Big 6 Project

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AggiePhil
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I know there's a thread specific to lowered speed limits, but with this five year [estimated] project kicking off, I think we probably need a master thread to discuss the minutia.

So...what have y'all noticed so far? Complaints? Compliments? Personally, I have not experienced any inconvenience or closures. Sounds like the closures are being limited to night time, at least for now (fingers crossed). This has been a long time coming, so I for one am excited.

https://www.txdot.gov/projects/projects-studies/bryan/sh6-central-bcs.html

https://www.txdot.gov/thebig6/construction-updates.html

AggiePhil
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Lots going on already!

Huge yard/lot at Harvey is in place.

Concrete plant near 2818 looks set up and ready to go.

Fencing is up for a large yard/lot at Rock Prairie.

Utility work at Fitch started today and goes through 12/12/25.
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I anticipate my angst while driving is going to go crazy
FlyRod
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Super ominous you used the term "Big 6" because I experienced "Big Dig" in Boston and that was a portal to Hell.
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KBTX said that when they had lane closures on Hwy 6, they would be after 7:30 PM and closures opened back up by 6:30 AM.

I can't believe all they've done so far.
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Maybe subject for a separate thread, KBTX announced a meeting about the Hwy 30 Corridor Tuesday night 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM at Wolf Pen Creek Senior Center..... It is billed as a come & go information meeting.....
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AggiePhil said:


Utility work at Fitch started today and goes through 12/12/25.


I saw they had a dozen bucket trucks and a couple cranes out there yesterday! How is this related to the Big 6? It looks like they were just adding electrical capacity to those lines? But I have no idea what I am looking at.
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WolfCall said:

Maybe subject for a separate thread, KBTX announced a meeting about the Hwy 30 Corridor Tuesday night 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM at Wolf Pen Creek Senior Center..... It is billed as a come & go information meeting.....


Is there a summary of this project posted anywhere?
Stucco
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I thought these were interesting

  • The next 6-12 months will be laying new pavement so they can keep two lanes open in both directions throughout the project.
  • Southbound before the Fitch exit will be four lanes, and the right two will exit while the left two continue, i.e. no merge from 3 to 2 at the "end" of the project.
  • Southbound Fitch exit traffic will maintain their two lanes after hitting the frontage road and the dedicated right turn lane to Arrington will start much earlier.
  • Use of transition lanes around Harvey and Texas all the way to Rock Prairie.
  • Northbound Texas exit is two lanes from the intermediate lanes.
  • Southbound Texas entrance is one lane to the intermediate lanes.
  • The frontage road will be able to bypass the diverging diamond University intersection both northbound and southbound.
AggiePhil
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Tailgate88 said:

AggiePhil said:


Utility work at Fitch started today and goes through 12/12/25.


I saw they had a dozen bucket trucks and a couple cranes out there yesterday! How is this related to the Big 6? It looks like they were just adding electrical capacity to those lines? But I have no idea what I am looking at.

I'm not sure, but it's big and it's on 6! lol

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Maybe subject for a separate thread, KBTX announced a meeting about the Hwy 30 Corridor Tuesday night 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM at Wolf Pen Creek Senior Center..... It is billed as a come & go information meeting.....


Is there a summary of this project posted anywhere?

https://www.txdot.gov/thebig6/project-overview.html
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Fitch & 6 are a mess with that lane closed. Just avoid it if at all possible.

East part of Fitch that is.

I'm just impressed the OP thinks this will take 5 years. I'm betting 10.
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KidDoc said:

Fitch & 6 are a mess with that lane closed. Just avoid it if at all possible.

East part of Fitch that is.

I'm just impressed the OP thinks this will take 5 years. I'm betting 10.

I'm betting we'll all be dead before it's finished…
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At least 7
KidDoc
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TyHolden said:

KidDoc said:

Fitch & 6 are a mess with that lane closed. Just avoid it if at all possible.

East part of Fitch that is.

I'm just impressed the OP thinks this will take 5 years. I'm betting 10.

