You're right. The Rangers completely misled the Arlington taxpayers and threatened to leave town. Itwas a farce. But still, the people voted for the new stadium. Should've done their due diligence.

**** the chiefs - they deserve this. Vile organization

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the old Hunts didn't make their money by being nice guys...

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Is that right? I really don't know much about them. I've always had the impression they were good people.

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You're right. The Rangers completely misled the Arlington taxpayers and threatened to leave town. Itwas a farce. But still, the people voted for the new stadium. Should've done their due diligence.

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I was in Arlington for an event a month or so ago, walked around those 2 baseball stadiums for the 1st time.

If you were a non baseball fan and were dropped off there and was told to "meet inside the new stadium ", you would probably be 50/50 on walking in the right stadium. It's crazy.

You're right. Probably greater than 50% would pic the old ballpark. Aesthetically it is far superior. I have a litany of issues with the new place. But I won't bore y'all.

Count me in as someone who hates all of the enclosed stadiums popping up around the country. I live in Dallas and used to go to all the Cowboys games when they were in Irving. No longer attend any as the environment is horrible (not to mention drive to Arlington). Football is meant to be played outdoors, and part of the fun is braving the weather with your friends/family. Texas Stadium had some dome, but with the roof constantly open you got to feel the weather.

They all want the ability to use the facility year round for concerts/events, which makes sense, but we don't have to be happy about it.

They will leave the roof closed (Cowboys and Rangers) with perfect weather outside.

Yep, the Texans and Astros did not open their roof once in the past year.

Wow. Years ago, the Astros would open the roof around the 7th inning once things had cooled off, which was great. I guess an unfortunate rules change prevents this now.

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Man, I guess I really don't get this. There's a ton of fans of teams in different states. They're the KC chiefs…not the KC Missouri chiefs. Again the giants and jets play in the meadowlands, and the only gripe I hear is "how far out of the city it is"

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And the 49ers stadium is like 40 miles away from San Francisco. At least the Chiefs stadium is in the same city.

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Wow. Years ago, the Astros would open the roof around the 7th inning once things had cooled off, which was great. I guess an unfortunate rules change prevents this now.

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This was the best. Felt like you could count on that pretty much every night of the summer at Enron Field.

My boys and I went to Arrowhead for the first time last year, for the playoff game with Houston. Seats were great--can totally see how that place is the loudest NFL stadium, as it felt like the seats were just above the field, even on the second deck, at least compared to Reliant or JerryWorld. But the concourse and restrooms were very dated--honestly, if it wasn't for being such a historic stadium, it would rate very low on my stadium rankings for NFL or MLB. Great place to watch a game, not so great for anything else--which is the corporate part we all complain about but enjoy when we get to actually go to a game. The JumboTrons, the concourses, the nicer restrooms, the suites, etc...they are made for the rich.

To me, KC always has had two iconic stadiums in Arrowhead and Kaufmann Stadium. But, unless you are Fenway, Lambeau, or Wrigley, you are made to eventually get replaced. Dodger Stadium will almost certainly be next to be replaced.

The Chiefs moving from one Kansas City to the other brought to my mind that "Beverly Hillbillies" scene where Jed Clampett accidentally strikes oil, instantly making a millionaire of the poor mountaineer.

The Chiefs in KCK!

That news rained a sense of riches upon me and my fellow natives of Kansas City, Kansas. Our hometownlong known as ugly, backward, corrupt, dangerous, ill- mannered, poorly maintained and shoddily dressedhad lured into our yard a world-famous brand. Best of all, we'd lured it from our highfalutin twin, KCMO, home of art museums, universities, Kansas City International Airport, the Country Club Plaza, corporate giants like Hallmark Cards and the Kansas City Star, where Hemingway got his start.

How'd we win the Chiefs? In large part that came from the city's decadeslong failure to grow, which meant that undeveloped landmiles and miles of it, grazed by cattlelay within a few minutes' drive of downtown KCMO. That land already had greater Kansas City's interstate loop running through it, promising easy access. Also key were two politicians, both women, both Democrats, one a mayor, the other a governor, both masterful at working with the Republican majorities that dominate Kansas politics. The final key? Sports. KCK, long an exporter of great athletes like the Olympic gold medalist Maurice Green, became a sports importer, a brilliant strategy culminating this month in that commitment from the Chiefs.

Enmity between KCMO and KCK has several roots, none more peculiar than the 1872 Kansas-side decision to create a second Kansas City. This was no form of flattery, and wouldn't be allowed between cities in the same state. Rather, leaders of the Kansas-side Kansas City were hoping to steal business from the Missouri one, according to the Kansas City Public Library (the Missouri one, of course!) Goods from the frontierfur, meat, minerals and suchflowed east on the Kansas and Missouri rivers, making KCK the first Kansas City such traders reached.

