Is that the same Youngkin that is Governor of Virginia?

Yes. He bought Camp Arrowhead's land.

Youngkin/Old Arrowhead is downstream of Crider's on Guadalupe, not on Cypress Creek

Looks like they've bought up cypress too.

That's not his property

Ducks4brkfast said:

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Burdizzo said:

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What is that well-maintained property to the SE of Camp Mystic on Moore Road, and why would USACOE allow 4 dams along Cypress Creek there?

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If it's what I think you're referring to, the Eastlands own that as well.

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It's been 30 years, so my recollection is a bit hazy, but Mystic property ended at Moore Rd back then. If you look just northeast of the bridge crossing Cypress Creek, that fence line was Mystic's southern border extending eastward. South of that was owned by the Moore's (imagine that) at the time. I don't know who owns what now. Moore's Rd is now gated where it intersects Fisher Ranch Rd. When I worked there, it was open all the way to the bridge. The sideways-tear dropped shape south and west of where Cypress Creek makes that 90 degree bend was referred to by Mystic as Moore's Pasture at the time.

Slicer97 said:

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Ducks4brkfast said:

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Burdizzo said:

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What is that well-maintained property to the SE of Camp Mystic on Moore Road, and why would USACOE allow 4 dams along Cypress Creek there?

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If it's what I think you're referring to, the Eastlands own that as well.

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It's been 30 years, so my recollection is a bit hazy, but Mystic property ended at Moore Rd back then. If you look just northeast of the bridge crossing Cypress Creek, that fence line was Mystic's southern border extending eastward. South of that was owned by the Moore's (imagine that) at the time. I don't know who owns what now. Moore's Rd is now gated where it intersects Fisher Ranch Rd. When I worked there, it was open all the way to the bridge. The sideways-tear dropped shape south and west of where Cypress Creek makes that 90 degree bend was referred to by Mystic as Moore's Pasture at the time.

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That is correct. Burdizzo was referring to the Youngkin's place further southeast than I thought he was.

Lazy me finally looked it up on CAD. The parcels I was curious about are listed as owned by Cool Waters LLC with a contact address of a law office in Ft. Worth. Since Cypress Creek flows through Mystic I was just curious to understand how much flooding was from the river and how much was from the creek (or if it really mattered).

The dams upstream on Cypress Creek look like they have been there for decades.

Secolobo said:

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Think he's referring further upstream. Looks like Coolwater, glenn and susan youngkin...interesting.
Maybe the old camp arrowhead.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/texas/txwdce/5:2010cv00171/411216/18/

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So we are talking about two different camps here, Old Camp Arrowhead downstream on the Guadalupe, now owned by Glenn Youngkin governor of Virginia. There's also the mystery camp/resort now owned by Coolwater LLC, which owns 32 properties in the area, upstream of Camp Mystic Cypress Lake. They also tried to buy Camp Arrowhead, looks like they're trying to buy up as much of the South Fork as they can.

Youngkin was co-CEO of a private equity firm, his net worth was $440 million. His wife Suzanne was a camper at Camp Arrowhead.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/7/9/2332562/-Gov-Youngkin-s-Family-had-to-be-Rescued-from-Texas-Floo

Looking at old satellite images of this mystery camp/resort upstream of Camp Mystic Cypress Lake, the cabins were built sometime between 1995-2004. The larger building was built between 2020-2022 and some of the cabins were torn down and rebuilt then was well. The tennis court is even more recent. Looks to be still under construction, it's set up like a summer camp but could also be a resort with cabins.

Before being sold to Cool Water LLC it was owned by R&S Properties which specializes in commercial properties. So I'm guessing it's a resort that was started by them after they bought it in 1998, was postponed for a bit, now that Cool Water owns it they're restarting construction. Before that the property was owned by Merle Moore Dietert, daughter of Tom Moore, whom Ingram Tom Moore High School is named after, as well as TJ Moore Lumberyard and Moore Furniture.

Lots of edits but I think this is all correct now.

I wasn't really paying attention to source, it was just the first thing that came up. Looks like there's quite a few other sites reporting it as well.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/virginias-gov-youngkin-says-his-family-was-stranded-in-deadly-texas-floods/3952898/

I guess that would make sense she would know about the area.

