For the companies I've worked for, HR is by far the least diverse group of people. It is made up of almost all white women.

If one woman works in a company it is fine. But once you hire a second one then they hate each other and HR is created.

Hank the Grifter said:

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Guy that blames CEOs for everything, goes on a rant about CEO blaming others for everything.

Film at 11.

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And yet he fails to understand why his work experiences have been negative. Is it that every CEO and everyone he disagrees with is wrong or is it the person in the mirror? The lack of self awareness would lead most to believe it's simply a recurrent troll job.

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Most large companies have operated at the one HR Generalist per 1,000 employees for a while now and are pushing that ratio higher.

Although it's also common to have HRIT, compensation, Pension/Benefits, M&A, labor law, Industrial Relations and Training that exist in large company HR departments.

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If that is the generally accepted standard, then my corporate company was way out of line which makes sense for all of the bull**** we endured.

We were somewhere around 1 HR bot per 300 employees and probably closer to 1 per 250.

Gilligan said:

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If you think HR is a drain, try implementing Workday.

Talk about a morale buster.

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I can't go into detail, but this is not what I needed to hear today.

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Sweep4-2 said:

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Most large companies have operated at the one HR Generalist per 1,000 employees for a while now and are pushing that ratio higher.

Although it's also common to have HRIT, compensation, Pension/Benefits, M&A, labor law, Industrial Relations and Training that exist in large company HR departments.

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If that is the generally accepted standard, then my corporate company was way out of line which makes sense for all of the bull**** we endured.

We were somewhere around 1 HR bot per 300 employees and probably closer to 1 per 250.

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The Bolt EU company, some rideshare endeavor NOT the SF company, for comparison sake has about 4,200 employees and best I can tell has 32 employees dedicated to HR. That's about 130/HR. Maybe the US Bolt company, the SF company, may have modeled its HR on the EU model.

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If you think HR is a drain, try implementing Workday.

Talk about a morale buster.

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If you think Workday is bad, Workfront is demonstrably worse, though not necessarily for HR. That program made me wish I could throw my laptop through the window on multiple occasions.

HR is continually fighting both their employer and the government. They are the first line of defense against the assault of the employees and the restriction of the bureaucracy.

Having said that the safest approach is to stall and deflect when it comes to conflicts.

I've learned two universal truths in my career. Never let the legal department make business decisions, and never let the HR department make hiring decisions.

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Gilligan said:

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If you think HR is a drain, try implementing Workday.

Talk about a morale buster.

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Hate Workday. Almost as much as Tableau and Teradata.

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We just implemented Workday also. I'm retiring in a month.

Not saying there is any correlation. But I sure as hell won't miss it.

Our company has 855 HR "professionals".

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End of thread on first reply

Hr is a useless clownshow w nonstop delusions of grandeur

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I am on board.

HR and CEOs are both useless.

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CEOs are useless? You can't be serious.

We have an HR generalist at our location in CA and she is invaluable in handling all the CA employment bullsheet. We outsource everything else HR-wise though. We had an HR VP who was typical of that position - but we let her go last year.

I wouldnt even say you need HR, but you do need leadership with a backbone, or a board of directors / shareholders that will hold people accountable. My last job was managed by a piece of **** CEO, who was also the CTO. We had no HR, and the board were all his handpicked buddies. He treated everyone like absolute **** and there was not a damn thing you could do about it except quit or be fired.

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G Martin 87 said:

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Gilligan said:

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If you think HR is a drain, try implementing Workday.

Talk about a morale buster.

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Hate Workday. Almost as much as Tableau and Teradata.

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We just implemented Workday also. I'm retiring in a month.

Not saying there is any correlation. But I sure as hell won't miss it.

Our company has 855 HR "professionals".

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Fortune 500 Company? That is a lot of HR professionals!

A great HR department is worth its weight in gold. Can positively affect the entire culture, which always drives success.

A bad Hr department is equally impactful, eliminating every other asset or advantage a company has. The value destruction they are capable of is incredible.


The real issue most of you are referring to is that there are far more bad ones than great ones. I have worked with both over my career.

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A great HR department is worth its weight in gold. Can positively affect the entire culture, which always drives success.

A bad Hr department is equally impactful, eliminating every other asset or advantage a company has. The value destruction they are capable of is incredible.


The real issue most of you are referring to is that there are far more bad ones than great ones. I have worked with both over my career.

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Please provide examples of what the good HR teams did that were accretive to the business and couldn't have been done more effectively and cheaply by other means.

This is alll well and groovy, until employees start suing the company. Then the CEO is going to need HR again.
HR isn't there for the employees, it there to make sure that the execs don't do illegal **** and to cover for them when they do stupid *****

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Science Denier said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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Gilligan said:

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If you think HR is a drain, try implementing Workday.

Talk about a morale buster.

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Hate Workday. Almost as much as Tableau and Teradata.

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We just implemented Workday also. I'm retiring in a month.

Not saying there is any correlation. But I sure as hell won't miss it.

Our company has 855 HR "professionals".

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Fortune 500 Company? That is a lot of HR professionals!

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"Big Oil" company.

