Data Center Out, Ball park In

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EriktheRed said:

Man, this board can be insufferable sometimes.

Here is a proposal for a data center that will bring in millions in tax dollars

No, we don't want that. It doesn't fit in.

We need ballfields. Big complexes are good money makers.

If they are in such high demand, then let the private sector do it.

Here is a proposal that fits in unlike the data center, and is 75% private sector funded.

No, that's no good either. We need to bring in more tax money.

Good grief. A mixed use ball field complex with businesses and restaurants and open space would be AWESOME for this spot. It would make SE CS explode.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Well said.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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The ABA guy presenting at the meeting is giving a 15-minute monologue/autobiography/ABA advertisement
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b0ridi said:

The ABA guy presenting at the meeting is giving a 15-minute monologue/autobiography/ABA advertisement

Why wouldn't he? Would you want to enter a deal with someone you know nothing about?

So far his presentation sounds legit. He is not a polished salesman like the data center guy was.
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I've known Thomas a long time. He's a good guy and has created and grown a great business over the years.
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I missed the main presentation and only caught the question portion.

If this doesn't happen at midtown, will they continue in Millican? Or is that location no longer viable at all?
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The Millican location is out, is what I think I heard.
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b0ridi said:

The ABA guy presenting at the meeting is giving a 15-minute monologue/autobiography/ABA advertisement

Beats the heck out of the monologue by the Priority Power guy.

"I'm a former Aggie Football Player", and had a 2 point GPA.

LOL
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Draw your own conclusions, folks.
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Baseball complex discussion starts at 51:59
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Check out Yancy's speech to his fellow council members on the data center / NDA disaster after the rest of council want to blow it off!!! It's at 5:35:00
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Reel Aggies said:

Check out Yancy's speech to his fellow council members on the data center / NDA disaster after the rest of council want to blow it off!!! It's at 5:35:00

He clearly takes his duty very seriously.
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I think there's some other folks who'd rather someone else do all the work, while they watch.

I think that's a big reason of how we got here in the first place.
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techno-ag said:

EriktheRed said:

Man, this board can be insufferable sometimes.

Here is a proposal for a data center that will bring in millions in tax dollars

No, we don't want that. It doesn't fit in.

We need ballfields. Big complexes are good money makers.

If they are in such high demand, then let the private sector do it.

Here is a proposal that fits in unlike the data center, and is 75% private sector funded.

No, that's no good either. We need to bring in more tax money.

Good grief. A mixed use ball field complex with businesses and restaurants and open space would be AWESOME for this spot. It would make SE CS explode.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Well said.

It is not that these things are not good for the community, it is the leadership of our community that is questionable. How can we trust them when everything they touch seems to turn to manure?
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AggiePhil said:

Draw your own conclusions, folks.


Thanks for sharing. Hard to make the case for 3 fields for 30 million vs 9 fields for 20 million from the city.
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Agreed, but I think there are some stark differences between the proposals.
CS would own the 3 fields, vs only access to the 9 during weekdays and not own any.
Maybe access is what really matters for local ball and not owning them is a benefit overall.

I see some nuances that need to be worked out. Hopefully these aren't ever issues, but looking back at the Midtown debacle we need to stay away from hopes and promises and get the material details on paper.

What happens if the build out is never finished?
What happens if the business goes under or is sold in 2, 5, or 20 years?
Who maintains the fields and to what standard?
Will Southern Roots ever be coming back to the city asking for more money for _________?
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I'd like to see maybe a ground lease for the ball fields. Whatever the maximum term is for $1 a year. I don't think that hurts their financial models? Maybe give Southern Roots the land for their ancillary buildings (lodging, rec center, restaurant, etc.

That way, if things were to go south (not saying they would) the city would have some recourse on regaining the fields, other than buying it again after their $20MM investment.
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Quote:

A North Texas community will vote to form a city in an effort to quiet down a crypto mine


CoCS dodged a bullet on this one. Let's hope the ball park will not come back to bite us.

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doubledog said:



Quote:

A North Texas community will vote to form a city in an effort to quiet down a crypto mine


CoCS dodged a bullet on this one. Let's hope the ball park will not come back to bite us.




