endorsement deals. Also, since a deal with something like Coca-Cola is getting the assumption of FMV, those deal are going to continue to push valuations up.
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BiochemAg97 said:

SchizoAg said:

BQ_90 said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Wicked Good Ag said:

While NIL will be big until regulation eventually occurs, I think selling the development and culture will be a selling point for some players also



FYI significant NIL regulation went into effect over the summer. Every deal over $600 has to now be reviewed (by Deloitte) for fair market value to ensure it isn't pay for play.

I thought that all fell apart when schools refused to sign on to it I thought tech was the lead in killing it

It definitely should be, it's a stupid idea. The obvious flaw is that Deloitte is obviously going to rate the "fair market value" of payments at blueblood programs with huge fanbases higher than at "upstart" programs. Thus entrenching the status quo.

With regard to transfers and the rebuilding process: Clearly you have to strike while the iron is hot and get the best possible players via the transfer portal, but is there a conflict between that and being loyal to your existing players (backups) who want a chance to grow into future superstars?


You either have someone reviewing the deals or you have pay for play dressed up as NIL.

If you look at the factors they are using, it is pretty comprehensive. Although, I think the build in an assumption that businesses are valuing player appropriately. Yes, larger schools with larger fan bases are likely going to have greater potential, but some single big donor writing a fat NIL check for a smaller school to buy a team isn't exactly NIL.

As for attempting to suppress FMV, given the metrics are based on current college and pro athlete endorsement deals, it should grow in comparison with pro endorsement deals. Also, since a deal with something like Coca-Cola is getting the assumption of FMV, those deal are going to continue to push valuations up.

It is pay-for-play, full stop. All else is pretense, or self-delusion. You won't solve any problem by lying about it.
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BiochemAg97 said:

As for attempting to suppress FMV, given the metrics are based on current college and pro athlete endorsement deals, it should grow in comparison with pro endorsement deals. Also, since a deal with something like Coca-Cola is getting the assumption of FMV, those deal are going to continue to push valuations up.

The suppressing FMV has more to do with the revenue share rather than endorsement deals, but why does some Deloitte consultant need to review every endorsement deal to ensure it is FMV? Who is harmed by someone agreeing to pay an athlete more than FMV for an endorsement? The libertarian in me flares up when I see the current system.

Why can't 2 parties come to an arrangement for an athlete to participate in a certain sport at a certain school?

I think the answer is many of these schools have bloated AD budgets and schools trying to pay athletes a true-FMV would require substantial cost cutting, specifically of administrative positions. Take A&M for instance. We have a >$200 million athletic budget but only have a budget to pay the most important ambassadors ~$20 million.
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themissinglink said:

BiochemAg97 said:

As for attempting to suppress FMV, given the metrics are based on current college and pro athlete endorsement deals, it should grow in comparison with pro endorsement deals. Also, since a deal with something like Coca-Cola is getting the assumption of FMV, those deal are going to continue to push valuations up.

The suppressing FMV has more to do with the revenue share rather than endorsement deals, but why does some Deloitte consultant need to review every endorsement deal to ensure it is FMV? Who is harmed by someone agreeing to pay an athlete more than FMV for an endorsement? The libertarian in me flares up when I see the current system.

Why can't 2 parties come to an arrangement for an athlete to participate in a certain sport at a certain school?

I think the answer is many of these schools have bloated AD budgets and schools trying to pay athletes a true-FMV would require substantial cost cutting, specifically of administrative positions. Take A&M for instance. We have a >$200 million athletic budget but only have a budget to pay the most important ambassadors ~$20 million.


It's weird. Pro sports have salary caps and salary cap circumvention rules. It is almost like the players have agreed in their collective bargaining agreements to avoid unlimited pay for play for the good of the sport overall.

The major pro sports have already been through the unlimited pay for play era and decided it wasn't good.
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They have caps because it's a monopoly. Some owners don't care about winning they want to get richer because they own a limited commodity. And even then teams like the Dodgers say screw it we're gonna spend what we want to win and they pay the fine and win
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BiochemAg97 said:

themissinglink said:

BiochemAg97 said:

As for attempting to suppress FMV, given the metrics are based on current college and pro athlete endorsement deals, it should grow in comparison with pro endorsement deals. Also, since a deal with something like Coca-Cola is getting the assumption of FMV, those deal are going to continue to push valuations up.

