Southwest Recovery Update

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txags92
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Just got this in my email inbox:

Dear Valued Rapid Rewards Members,
For many travelers in the final weeks of 2022, holiday plans were disrupted by an epic winter storm that impacted airline travel across the nation. A weather event that affected all carriers became a winter preparedness and Crew network event unique to Southwest Airlines. Not only did we let you down, we also let down our People who heroically serve you.
Following these events, we conducted a thorough internal review, working with our Board of Directors, and engaged respected aviation consultancy Oliver Wyman for a third-party assessment. From that work, we have identified key root causes of the event and developed a conclusive action plan to address them.
Key root causes:
  • Winter operations: Insufficient winter infrastructure and equipment in key airport locations, in addition to staffing challenges from the need to rotate Employees outside in bitter winter weather conditions, hindered our ability to keep our Crew networks flowing in the face of Winter Storm Elliott's scale, velocity, and duration.
  • Cancellation waves: The pace and volume of close-in cancellations forced our aircraft and Crew Scheduling Teams to rely on time-consuming manual processes that could not keep pace with the volume of individual scheduling issues.
  • Cross-Team collaboration: Compartmentalized communications and gaps in our process between important operational workgroups resulted in bottlenecks.

Our action plan:
  • Improving winter operations: We are reinforcing airport infrastructure, increasing the availability of winter equipment, and bolstering our overall preparedness for extreme winter conditions.
  • Accelerating operational investments: We are investing in technology and tools that will improve our recovery during irregular operations.
  • Enhancing cross-Team collaboration: We are enhancing the way our Teams work and communicate together to streamline decision-making.

Click here to read the specific actions we are taking in each category.
With this plan in motion, we can move forward and focus on continuing to deliver the reliable operation, high-quality Customer Service, and legendary Hospitality that Southwest is famously known for. We are already off to a great start in 2023, holding the number two spot in on-time performance year-to-date through March, and remain thankful for your continued support of Southwest.
We look forward to seeing you onboard again soon.
Sincerely,

Bob Jordan
President & Chief Executive Officer
AgOutsideAustin
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No mention of more personnel, planes, or routes??

Ok.
txags92
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Or flight crew tracking system upgrades. As much as that got talked about by their own flight crews as an issue, I am shocked they are not making that a focal point.
Ag CPA
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Kind of ridiculous that it took a system-wide meltdown to instigate some of these changes.
htxag09
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txags92 said:

Or flight crew tracking system upgrades. As much as that got talked about by their own flight crews as an issue, I am shocked they are not making that a focal point.

The CEO recently publicly stated he didn't think the scheduling system was an issue.
txags92
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htxag09 said:

txags92 said:

Or flight crew tracking system upgrades. As much as that got talked about by their own flight crews as an issue, I am shocked they are not making that a focal point.

The CEO recently publicly stated he didn't think the scheduling system was an issue.
The dozens of stories from flight crews and pilots who were on planes and were ready to fly that had their flights cancelled out from under them because the system didn't know where they were would argue against his opinion. As would the open reports of flight crews waiting on hold on the phone for 8-10 hours to get their next assignments...
htxag09
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txags92 said:

htxag09 said:

txags92 said:

Or flight crew tracking system upgrades. As much as that got talked about by their own flight crews as an issue, I am shocked they are not making that a focal point.

The CEO recently publicly stated he didn't think the scheduling system was an issue.
The dozens of stories from flight crews and pilots who were on planes and were ready to fly that had their flights cancelled out from under them because the system didn't know where they were would argue against his opinion. As would the open reports of flight crews waiting on hold on the phone for 8-10 hours to get their next assignments...

Not saying I agree with him. Just saying this isn't a surprise
txags92
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htxag09 said:

txags92 said:

htxag09 said:

txags92 said:

Or flight crew tracking system upgrades. As much as that got talked about by their own flight crews as an issue, I am shocked they are not making that a focal point.

The CEO recently publicly stated he didn't think the scheduling system was an issue.
The dozens of stories from flight crews and pilots who were on planes and were ready to fly that had their flights cancelled out from under them because the system didn't know where they were would argue against his opinion. As would the open reports of flight crews waiting on hold on the phone for 8-10 hours to get their next assignments...

Not saying I agree with him. Just saying this isn't a surprise
I get the impression that there were two options. One was to go after the real heart of the issues (their technology and operations systems) that would be very expensive in a time when the airline is probably suffering badly from a lack of customer confidence. And the other was probably to try to find workarounds that will get everybody talking together better and might help them avoid a similar complete meltdown in the future, but wouldn't cost so much. They have clearly chosen the 2nd option, and I expect we will find out how well it works as soon as they start trying to fly a full schedule again and have a couple of days of severe storms affecting Dallas Love again.
Bluecat_Aggie94
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It was an epic failure, but SW has earned enough respect credits with me to give them a pretty wide berth on fixing the issue. Happens again and I'll shift my opinion, but they are still my preferred carrier when they have my route.
txags92
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

It was an epic failure, but SW has earned enough respect credits with me to give them a pretty wide berth on fixing the issue. Happens again and I'll shift my opinion, but they are still my preferred carrier when they have my route.
I used to be that way, but they failed me 3 trips in a row before the Christmas meltdown (that I wasn't caught up in). I will only fly them on points for travel where I don't have to get there by a certain date/time for the forseeable future until they prove they can fly their planned routes without hiccups and that they will take ownership of it when their own operational issues cause cancellations/delays. For any flights where I am not paying points, I will be using United.
htxag09
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I truly have no loyalty. Don't fly much anymore, but when we do we fly whoever is the cheapest with direct flights and good times.