I'm certain we did for a variety of reasons. But we did, thanks to the citizens making themselves heard. We learn and move on. I imagine we'll take our time on the ballpark to get it right.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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The baseball fields at Veterans are no longer happening and the city plans to partner with the private entity to bring the nine field project to Midtown.

I wonder for any site work or design that has been done at Veterans, could they go ahead and do more soccer fields that could be used for 7 on 7 as well? Or maybe even softball fields?

https://www.kbtx.com/2025/10/24/college-station-ends-veterans-park-baseball-project-moves-forward-with-midtown-park-proposal/
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The College Station City Council voted 5-1 Thursday to end the Veterans Park baseball field project and move forward with the Midtown Park proposal instead.

"We're going to end up getting more than we had originally envisioned for less money at a location that is as close to the regional vision as you can get," said College Station City Council member Mark Smith.
The city has already spent approximately $1.5 million on design and work at Veterans Park. City Manager Bryan Woods said the city anticipates recovering more than $900,000 of that investment if the project moves forward with the same field designs.

"Of that we anticipate that if we were to move the project and it were to remain the same, basically the design of the fields. We'd recuperate a little over $900,000 of it," Woods said.

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Councilman David White cast the lone dissenting vote against ending the Veterans Park plans. White said he thinks the council should honor their commitment to the project.

"I don't think it's an either, or okay? I think we should go with veterans and then make the decision whether we should go with midtown knowing we have baseball fields over at veterans," White said.
Councilwoman Melissa McIlhaney voted in favor of moving forward with the Midtown proposal, saying Veterans Park was never the ideal location.


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Usually when the city backs a private entity it solves problems for the private entity, nobody else.

Who has control over the facility?
If the answer is the private entity, then COCS 100% made the wrong decision
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Does anyone else feel like the city is just jumping from one big thing to the next way too quickly?

It was veterans a few months ago, then the data center last month, then this ballpark came up 1-2 weeks after the data center crashed and burned, and now veterans is scrapped.
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Those fields at Veterans were originally planned for 4 at Texas Independence Park at Midtown until the soil samples sucked. Then 3 went to Veterans. Perhaps the city could looked further down the road in Midtown in the beginning.
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MyNameIsJeff said:

Does anyone else feel like the city is just jumping from one big thing to the next way too quickly?

It was veterans a few months ago, then the data center last month, then this ballpark came up 1-2 weeks after the data center crashed and burned, and now veterans is scrapped.

I can totally understand this perspective, but it is just kind of how things lined up. The fields were supposed to go at Independence to satisfy the overwhelming demand for more fields. Then when the soil debacle killed that, the city tried to make good on their promise by hand jamming them in at Veterans. The fit was honestly goofy, but the city was doing their best to make good on their promise to put in more fields.

Think what you will about the data center, but the city heard loud and clear that the citizens didn't want it, largely because it didn't "fit" with the area. When the new baseball PPP was presented to them, the Council saw that as a better fit based on what the citizens want, fulfills the promise for ball fields at midtown, and comes at a lower cost to the taxpayers. It also preserves half of the business park in front of the ballfields for business park.

I know it seems like they are just jumping around, but this truly seems like a fortunate set of events that happened, and i agree with council that this is by far the best way forward. In this case it was quite sloppy, but it appears the city worked their way into quite a great outcome.
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The amount of money that was going to be spent for just three parks with a wonky design at Veterans was beyond less than ideal.
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EriktheRed said:

MyNameIsJeff said:

Does anyone else feel like the city is just jumping from one big thing to the next way too quickly?

It was veterans a few months ago, then the data center last month, then this ballpark came up 1-2 weeks after the data center crashed and burned, and now veterans is scrapped.

I can totally understand this perspective, but it is just kind of how things lined up. The fields were supposed to go at Independence to satisfy the overwhelming demand for more fields. Then when the soil debacle killed that, the city tried to make good on their promise by hand jamming them in at Veterans. The fit was honestly goofy, but the city was doing their best to make good on their promise to put in more fields.

Think what you will about the data center, but the city heard loud and clear that the citizens didn't want it, largely because it didn't "fit" with the area. When the new baseball PPP was presented to them, the Council saw that as a better fit based on what the citizens want, fulfills the promise for ball fields at midtown, and comes at a lower cost to the taxpayers. It also preserves half of the business park in front of the ballfields for business park.