Honey Creek came from the staff of Arrowhead and Larry Graham from La Junta giving them a place to go.

Honey Creek sits on the old overnight campground, roughrider nominee trip and the Black Eagle initiation site for La Junta. It was also Luther Graham's exotic game ranch.

Burdizzo said:

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The dams upstream on Cypress Creek look like they have been there for decades.

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They were there when I worked there.

The biggest dam is there on the 1955 satellite aerial image.

lexofer said:

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The biggest dam is there on the 1955 satellite image.

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That would be a neat trick.

txags92 said:

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lexofer said:

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The biggest dam is there on the 1955 satellite image.

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That would be a neat trick.

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I think there are AERIAL images from 1955 that give the appearance of zoomed in satellite images.

Complete Idiot said:

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txags92 said:

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lexofer said:

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The biggest dam is there on the 1955 satellite image.

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That would be a neat trick.

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I think there are AERIAL images from 1955 that give the appearance of zoomed in satellite images.

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Aerial photos, yes. Satellite photos, no.

raidernarizona said:

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That's not his property

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How bad did it get where you're at?

If I'm reading the 2010 court case correctly, Coolwater sued because they had a contract to buy Camp Arrowhead, but the camp accepted a higher offer from the Youngkins. Unless they bought Coolwater afterwards, it wasn't owned by the Youngkins at that time.

You're right, corrected my post above.

txags92 said:

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Complete Idiot said:

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txags92 said:

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lexofer said:

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The biggest dam is there on the 1955 satellite image.

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That would be a neat trick.

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I think there are AERIAL images from 1955 that give the appearance of zoomed in satellite images.

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Aerial photos, yes. Satellite photos, no.

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That's what I said - Aerial photos. No need to repeat.

Was just attempting some cover for the other poster.

Good catch.

Only a 4.5-5' rise on Cypress. Appears it backed up against the Guadalupe hard though along with Edmundsen Creek

Big dam is from 1924

Is the Coolwater LLC related to the Bass family in any way? Their offers to purchase Mystic land were part of the lawsuit b/w the Eastlands because they didn't want the camp to expand to Cypress Creek as it abutted their property. I could have sworn his purchase of Arrowhead is what caused it to shut down. Pretty sure this is in the Texas Monthly article about the Mystic lawsuit.

I was counselor to one of the Bass kids at Stewart in 87.

I think we have a winner. Found the Bass Brothers link to Coolwater LLC. Some places it is Cool Water, two words.

The mailing address on Kerr CAD for one of the Coolwater LLC Properties is:
201 MAIN STREET SUITE# 2600
FORT WORTH, TX 76102

The International Rhino Foundation uses this address for donations to be sent to, and the Treasurer of the International Rhino Foundation is Lee Bass...
https://rhinos.org/about-irf/our-team/

I sure am glad we posters are anonymous on TexAgs.

And that is NOT a challenge.

Cool Water is owned by the Bass family. I believe it has the same tax address as St Joe's Island across from Port A. They have a big spread south of Kerrville.

As of 5 years ago, the Bass Family owned this house/lot across from Camp Mystic (red) and the Camp Mystic family bought the (blue) lot/house to use as their "summer home" from the old Sundowner Inn B&B we used to stay at a lot. The old B&B owner said the Bass family was buying a lot of land across the street over the years.

BTW the Moore Ranch looks like an awesome place.

I was back in Hunt this weekend. In our section of the river they are having to go through debris piles that had been stacked last week without sufficiently being searched. They are dismantling them into windrows so the dogs can work them.

I was afraid that was going to happen with all the volunteers just showing up to "do something" but without going through the proper avenues.

Beckdiesel03 said:

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I was afraid that was going to happen with all the volunteers just showing up to "do something" but without going through the proper avenues.

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Much more organized command structure and search pattern. They have a plan to search every inch of their AO from high water line to river.

confucius_ag said:

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Beckdiesel03 said:

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I was afraid that was going to happen with all the volunteers just showing up to "do something" but without going through the proper avenues.

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Much more organized command structure and search pattern. They have a plan to search every inch of their AO from high water line to river.

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Also communication- they are communicating about what is happening, what they need from us and also my wishes as land owner. The group leads were very impressive young men.