I'm betting we'll all be dead before it's finished…

I better not be dead in 10 years! We may actually have flying cars by then though...
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MelvinUdall
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Just drop a toll lane down the middle and this is done in under 3 years.
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Adding just one lane in each direction will not do much to relieve the overcrowding. Two lanes would have been much more intelligent. Then the east loop would not have been an issue.
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atm86 said:

Adding just one lane in each direction will not do much to relieve the overcrowding. Two lanes would have been much more intelligent. Then the east loop would not have been an issue.

It will add about 2,200 cars per hour capacity each direction according to TXDot's standard calculations for freeway. That's pretty substantial.
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Not enough. 4 lanes each way from 2818 north to 40 south. Three lanes to OSR and to 105. That should have been the plan.
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BCSWguru said:

Not enough. 4 lanes each way from 2818 north to 40 south. Three lanes to OSR and to 105. That should have been the plan.

I admit that was my first thought, as well. But seeing 2,200 more cars an hour going both directions, I'll have to wait and see before passing judgement.

Not that anybody cares one way or another about my judgement.
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It'll be fine. The simple response, is you're not considering the auxiliary lanes between ramps or the collector distributor lanes at the most congested locations. There will be up to 5 lanes per direction in some locations, not including frontage roads.

There are other factors used in congestion modeling and analysis that aren't always clear to everyday drivers. Think back to the comments on this board that said all those extra stop lights on FM 2818 would only make the congestion worse. Well, that's obviously not the case.
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What he said. Capacity of the road itself shouldn't be an issue with three thru lanes. Upgrading (and adding, in some cases) auxiliary lanes between on and off ramps will help tremendously with the bottlenecking.
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For immediate needs, 3 lanes will be fine. That being said, if growth continues or even picks up for the area, it probably won't even be 10 years before new lanes or designs are needed and we're back to being "under construction" for 5 to 10 years again. Go ahead and knock out 4 lanes each way and we're good for 20 to 30 years with minor projects to be accomplished.
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Wrong. Don't make statements of fact when you don't know what you're talking about. Projects are designed for at least 20 years beyond completetion of construction and include growth during that time time frame.
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Tailgate88 said:

AggiePhil said:


Utility work at Fitch started today and goes through 12/12/25.


I saw they had a dozen bucket trucks and a couple cranes out there yesterday! How is this related to the Big 6? It looks like they were just adding electrical capacity to those lines? But I have no idea what I am looking at.

BTU is upgrading those lines. Not related to the TxDOT work
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etmydst said:

Wrong. Don't make statements of fact when you don't know what you're talking about. Projects are designed for at least 20 years beyond completetion of construction and include growth during that time time frame.

Wrong. My statement stands as correct on the basis that we've seen many road and infrastructure projects where growth has outpaced design or one project ends and a different one begins that will impede the flow of traffic. It doesn't happen all the time but it happens. I-35 in Austin and North San Antonio. I-45 in the metroplex. I-45 and I-10 in Houston where the same sections have been improved and widened sometimes 2 and 3 times in the past 20 or 30 years. I know how government projects work but to act like the designs and projections hit the mark at some amazing percentage defies common sense.

I believe the last time we had a major project on HWY 6 was the overpass project 10 years ago where traffic was impeded for a couple years when they were redoing those overpasses. So while it wasn't widening, it was a major project on the exact some stretch of road in less than 20 years. My point stands, that we now have another multiyear project in less than 20 years for this exact stretch of road and will be redoing those exact overpasses that were redone in 2012 to 2014 time frame if I recall correctly?
AggiePhil
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Staging area at Fitch appears to be in place.
doubledog
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Big 6 will go quickly if the contractors put all of there workers on it for the duration. We all know that they will not. Thus the pessimism in the proposed finish date.
etmydst
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Nope. Ramps, not overpasses, were redone to address cars backing up on to the mainlanes from the frontage road intersections. I almost had a wreck at one of those spots because of those backups.