The suppressing FMV has more to do with the revenue share rather than endorsement deals, but why does some Deloitte consultant need to review every endorsement deal to ensure it is FMV? Who is harmed by someone agreeing to pay an athlete more than FMV for an endorsement? The libertarian in me flares up when I see the current system.

Why can't 2 parties come to an arrangement for an athlete to participate in a certain sport at a certain school?

I think the answer is many of these schools have bloated AD budgets and schools trying to pay athletes a true-FMV would require substantial cost cutting, specifically of administrative positions. Take A&M for instance. We have a >$200 million athletic budget but only have a budget to pay the most important ambassadors ~$20 million.
It's weird. Pro sports have salary caps and salary cap circumvention rules. It is almost like the players have agreed in their collective bargaining agreements to avoid unlimited pay for play for the good of the sport overall.

The major pro sports have already been through the unlimited pay for play era and decided it wasn't good.
Big difference is pro sports have a union that collectively bargains for wages.

Internationally, soccer leagues with limited wage controls have seemed to be quite successful.
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I appreciate this thread and the knowledge of others. Drove 10 hours each way to see our girls win the natty, now want to follow it more closely and learn more. I appreciate the insightful conversation of others.
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?SchizoAg said:

BiochemAg97 said:

SchizoAg said:

BQ_90 said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Wicked Good Ag said:

While NIL will be big until regulation eventually occurs, I think selling the development and culture will be a selling point for some players also



FYI significant NIL regulation went into effect over the summer. Every deal over $600 has to now be reviewed (by Deloitte) for fair market value to ensure it isn't pay for play.

I thought that all fell apart when schools refused to sign on to it I thought tech was the lead in killing it

It definitely should be, it's a stupid idea. The obvious flaw is that Deloitte is obviously going to rate the "fair market value" of payments at blueblood programs with huge fanbases higher than at "upstart" programs. Thus entrenching the status quo.

With regard to transfers and the rebuilding process: Clearly you have to strike while the iron is hot and get the best possible players via the transfer portal, but is there a conflict between that and being loyal to your existing players (backups) who want a chance to grow into future superstars?


You either have someone reviewing the deals or you have pay for play dressed up as NIL.

If you look at the factors they are using, it is pretty comprehensive. Although, I think the build in an assumption that businesses are valuing player appropriately. Yes, larger schools with larger fan bases are likely going to have greater potential, but some single big donor writing a fat NIL check for a smaller school to buy a team isn't exactly NIL.

As for attempting to suppress FMV, given the metrics are based on current college and pro athlete endorsement deals, it should grow in comparison with pro endorsement deals. Also, since a deal with something like Coca-Cola is getting the assumption of FMV, those deal are going to continue to push valuations up.

It is pay-for-play, full stop. All else is pretense, or self-delusion. You won't solve any problem by lying about it.

Absolutely! It's obvious when you have college qb's making millions. No need to try and hide it. Collegiate athletes , at least in football, are professional athletes.
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FluAggie said:

Believe me...I'm still enjoying every second of this but I saw ESPN's way to early rankings and because we lose so much we were ranked 10th (which seems fair). Any projections on what the rotation is likely to look like next year based on what we know right now?


Obviously Stowers is a National Player of the Year candidate and she is going to be the main offensive weapon. She will never leave the court and play all-around.

I'm assuming that Kirra Musgrove steps in at setter (very high national recruit).

Addi Applegate was awesome and will be a fixture in the back row.

I'm assuming Megan Fitch basically steps in to the Hellmuth role.

Is Taryn Morris the new OPP?

Is Gabi Rodriguez (very highly ranked national recruit) an immediate factor in the back row?

Did we sign anyone else who will be a major impact player their freshman year?

I have no clue what we have in the middle next year...thoughts? Lolufe Adedeji?

How big of a factor will the portal be for this team? I imagine EVERY player who enters would love to hear from Texas A&M right now.


I'm very interested in learning about Musgrove...the setter is the QB and how they run the offense is so very important to success.

How does Musgrove compare to Waak? Does she run a fast modern offense or the slower, sky high sets? I realize that some of this is knowing your hitters and giving them the best setup, but I really feel that a lot of our success was our speed on offense and not giving the opponents defense time to block.
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Next year is going to be the testament to Morrisons development. A good amount of young talent on the roster that could produce some impressive wins.