Transactional or operational excellence in core functions: hiring, firing, evaluation /promotion, defense against related lawsuits, strategic benefits design and facilitation, etc

Strategic partners with business owners to position the company to attract and retain the best talent at a competitive cost

Defense against union infiltration, or role in facilitating union negotiations if you're unfortunate enough to have them

Risk adjusted approach to regulatory compliance



Those are just a few off the top of my head, and when your HR leaders are competent ALL of these things things work well

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JFC, you would. Lol!

As for HR, it's not to "be there for the employees", and we all know it.

HR exists to protect companies from internal lawsuits, period.

Like FTC said, just hire accordingly and you'll never need an HR anything.

Logos Stick said:

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HR sucks ass. Don't blame him.

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I was gonna give a well thought out answer as to why HR is the cause of most issues faced by US businesses and I fully supported this guy...but "HR sucks ass" is better

No Spin Ag said:

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As for HR, it's not to "be there for the employees", and we all know it.

HR exists to protect companies from internal lawsuits, period.

Like FTC said, just hire accordingly and you'll never need an HR anything.

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Fact: If you do this, most places would not hire any currently protected class. No blacks. No gays. No Trans. No muslims. Maybe no democrats even. These are folks most likely to file lawsuits

There are definitely dumb HR people out there, but the reason there are HR, labor attorneys and labor unions is partially because of dumb line leaders who think they know everything and treat their employees like garbage.

And when the DOL, NLRB, EEOC, etc come calling, labor attorneys and industrial relations specialists hop right into the situation the line leader created to clean up the mess.

As a rule of thumb, if a company or location successfully unionizes, the entire leadership team is gone….

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No Spin Ag said:

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As for HR, it's not to "be there for the employees", and we all know it.

HR exists to protect companies from internal lawsuits, period.

Like FTC said, just hire accordingly and you'll never need an HR anything.

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Fact: If you do this, most places would not hire any currently protected class. No blacks. No gays. No Trans. No muslims. Maybe no democrats even. These are folks most likely to file lawsuits

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That would be a pretty dumb way to build a team. In many industries you'd be eliminating pretty significant pools of talent.

Not to mention, I've been in business a long time and I've only been sued by white Christian dudes.

You believe HR is of benefit? To anyone?

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deddog said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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As for HR, it's not to "be there for the employees", and we all know it.

HR exists to protect companies from internal lawsuits, period.

Like FTC said, just hire accordingly and you'll never need an HR anything.

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Fact: If you do this, most places would not hire any currently protected class. No blacks. No gays. No Trans. No muslims. Maybe no democrats even. These are folks most likely to file lawsuits

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That would be a pretty dumb way to build a team. In many industries you'd be eliminating pretty significant pools of talent.

Not to mention, I've been in business a long time and I've only been sued by white Christian dudes.

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Talent outclassed by drama?

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HR sucks ass. Don't blame him.

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Im surprised infinity posted this. HR are corporate lap dogs that exist for CYA more than actually helping employees. They create way more friction than actually solving problems.

Thankfully HR should be one of the departments hardest hit by AI.

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BWAHAHAHHAHA. When does the valuation go down to Zero?

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Remember when Elon ran off everyone who wasn't actually contributing and all the Smart People told us how Twitter would collapse in a matter of weeks if not days?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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As a lawyer who profits from litigation, I can say with confidence that a CEO who fires his entire HR department is good for business! Mine… not his.

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Based on what? How would firing an entire HR team be good for your business? Unless it is a breach of contract situation or violating one of the few at-will firing exceptions.

Do HR personnel have statutory or other legal protections I'm unaware of?

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I was being a smartass about the idea that a good HR department is a department that makes brutally sure that everything is properly documented, which reduces total cost of litigation.

The most expensive thing that an executive can say to an IP attorney is "nobody made him sign the invention assignment paperwork…"

A good HR department also documents a for-cause firing with a solid case file, before the firing is done. That's a lot cheaper than having me stitch together the documentation by sifting email after the fact.

He's the co-founder and CEO. Its his company, he can do with it what he likes. Good for him.

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He's the co-founder and CEO. Its his company, he can do with it what he likes. Good for him.

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OK, and I am calling the CEO a lying hypocritical dumbass.

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carl spacklers hat said:

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He's the co-founder and CEO. Its his company, he can do with it what he likes. Good for him.

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OK, and I am calling the CEO a lying hypocritical dumbass.

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Sure. Why would he be different?

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carl spacklers hat said:

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He's the co-founder and CEO. Its his company, he can do with it what he likes. Good for him.

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OK, and I am calling the CEO a lying hypocritical dumbass.

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Shocking

infinity ag said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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He's the co-founder and CEO. Its his company, he can do with it what he likes. Good for him.

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OK, and I am calling the CEO a lying hypocritical dumbass.

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As was previously pointed out - current CEO/co-founder left the company in 2022. Company goes in the crapper in his absence. He returns in 2025, most likely with the task of righting the ship, and determines that HR is a root cause of the companies failings. Ergo, he fires the HR staff. What's lying and hypocritical in this action? They weren't the only ones canned, btw, but part of a larger RIF. Sounds like the CEO is doing the job he was hired to do, whether you agree with it or not. Everyone here knows your opinion of CEOs so this isn't a surprise post from you but your knee-jerk reaction that every CEO is terrible and everything CEOs do is terrible is terribly narrow-minded.