A declining population amid fixed costs pushed KCK toward bankruptcy during the 1990s, but a new KCK mayor named Carol Marinovich led a successful effort to merge KCK and Wyandotte County, eliminating duplicative services such as law enforcement. Then Marinovich, a Democrat working in conjunction with state Republican leaders in Topeka, offered tax incentives to draw a race car stadium to pastures of western KCK, beating out other bidders including KCMO. Following the opening of that track in 2001, retail,
entertainment and office developments sprouted in western KCK, along with other
sports teams. Among other coups, KCK lured from Missouri the area's Major League Soccer team, Sporting Kansas City.

But the Chiefs?

Even my fellow natives are poking fun at that move, widely joking that the new home of the Chiefs might be named after a famous KCK fast-food joint: Go Chicken Go Stadium. We know that KCMO remains the headquarters of greater Kansas City. We know that our own city has never produced visionaries and philanthropists like KCMO's late R. Crosby Kemper, founder of the contemporary art museum, or the late Ewing Kauffman, founding owner of the Kansas City Royals as well as the Kauffman Foundation. In a sense, KCK is still labor, KCMO management.

In Topeka, Laura Kelly, the Democratic governor of a very red state, who announced the move alongside Chiefs owner Clark Hunt, told a local television station that the deal came together only because, "In Kansas, we work well together across party lines."

How the 'Armpit of Kansas City' Landed the Chiefs - WSJ

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Furlock Bones said:

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Nearly 2B funded by taxpayers. That's GDed ridiculous.

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Owners should be 100% responsible for their stadiums. Demanding taxpayers foot the bill for their stadiums is ridiculously stupid.

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I agree 100% with this, and the main reason I disagree with taxpayers contributing is that the teams will continue to lean on the local and state governments for renovations and hold them hostage and threaten to leave. It's never just about up front costs. It happens with every single stadium. The local governments also end up footing the bill for the logistics as well. MO is still going to get a good amount of revenue out of it even if the team is across state lines because the majority of the city of KC is on the MO side. I'm sure STL isn't feeling great about any money they spent trying to keep the Rams in town, only to see them still leave, even with the lawsuit money. Let the team owners pay for the stadium and the improvements as needed, if they want to leave after they pay for the building, so be it. I think CA is the only place I can think of that said they don't have money for these things anymore which is why the Raiders are in LV now and the A's are soon to follow, or that was an Oakland specific situation, I can't remember.

I don't know what's going to happen in IL with the Bears, but it's going to be worse than what happens with the Chiefs. They already bought a piece of property out in Arlington Heights, IL which is 30 miles NW of Soldier Field. They said they'll contribute $2B to the proposed $5B complex so they want IL to pony up 60%, which is absolute madness IMO. Just think of the additional logistical costs of moving the Bears out of a city like Chicago which is highly dependent upon public transportation, which you can get to the stadium a bunch of different ways. Everyone going 30 miles to the NW is a big problem. I don't like Pritzker one bit, but he opposes funding of the stadium itself which I agree with. Now the Bears are threatening to look into moving the team to NW Indiana. It would make more sense for the Bears to play their games at Northwestern for a few years while they tear down Soldier Field and rebuild it in the same place than it would to move to Arlington Heights. Basically the Bears and Chicago/IL are seeing who blinks first.

The teams weaponize their location against the politicians as well. I can remember living in Dallas when there was a chance the Cowboys would move back into Dallas and the Cotton Bowl would be replaced but Laura Miller was against paying for it and when they went to Arlington, she wasn't mayor anymore because people were so pissed.

Just remember it's the high paid CEOs that are ruining America. Not publicly funded stadiums, professional athletes making 10s of millions with the owners sailing off in their yachts.
Just read Beyonc is now a Billionaire…definitely CEO pay.

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For "HARDCORE Chiefs fans" driving 20 miles must be the end of the world.

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For Golden State fans it's less than 15 miles from the old Oakland arena to the new San Francisco digs. That may hurt more for the Oakland folk than the baseball team absconding to Vegas.

Teams move to make more money, unless you're Seattle and lost a basketball team to OKC.

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They will leave the roof closed (Cowboys and Rangers) with perfect weather outside.

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The Rangers had the roof open for 11 home games last year. They have had it open for playoff games as well. If the weather merits, they will open it.

Now, the Cowboys almost never open the roof.

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That may be technically true, but their definition of permissible weather is absurdly narrow. I went on a pristine day last season, and the roof was closed. The excuse was something about the dew point effecting the concrete in the concourses, which is either a lie or a failure of engineering.