Transfer portal pick ups so far have been a solid B+ if not more.

I'm curious to see who else Morrison gets from the portal, he has an opportunity to put together a really good adhoc team.
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Would definitely give this class an A so far. 2 more spots left without anny additional attrition. I could see a true opposite and maybe another DS or setter added. Addresses our two biggest problems for next season. Elite middles and leadership on the pins.
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SpeedyNoilsGhost said:

Next year is going to be the testament to Morrisons development. A good amount of young talent on the roster that could produce some impressive wins.

Transfer portal pick ups so far have been a solid B+ if not more.

I'm curious to see who else Morrison gets from the portal, he has an opportunity to put together a really good adhoc team.


Portal additions are an A+ so far. Adding an all-American and a 6'4" middle with three years of eligibility literally a couple of days after winning a natty is incredible. More coming!

I have no idea what we really have at setter but if Musgrove is as good as expected then we are probably good there. Obviously another middle is a must and an elite opposite would be great. But maybe Taryn Morris is ready to step up.

Very excited to see how the roster takes shape!
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I would say opposite is the only position I would , if any, add but I am not the staff

We have four middles. And while they aren't to the level of our duo last year I don't think any of the ones in the portal would be.

I think the ones we got work for what he likely wants for the system he will use based upon the personal we have.

If can see if we add no one else running a 6-2 to start the season to get players some needed court time and see what gel as a group.

We knew what we had in the spring last year maybe not how Stowers would be coming off a year of not playing.

I don't know if we know who will be on the court next fall yet with exception of Stowers but I like the fact that other than Ring everyone new has multiple years
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Please explain "opposite" - don't understand what that is.
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AggieCenturyTree said:

Please explain "opposite" - don't understand what that is.


The right side hitter. The position Logan Lednicky played. They hit from the right side if you are facing the net. They also block the other teams outside hitter (generally the other teams best hitter but not always).

A good left handed hitter generally plays opposite or right side because it a shorter length back set for the setter. Babcock is right handed and is an opposite and was national player of the year the last two years so they certainly don't have to be a lefty.
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Wicked Good Ag said:

I would say opposite is the only position I would , if any, add but I am not the staff

We have four middles. And while they aren't to the level of our duo last year I don't think any of the ones in the portal would be.

I think the ones we got work for what he likely wants for the system he will use based upon the personal we have.

If can see if we add no one else running a 6-2 to start the season to get players some needed court time and see what gel as a group.

We knew what we had in the spring last year maybe not how Stowers would be coming off a year of not playing.

I don't know if we know who will be on the court next fall yet with exception of Stowers but I like the fact that other than Ring everyone new has multiple years


Probably alternate sets. if the goal is a 5-1, the you want to see how your setters handle 6 rotations and blocking at the net. I'm pretty sure we started 24 season with Margot and Maddie alternating sets, and then settled on Maddie before conference play. Margot jacked her knee during a serve in the maroon and white game, so we didn't see that this year.
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Thank you, if I can ask one more. When Logan sub'd out during the rotation, what was the purpose of that. What defensively or offensively was Jamie trying to accomplish?
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AggieCenturyTree said:

Thank you, if I can ask one more. When Logan sub'd out during the rotation, what was the purpose of that. What defensively or offensively was Jamie trying to accomplish?


Well most of the time she would sub out for Fitch to serve (though not always). I guess Jamie liked Fitch's serve a little better (or just as much) and it did a couple of things: (1) gave Logan a quick breather and (2) gave Fitch a little experience.

Coaches generally like the hitters to be 6 rotation players ideally because you only have so many subs each set so you can't just constantly put a DS in when your hitters rotate to the back row. Also, we would frequently back row set Logan which you aren't going to do with a DS.

Middles almost never play back row but Ifenna would play one rotation in the back row so she could serve and then would immediately come out. Her serve was a massive strength but her defense was way weaker than having our libero in there on the back row.

Hope that helps!
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Awesome, thanks for the education. Merry Christmas.
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Looks like we have a lot of knowledgeable posters, both playing and coaching experiences, on this forum.
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So, how does the portal additions of the last 3 days affect our potential for next year and beyond?
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Surprising ifenna. defense was actually pretty darn good, especially for a middle
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warrington74 said:

Surprising ifenna. defense was actually pretty darn good, especially for a middle


And her serve was lethal this year.
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