SW just seems crazy expensive right now. We're going to Florida in a few months and they were 60% higher than United for similar times. 90% higher than United for a later flight there, which we booked as we didn't have anything going on on the arrival day and check in was late, anyway.
Bluecat_Aggie94
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I did notice SW fares had been higher, but I feel like they are getting back to what they used to be, and pretty reliably better than the others, especially considering they carry bags for free. I just booked to San Diego in late May and it was about $400, best I saw on anything else was $700.

Plus, no airline has ever treated me as well as SW. When they have a mess-up, they make it right without arguing. They own their problems. More than once I've had a flight credit with a "we are sorry for your inconvenience" just for being a little late.
txags92
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

I did notice SW fares had been higher, but I feel like they are getting back to what they used to be, and pretty reliably better than the others, especially considering they carry bags for free. I just booked to San Diego in late May and it was about $400, best I saw on anything else was $700.

Plus, no airline has ever treated me as well as SW. When they have a mess-up, they make it right without arguing. They own their problems. More than once I've had a flight credit with a "we are sorry for your inconvenience" just for being a little late.


I felt the same way until SW stranded us for unplanned overnight stays on two separate occasions for what were clearly operational caused problems and they blamed it on the weather and refused to compensate us with anything at all.
YouBet
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txags92 said:

Or flight crew tracking system upgrades. As much as that got talked about by their own flight crews as an issue, I am shocked they are not making that a focal point.


It was the primary focal point for the first several weeks after this happened. Specifically, there was/is a much ballyhooed software upgrade that was going to resolve these issues.

As anyone who has ever worked with hugely scaled systems that involve as much process and people at the scale of all of this, I always thought it was laughable at best that a software upgrade was that much front and center of this failure as the solution. And, actually, common sense would tell you that a SW upgrade would be just one aspect of the overall solution here even if you've never worked on large scale systems such as this.

I suspect smarter people than the PR people finally got ahold of things and course corrected the narrative away from the panacea software upgrade. IOW, I'm sure they are still focused on system upgrades but that it's no longer the silver bullet as it was first characterized as for several weeks after this happened.
ShinerBlonde
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Southwest canceled our flight home from Salt Lake City in March 2022. They offered us a flight to a different city in Texas 3 days later with zero other offer of help or compensation. We had paid a lot for the round trip tickets and they just refunded us for the ticket home and we had to rent a car and drive back to Texas from Utah because other carriers were crazy expensive. We were done with Southwest at that point. Monday night, American stranded us in Dallas and again we rented a car and drove home because they didn't have an option for a flight for 2 days and offered us no vouchers or anything since it was due to fog. Flying is just a gamble these days. The customer service has been terrible in our experience.
AgOutsideAustin
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Dang thats terrible by both airlines.
jorgerr96
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Looks like a bad morning for SWA
Ag CPA
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Good times.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/18/southwest-airlines-departures-pause.html
AggieOO
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glad my flight home isnt' until tomorrow evening.
CDub06
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Came here to post that.


Quote:

"Early this morning, a vendor-supplied firewall went down and connection to some operational data was unexpectedly lost. Southwest teams worked quickly to minimize flight disruptions," the carrier said in a statement.

Looks like they're back up. Hopefully this won't take a week to sort out.

I doubt it's going to be an issue, but I'm not mad that tomorrow's flight is on United...

If you want to track the misery:
https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled
Diggity
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Delayed our flight an hour.

Could have been worse, but damn SWA...get your **** together
DuncanAg
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Waiting on my delayed SWA flight now. I keep giving them chances and this keeps happening.

Buy Business Select and yet they have 20 pre-boards. Think it's full time United for me where I can get a seat assigned. Have loved having the companion pass but it's just not worth the headache.
The Milkman
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The SWA clientele has been deteriorating too. I swear its everyone's first time on a plane or in public
2wealfth Man
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The Milkman said:

The SWA clientele has been deteriorating too. I swear its everyone's first time on a plane or in public
the Wal-Mart of flying if you will. I had a bachelor party all around me on my last trip to BNA
BSD
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Still better than Spirit.
AggieOO
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CDub06 said:

Came here to post that.


Quote:

"Early this morning, a vendor-supplied firewall went down and connection to some operational data was unexpectedly lost. Southwest teams worked quickly to minimize flight disruptions," the carrier said in a statement.

Looks like they're back up. Hopefully this won't take a week to sort out.

I doubt it's going to be an issue, but I'm not mad that tomorrow's flight is on United...

If you want to track the misery:
https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled


A vendor supplied firewall? As opposed to what, one SW made in-house? Lol, all their IT gear is vendor supplied in one way or another. This is PR spin to try to blame someone else.
Jock 07
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The Milkman said:

The SWA clientele has been deteriorating too. I swear its everyone's first time on a plane or in public

Competing with spirit for the greyhound of the skies title?
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