Thought it would be a great place to post this as we are going to be gearing up again for midterms soon. Great podcast in general but looking forward to this talk.

It is a long talk but if you have somewhere to drive, you don't need to watch but a great listen while at work or on a mower.



Synopsis: Three pastors discuss why it is a pastor's duty to speak to their church about politics. Howerton is from the Dallas area. One is from Arizona and the last pastor is from the Washington area.

They discuss the stigma of how in the past church and politics don't mix. They discuss why each of them each were called to speak out against the evilness of some of the policies of the day.

Overall, great discussion and should be a watch for any pastor for them to think and reflect on what they are being called to do. Also a great watch for a Christian into getting g involved and being purposeful as statesmen.

You need to add summary, context, and provide a take. You can't just link a video or the thread will get locked.

I'm very far to the right but I agree with Alex. And this needs to be enforced.

We have had way too much of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

People can politic and say what they want, but they should then not be able to stand behind a tax exemption shield.

We do have separation of church and state. Remember our history and what our founding fathers were fleeing from.

We also have an actual first amendment.

When you take away a benefit based on speech, that violates it. HTH.


The whole thing was started by LBJ. It's a leftist tool.

Got a Natty! said:

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I'm very far to the right but I agree with Alex. And this needs to be enforced.

We have had way too much of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

People can politic and say what they want, but they should then not be able to stand behind a tax exemption shield.

We do have separation of church and state. Remember our history and what our founding fathers were fleeing from.

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Where do you draw the line between the religious and the political?

That would be up to the IRS. Obviously that would change from administration to administration. But on a large scale it has never been enforced.

My last few years I worked for the Border Protection Unit in TX. I advised and assisted LEO and prosecution on the TX/Mexico border with transnational crimes. Out of curiosity I went to a few meetings of "do gooders" in San Antonio.
Catholic Charities was the big player at these meetings, helping IAs find housing, medical care, legal services etc.

I thought their stances on illegal immigration was toeing the line on politics v. charitable work. Instances such as that would be hard to enforce. A preacher getting on the pulpit and saying vote for a certain candidate is crossing the line. A preacher saying abortion is a sin, or divorce or adultry is a sin is just preaching the Bible.

I have not listened to the podcast above but the above is my take on this issue. Any way you cut it, it's a hard issue to navigate/enforce.

Yikes. Basic premise is that by preaching the Bible and connecting the dots to real world examples, a pastor can essentially point to one party that isn't openly promoting sin in its playbook.

Not a preaching or a church problem. Just speaking God's word into every day life, in which politics is a part of everyday life, as a religious leader they have to speak into that area also. If a pastor is unwilling to preach in all aspects of life, then the devil will scream there.

I would encourage that before you speak about why a pastor shouldn't or can't speak about politics, listen to the video.

Who else makes that decision?

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That would be up to the IRS.

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"Very far right" my ass.


Let DC lib bureaucrats decide what speech is okay. Do you even hear yourself?

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FIFY, and it's still viewpoint discrimination.

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Im Gipper said:

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It's discrimination against a certain type of speech.

Your view is held by lots of Libs. Doesn't make it right.
And the folks who starred this should be embarrassed.


Thank you Pres Trump for effectively fixing this!

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No it isn't. Churches got tax exemptions because they were apolitical. If they choose to drop that facade they should pay taxes just like everyone else does.

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That's flat out not true. What a ridiculous take

Would that mean that saying we have a moral duty to vote for the pro life candidate against the pro choice candidate crosses the line for you?

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Churches are more than free to preach politics from the pulpit. But they should lose their tax exemption

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Screw that garbage!

Sincerely yours,

The First Amendment

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The first amendment has never meant freedom from the consequences of your speech.

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The first amendment has never meant freedom from the consequences of your speech.

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Absurd statement in this context!

The government cannot punish you for saying political things!

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The first amendment has never meant freedom from the consequences of your speech.

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Absurd statement in this context!

The government cannot punish you for saying political things!

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Then change the law. Cause as written they can pull your tax exempt status.

Who needs the pastor, priest, or rabbi telling them how to vote anyways.

As a weekly Baptist churchgoer, I'd sincerely rather be slaughtered in the sanctuary along with my entire family by Sharia super soldiers than hear about border policy from the pulpit.

But each to his own, glad we all get to pick our own church.

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As a weekly Baptist churchgoer, I'd sincerely rather be slaughtered in the sanctuary along with my entire family by Sharia super soldiers than hear about border policy from the pulpit.

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A true man of God.

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The first amendment has never meant freedom from the consequences of your speech.

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Absurd statement in this context!

The government cannot punish you for saying political things!

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Tell the IRS under Barry that...

Which constitutional amendment speaks to a separation of church and state?

On one hand, I think it is right and good for a pastor to to take a stand on issues that are, in his appraisal, scriptually unambiguous and nonnegotiable. I think maybe where the line is crossed, at least for me, is if the pastor is taking that and placing an explicit moral imperative on which way his congregation specifically vote. Because if you say, "this is the good party, this is the evil party," you are personally taking on the baggage of the favored party, and implicitly assigning that baggage to Christ as well.

Now, I've only listened to about half the OP podcast, and I can't say where these guys fall between those extremes, that's just personally where the line lies if I'm looking for a church, and why I think politics is something best addressed from the pulpit by insinuation, and you know, teaching your people the Bible and trusting they'll know how to apply it in their political decisions along with everything else.