Border Wall going up in Big Bend National Park
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Last: 11 days ago by TRD-Ferguson
Bad Trump.
I went before it became a haven to the neuvo-bougie who love them Terlingua and Marfa, and once since.
And as with all things, the privileged and entitled do, they ruined everything that made that part of Texas unique and special.
Trump can build a twenty-foot wall around that entire part of Texas for all I care now.
That area used to be a real gem to this state. Used to.
And as with all things, the privileged and entitled do, they ruined everything that made that part of Texas unique and special.
Trump can build a twenty-foot wall around that entire part of Texas for all I care now.
That area used to be a real gem to this state. Used to.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Stupid, wasteful, and useless there. There simply are not illegal crossings in big bend due to the extreme isolation. This is really really dumb and someone needs to tell the administration this bluntly
MouthBQ98 said:
Stupid, wasteful, and useless there. There simply are not illegal crossings in big bend due to the extreme isolation. This is really really dumb and someone needs to tell the administration this bluntly
But it would be if not addressed. You're underestimating the cartels. No?
Big Bend area looks like a good place to die if you happen to be on foot. There must be some trafficking activity through there, I have come across border patrol between Alpine & Terlingua multiple times over the past 15ish years.
I can understand hating some of what has happened to Terlingua and Marfa, but I don't know that I'd describe it as bougie. ha.
I can understand hating some of what has happened to Terlingua and Marfa, but I don't know that I'd describe it as bougie. ha.
Have you been there? I've been there and driven the river road and interior roads.
There is NO WAY a major smuggling or crossing operation can be conducted.
There is no bridge. There is one crossing to an extremely isolated tiny border town, by burro or a little boat. No vehicle crossing at all. I mean it might be 500 people there in Boquillas. The park roads along the river are all jeep trails except at 2 locations: the rio grange village campground, and near the Castolon center. The paved roads are very few and there is only 2 ways in or out of the park: long isolated 2 lane blacktops that would be extremely easy to monitor. There are a a couple of extremely rough offroad jeep trails on the east side of the park but very inefficient for transport.
On the south side of the river is virtually nothing but open rough desert and mountain country. No major roads, nothing.
It's literally the worse possible route to take to disguise any volume of unlawful traffic. Anything substantial would immediately stick out with just a few cameras placed at the right locations.
It's a really dumb and wasteful idea to fence it unless substantial overland traffic is detected somehow.
Over in presidio, maybe I could see it, but the entire area is very rough terrain and very inhospitable and any buildup of infrastructure to facilitate illegal activity would stick out right away.
There is NO WAY a major smuggling or crossing operation can be conducted.
There is no bridge. There is one crossing to an extremely isolated tiny border town, by burro or a little boat. No vehicle crossing at all. I mean it might be 500 people there in Boquillas. The park roads along the river are all jeep trails except at 2 locations: the rio grange village campground, and near the Castolon center. The paved roads are very few and there is only 2 ways in or out of the park: long isolated 2 lane blacktops that would be extremely easy to monitor. There are a a couple of extremely rough offroad jeep trails on the east side of the park but very inefficient for transport.
On the south side of the river is virtually nothing but open rough desert and mountain country. No major roads, nothing.
It's literally the worse possible route to take to disguise any volume of unlawful traffic. Anything substantial would immediately stick out with just a few cameras placed at the right locations.
It's a really dumb and wasteful idea to fence it unless substantial overland traffic is detected somehow.
Over in presidio, maybe I could see it, but the entire area is very rough terrain and very inhospitable and any buildup of infrastructure to facilitate illegal activity would stick out right away.
Build the wall on mexicos side. No reason to build it on our side of the river.
Drones, towers with cameras, increased patrols...That beats cutting off the Rio Grande from the American side by a country mile...
Thaddeus73 said:
Drones, towers with cameras, increased patrols...That beats cutting off the Rio Grande from the American side by a country mile...
Armed drones. Create a DMZ. Problem solved.
We're in a cold war with the cartels and their buds in whatever enemy nation with whom they share common cause. Open borders is one of their weapons. The US Left are their useful idiots.
Sorry for anyone here who overweights sentimentality re: the park and the rio vs our security and sovereignty...we have a war to win here.
good trump.
Sorry for anyone here who overweights sentimentality re: the park and the rio vs our security and sovereignty...we have a war to win here.
good trump.
