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IslandAg76
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I tend to buy a new computer every 5 years or so. When new it is wild overkill for what I need but it gives good performance for the whole time I own it.
What changes, additions would you make to this to improve speed, performance?
TIA


AMD Ryzen 7700x CPU
ASROCK B650-M motherboard
64 GB DDR 5 Ram
AMD Radeon 9060XT OC GPU
650Watt PSU
White Raidmax ATX midtower
ForeverAg
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Most people rarely will ever need above 32GB, on your current system what is your general peak memory usage with Task Manager up?

What are you using the computer for? Any gaming?
satexas
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If you're gonna go AMD, why a 7700 vs say a 9700 that's 2 years newer? Less head/power needed in the newer too, more performance, marginal price difference.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-9700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-7700X/4169vs4131
IslandAg76
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Thanks, as I said I tend towards extreme overkill. I do not need that performance, I just like it, and it stays a very usable machine for a number of years. I'm getting old-so, why not.

The most extreme things I do is a little photo editing and I'll often have upwards of 50 browser windows open at one time.

So looking for suggestions like the different AMD chip. I'm not married to AMD either, currently have Intel.
Teslag
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The 7800x3d is a steal right now and the extra onboard cache may be worth it to you
YouBet
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Agree with extreme overkill. I kept my last desktop for 8 years before I was forced to upgrade.
boy09
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Teslag said:

The 7800x3d is a steal right now and the extra onboard cache may be worth it to you

I could be way off, but my understanding is that the x3d cpus are better from a pure gaming standpoint. 7700x/9700x would be better for productivity/multitasking.

I would pay a little extra and go with the 9700x over the 7700x.
aezmvp
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Hmmm I might take the savings on the CPU/RAM and wait for the 50 series supers and look at the 5070 over the 9060. I feel like the 9060 is going to be the weakest long term component and you might be better off allocating some money there.
IslandAg76
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Is that an nVidia GPU instead of AMD or Intel?
aezmvp
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IslandAg76 said:

Is that an nVidia GPU instead of AMD or Intel?

Yes. Nvidia currently has the 50 series (5050-5090 in varying flavors). Do not buy now. They will have a refresh called a Super variant. Those typically cost the same at launch then jump up for a bit before coming back down. The Super variant will have 18 GB of RAM vs the current 12 according to media reports. It should cost in the neighborhood of $500-600 at launch depending on what's available.

This would be a substantially more powerful card than the 9060XT. It would be slightly better than getting a 9070XT in fact. Again, only at the launch price. But the weakest part of your build is your GPU and it is arguably the thing most depended on for your games. I wouldn't get anything that didn't have at least 16 GB of RAM right now on your video card which is why I don't recommend the 5070. It should have never released at 12GB to start with.

If you can't get it around $550-600 I'd pocket the savings or put it away b/c you'll likely be replacing that card 2-3 years sooner than the other parts because of what's being demanded from games.

In practice what you preach fashion I'm waiting on the 5080 Super rather than building with the available items out there right now. I have a rig with a 3060Ti, which the 9060XT is comparable to in the current gen (not performance just price point for when I got it). It's by far the bottle neck in my build. Was fine for everything I ran initially, but title like Hogwarts and Clair Obscur really taxed it and even other titles 4 years later I'll never get near high end performance.

I'm going to avoid that this time and will make the recommendation to you. Put some money on the GPU, it'll be the best future proof you have. And it's the most expensive upgrade. You can always add more RAM or get a better CPU at a quarter or half the cost of a GPU upgrade.
aezmvp
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Current 5070 vs. 9060 XT
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-5070-vs-AMD-RX-9060-XT/4182vsm2417253
boy09
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By the time the Nvidia Super gpus are released, everyone will just tell you to wait for the 60 series..

If you do go with the 9060xt, get the 16gb version. The 9060xt 16gb is probably the best price-to-performance gpu you can get right now.
IslandAg76
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Great, lot of information.
now I have to sort it out.

Thanks!
satexas
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IslandAg76 said:

Great, lot of information.
now I have to sort it out.

Thanks!


A lot of people ask "what's reasonable for ME" on this forum.

Here's some basic truths :

1. If you buy a PC, expect it to last about 5 years with respect to technology/capability/etc. That's been the business standard for a few decades. Why? The speed of technology/capability of the hardware with respects to the software.

2. What YOU need, is not what I need, and whatever else needs. So 'right and wrong' on recommendations can be muddy. What you did on this thread is best - tell us what kind of user you are, then get the most bang for the buck on referrals.

But again, when getting said bang-for-buck, try not to buy 'too old', because that affects your 5-year clock.

3. If you get past the 5 year clock, as most users do - just recognize you're in overtime. The benefit is not always the same as driving a car you paid off. Old can catch up to you. Computers are now disposable units (monitors, keyboards, mice, trackballs, external devices, etc can go longer without too much affect).

... and lastly, if you shop around the specials and costo's and such, the average casual user can get a pretty darn nice PC in the $300-500 range these days without hassle. And by average PC, I mean without being a gamer and needing an above-average video card.
dubi
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ForeverAg said:

Most people rarely will ever need above 32GB, on your current system what is your general peak memory usage with Task Manager up?

What are you using the computer for? Any gaming?

I too was wondering why so much ram; my desktop has 64gb because of Lightroom editing.
IslandAg76
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Because if 32 is good then 64 is better.... Right?
aezmvp
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Totally forgot to mention! If you're near a MicroCenter look at their MB/CPU bundles. Those are usually decent deals.
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