I for one am glad those ramp improvements were done when they were instead of waiting to do them until they could afford a $600 million total rebuild 15 years later. Looks like most of those ramps aren't getting touched in this project.

So, you'll need a better example to use to justify building miles of unnecessary extra lanes. For argument sake let's say they want to do what your suggesting and future proof the road for 50 years - how long would it delay the project to find the extra money? What other projects get delayed elsewhere and for how long to cover that cost? Which is a bigger need the delayed project needed now or the fourth lane on hwy 6 that isn't needed for at least 20 years?
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Oddly enough for the first time in history (aside from the Black Death and Spanish Flu) we are in a phase of population decline in the developed world. I don't see that changing with a large portion of the younger generation not having kids or having one. If we don't have a large increase in legal immigration we, as a county, are looking at population decline over the next 100 years. Thus three lanes is likely to be adequate barring some amazing baby boom in a coming generation.
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Ag97
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So what you're saying is improvements are planned for 20 years of need but expect additional multi year projects to occur in the interim that will disrupt traffic flow for a year or two? Just like we had a year or two of traffic impediments when they redid the overpasses 10 years or so ago. Again, we are back to impeding traffic along Hwy 6 every 10 years or so.

I'm fiscally conservative in most cases but infrastructure isn't one of them. Over plan and develop roads, bridges, police and fire and be conservative on everything else. I don't see growth slowing for this area unless A&M decides to shrink. If A&M is planning on reaching 100K students and RELIS and other industries continue to migrate here, let's get ahead of the incoming population curve. In 15 years when 6 lane Hwy 6 is becoming congested like its become the last 4 or 5 we'll be thankful. It's a mute point at this time for this project but my hope is my way of thinking accepted for future projects.

Bryan/College Station is much like Austin in the 80's. We're approaching a half million in population if you take into account Brazos and the immediate surrounding counties. Once population hits a half million it tends to explode exponentially not the other direction. If the interstate does get developed through our area in the next 20 to 30 years, Katie bar the door, this place will grow even faster.
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KidDoc said:

Oddly enough for the first time in history (aside from the Black Death and Spanish Flu) we are in a phase of population decline in the developed world. I don't see that changing with a large portion of the younger generation not having kids or having one. If we don't have a large increase in legal immigration we, as a county, are looking at population decline over the next 100 years. Thus three lanes is likely to be adequate barring some amazing baby boom in a coming generation.

If trends continue, though, urban populations will rise as our population becomes more concentrated. At least until the inevitable economic collapse. Then we'll all be sharecroppers again, growing what we need to survive, like my grandparents and great-grandparents were.
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KidDoc said:

Oddly enough for the first time in history (aside from the Black Death and Spanish Flu) we are in a phase of population decline in the developed world. I don't see that changing with a large portion of the younger generation not having kids or having one. If we don't have a large increase in legal immigration we, as a county, are looking at population decline over the next 100 years. Thus three lanes is likely to be adequate barring some amazing baby boom in a coming generation.

Yeah but this is Aggieland.
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atm86 said:

Adding just one lane in each direction will not do much to relieve the overcrowding. Two lanes would have been much more intelligent. Then the east loop would not have been an issue.

So....have you looked at the plans or just heard what was being said and reported?

There are much more than just 3 lanes in each direction for most of the area being upgraded. Every on-ramp and exit-ramp has a full lane that is being used to merge...so that makes 4 lanes right there. At some points on the plans there are 12 lanes across with all of the extra lanes on the frontage roads and the middle lanes (between frontage road and main lanes)

There are 3 through lanes for the entire length. And a whole lot of auxiliary lanes, so to say there are only 3 lanes in each direction is misleading

Edit: I responded before I saw all of the other well though-out responses.
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They are planning on connecting Hwy 36 from Freeport to Hwy 6 in Hempstead. They are calling it Hwy 36A

There is work underway to widen and deepen Freeport to handle larger ships.

https://www.txdot.gov/projects/projects-studies/houston/36a/36a-overview/36a-north.html
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