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
This is a question of priorities. Has the wall been completed everywhere else because this is about the harshest environment possible to try and cross. Death almost a certainty. Focus the wall in areas that are easy to cross first.
What an incredibly stupid idea.
GenericAggie said:MouthBQ98 said:
Stupid, wasteful, and useless there. There simply are not illegal crossings in big bend due to the extreme isolation. This is really really dumb and someone needs to tell the administration this bluntly
But it would be if not addressed. You're underestimating the cartels. No?
No. No one is walking into America from big bend unless they want a high chance of dying. And the only roads north from there are manned with BP stops already.
Do like Disney and just hang some desert landscape painted scrim over the fence.
There is a solution here. But none should be considered if it doesnt include a barrier to entry.
There is a solution here. But none should be considered if it doesnt include a barrier to entry.
HTownAg98 said:
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
Fun fact. That's the entrance to Santa Elena Canyon. And I personally hav waded across the river into Mexico at that very spot.
I can sort of understand some form of wall in the desert of NM, AZ, and CA.
But along a river, it can't be built in the flood plain, so you end up with a DMZ where someone can still cross over and give birth, ask for asylum, commit a crime, etc. Meanwhile, the wall cuts Americans off from the river, cuts wildlife from the river, creates a flood hazard (either from the Rio Grande or the many small streams that feed into it).
The wall, along with 150 feet on each side of it for maintenance, patrol, and security zone, plus lights, cameras, and vehicles running up and down, absolutely tramples on private property rights. The border patrol has always had the right to enter land within 25 miles of the river. And as much of a nuisance as that could be, at least it was your land. The wall is taking that land from families that have owned it for generations. This won't be done with a normal eminent domain process, which is bad enough. The feds are setting up to use the Declaration of Taking so that they just have to put their estimate of value aside and then they can take your land and start construction immediately - all they need is a federal judge to sign the order.
Most illegal immigration stems from people overstaying their visas. Most drugs come across via a bridge. Trump's policies in the last year have clearly demonstrated that enforcing our current laws is more effective than spending billions on a wall. The physical wall in Texas is nothing more than political theatre.
But along a river, it can't be built in the flood plain, so you end up with a DMZ where someone can still cross over and give birth, ask for asylum, commit a crime, etc. Meanwhile, the wall cuts Americans off from the river, cuts wildlife from the river, creates a flood hazard (either from the Rio Grande or the many small streams that feed into it).
The wall, along with 150 feet on each side of it for maintenance, patrol, and security zone, plus lights, cameras, and vehicles running up and down, absolutely tramples on private property rights. The border patrol has always had the right to enter land within 25 miles of the river. And as much of a nuisance as that could be, at least it was your land. The wall is taking that land from families that have owned it for generations. This won't be done with a normal eminent domain process, which is bad enough. The feds are setting up to use the Declaration of Taking so that they just have to put their estimate of value aside and then they can take your land and start construction immediately - all they need is a federal judge to sign the order.
Most illegal immigration stems from people overstaying their visas. Most drugs come across via a bridge. Trump's policies in the last year have clearly demonstrated that enforcing our current laws is more effective than spending billions on a wall. The physical wall in Texas is nothing more than political theatre.
HTownAg98 said:
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
Feel free to side with Mother Jones and AOC on the issue based on a headline.
I'll stick with the Trump admin until further notice.
No Spin Ag said:
I went before it became a haven to the neuvo-bougie who love them Terlingua and Marfa, and once since.
And as with all things, the privileged and entitled do, they ruined everything that made that part of Texas unique and special.
Trump can build a twenty-foot wall around that entire part of Texas for all I care now.
That area used to be a real gem to this state. Used to.
Been many many times. My favorite part of Texas. But yes, the insta-thots have ruined Terlingua.
Just asinine to mess with that part of the river. It is not viable logistically to run large number of wets through there, no good feeder highways on the Mex side, little if any public transportation and no good storage/stash areas. Same thing once you get across the river. And there is not a lot of cover, i.e. population to scatter into or hide out in.
Amount of dope that gets muled across the river, any part of the river, is insignificant and much more so in that area.
Bad deal all the way around and a total waste.
Amount of dope that gets muled across the river, any part of the river, is insignificant and much more so in that area.
Bad deal all the way around and a total waste.
HTownAg98 said:
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
I mean, it doesn't all look like that, but yea... when you cross on foot - where the hell do you go?