I know it seems like they are just jumping around, but this truly seems like a fortunate set of events that happens, and i agree with council that this is by far the best way forward. In this case it was quite sloppy, but it appears the city fumbled their way into quite a great outcome.


Yeah, definitely good point about a few things falling into place at the right time.

But, at the same time, it almost comes across as desperation (perhaps a little too strong of a word) to do something.

Maybe just pump the brakes a little and focus on rebuilding trust with CS residents.
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EriktheRed said:

MyNameIsJeff said:

Does anyone else feel like the city is just jumping from one big thing to the next way too quickly?

It was veterans a few months ago, then the data center last month, then this ballpark came up 1-2 weeks after the data center crashed and burned, and now veterans is scrapped.

I can totally understand this perspective, but it is just kind of how things lined up. The fields were supposed to go at Independence to satisfy the overwhelming demand for more fields. Then when the soil debacle killed that, the city tried to make good on their promise by hand jamming them in at Veterans. The fit was honestly goofy, but the city was doing their best to make good on their promise to put in more fields.

Think what you will about the data center, but the city heard loud and clear that the citizens didn't want it, largely because it didn't "fit" with the area. When the new baseball PPP was presented to them, the Council saw that as a better fit based on what the citizens want, fulfills the promise for ball fields at midtown, and comes at a lower cost to the taxpayers. It also preserves half of the business park in front of the ballfields for business park.

I know it seems like they are just jumping around, but this truly seems like a fortunate set of events that happens, and i agree with council that this is by far the best way forward. In this case it was quite sloppy, but it appears the city fumbled their way into quite a great outcome.



Way more effort and contemplation than "fumbling," but you basically have it. With citizens, council and staff we got this one right. I feel a lot better about where we're at. I hope you all do, too.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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Any idea when the city will get started on Texas Independence Park? Or will it get delayed with the ball fields?
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Bob Yancy said:


Way more effort and contemplation than "fumbling,"

Not the best choice of words, apologies. Council deserves a bit more credit than that.

Thank you for your work through what I assume are a lot more bumps and bruises over the past year then most of us know.
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UhOhNoAgTag said:

Any idea when the city will get started on Texas Independence Park? Or will it get delayed with the ball fields?


No sir it's full speed ahead. I seem to recall design is complete and the contractor agreement awarded. I'll check on a start date and report back.

Thanks!

Yancy '95
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EriktheRed said:

Bob Yancy said:


Way more effort and contemplation than "fumbling,"

Not the best choice of words, apologies. Council deserves a bit more credit than that.

Thank you for your work through what I assume are a lot more bumps and bruises over the past year then most of us know.


Thanks for the kind words. We've had turmoil to be sure but the system worked. Citizen engagement makes a real difference.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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I think this is the right move, so long as staff and council address the unknowns and mitigate the risks to ensure we have a mutually beneficial and air-tight deal. I really hope they (we) get this one right.
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Stucco said:

I think this is the right move, so long as staff and council address the unknowns and mitigate the risks to ensure we have a mutually beneficial and air-tight deal. I really hope they (we) get this one right.


Agreed 100%. It's our duty to ensure that, and I'm keenly focused on it. I think we can accomplish this and generate jobs, tourism, property and sales tax, and real economic impact simultaneously.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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Mr. Yancy - is the hope to still have a field available for Bombers on same timeline as Veterans?
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Mr. Yancy - is the hope to still have a field available for Bombers on same timeline as Veterans?


That's possible, but not likely. I've reached out to CSISD about them hosting the Bombers in 2027 and that's a possibility. Staff are actively working with other entities to achieve the same. I've reached out to my friends at the CoB and that's not looking possible. There are options out there. The owner of the Bombers is my friend. I don't like that this decision puts him in a hard spot. At the end of the day, though, the citizens of College Station have to come first and this new direction offers much better value to the taxpayer, much more baseball for all, and a majority private sector initiative.

When these fields are done, the Bombers will have a home in College Station.

There's more than meets the eye to this project. I think folks are going to be very pleased with this when done. Our fingers are crossed and our noses to the grindstone.

Respectfully yours,

Bob Yancy '95
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Thank you, sir! Look forward to hearing back!
 
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