. Haven't been to Big Bend country but I understand what you mean. Visit Santa Fe, NM and you can picture what a wonderful place it once was.No Spin Ag said:
I went before it became a haven to the neuvo-bougie who love them Terlingua and Marfa, and once since.
And as with all things, the privileged and entitled do, they ruined everything that made that part of Texas unique and special.
Trump can build a twenty-foot wall around that entire part of Texas for all I care now.
That area used to be a real gem to this state. Used to.
Sid Farkas said:HTownAg98 said:
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
Feel free to side with Mother Jones and AOC on the issue based on a headline.
I'll stick with the Trump admin until further notice.
I'm always amazed when people are confronted with evidence that proves their point of view is wrong and instead of thinking thoughtfully about their beliefs they just stick their fingers in their ears and makes loud noises.
The Collective said:HTownAg98 said:
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
I mean, it doesn't all look like that, but yea... when you cross on foot - where the hell do you go?
Nowhere. There's nowhere to go without a car.
Ol_Ag_02 said:No Spin Ag said:
I went before it became a haven to the neuvo-bougie who love them Terlingua and Marfa, and once since.
And as with all things, the privileged and entitled do, they ruined everything that made that part of Texas unique and special.
Trump can build a twenty-foot wall around that entire part of Texas for all I care now.
That area used to be a real gem to this state. Used to.
Been many many times. My favorite part of Texas. But yes, the insta-thots have ruined Terlingua.
Yeah, yet another reason why social media is a pox on our society.
The Hill Country is no better now, and it's only getting worse the more and more people from Austin, and people like them, flood that area of the state.
Not trying to derail the thread, just adding to my "old man yells at clouds" frustrations of those types.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Question....
Do we know if the wall will cover the areas with the canyons? Or is it only for other areas that are deemed accessible?
Seems like a natural border deterrent wouldn't need to be messed with.
It's the sort of place a prepared, trained person COULD try to cross. However with the lack of people and infrastructure, they would stick out like a sore thumb. i think high tech surveillance would actually be much more effective here than a physical barrier.
Ol_Ag_02 said:Sid Farkas said:HTownAg98 said:
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
Feel free to side with Mother Jones and AOC on the issue based on a headline.
I'll stick with the Trump admin until further notice.
I'm always amazed when people are confronted with evidence that proves their point of view is wrong and instead of thinking thoughtfully about their beliefs they just stick their fingers in their ears and makes loud noises.
The whole point of border walls was to slow or prevent crossings at areas that couldn't be consistently monitored in order to force them into checkpoints or patrolled areas.
There's no reason to put walls at natural barriers. Anyone crazy enough to try to cross Big Bend on foot is going to get in one way or another. Waste of money and a desecration of the landscape.
There's no reason to put walls at natural barriers. Anyone crazy enough to try to cross Big Bend on foot is going to get in one way or another. Waste of money and a desecration of the landscape.
And quite frankly, this is textbook Trump trolling designed to get people worked up.
As someone who does not want to see a border wall I have to say this is just not true. There are plenty of illegal crossings in the Big Bend Region. I've heard first hand stories from guys that walked from La Linda all the way to Fort Stockton. It's not at the frequency found in other areas of the state and country but there is definitely smuggling going on in the area.
If the landscape of that area does not deter illegal crossings I don't think a border wall will. Surely with today's technology and the limited access points between Presidio and Langtry the government can figure out a way to secure the border that wont completely screw up the landscape.
If the landscape of that area does not deter illegal crossings I don't think a border wall will. Surely with today's technology and the limited access points between Presidio and Langtry the government can figure out a way to secure the border that wont completely screw up the landscape.
Ol_Ag_02 said:Sid Farkas said:HTownAg98 said:
Explain how putting a wall here would be useful. Juan isn't jumping across that river.
Feel free to side with Mother Jones and AOC on the issue based on a headline.
I'll stick with the Trump admin until further notice.
I'm always amazed when people are confronted with evidence that proves their point of view is wrong and instead of thinking thoughtfully about their beliefs they just stick their fingers in their ears and makes loud noises.
It's the party over policy flaw.
The party says we need a wall where we have natural barriers, but the logical policy says no we don't.
Learn about the Texas Nationalist Movement
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Denying Texans access to the Rio Grande is a bad idea.
Besides, with today's technology, walls are unnecessary.
( ...voice punctuated with a clap of distant thunder... )
Besides, with today's technology, walls are unnecessary.
( ...voice punctuated with a clap of distant thunder... )
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