Illinois Priest using the Eucharist as a prop

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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 1:22p, 10/16/25
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Quo Vadis? said:
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You cannot have an honest discussion with someone holding a gun to your head- as the saying goes. It is clear that you jumped to a conclusion with your choice of words and now want to switch the topic.


I have zero desire to switch the topic. The fact that you don't understand how a priest leading an impromptu Eucharist procession up to a DETENTION CENTER, and being befuddled as to why he's not let in, shows you're not a serious person.

He absolutely knew he wasn't going to be let in. He had a greater chance of showing up in person, and asking to be let in to minister to the detained, but he didn't do that did he? He chose to make a big spectacle and used Christ himself as a prop.

This.

Also isn't there something about don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing? I was very involved in a Pro-Life group back in college. Stood for hours outside abortion centers. Texags is probably the only people that know that and you don't know my name.
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6:03a, 10/17/25
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For those on the outside of the club that can see transubstantiation as an unconvincing gimmick, it's wild to watch people get so upset over something that's scientifically and physically, a cracker.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 7:47a, 10/17/25
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For those on the outside of the club that can see transubstantiation as an unconvincing gimmick, it's wild to watch people get so upset over something that's scientifically and physically, a cracker.


Yes, that club is called "believers in Christ". He rose from the dead, I think he's quite capable of the supernatural.

Even satanists have more faith in the power of the Eucharist than you do. You're the lukewarm middle that gets spewed forth.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 8:25a, 10/17/25
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For those on the outside of the club that can see transubstantiation as an unconvincing gimmick, it's wild to watch people get so upset over something that's scientifically and physically, a cracker.

Crazy that a "cracker" starts bleeding and that it exhibits consistently type AB+ blood, and that these crackers test as stressed cardiac tissue. Crazy.

https://www.miracolieucaristici.org/en/Liste/list.html
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 8:35a, 10/17/25
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Without going into great detail. I was somewhere with 5 or 6 tabernacles very close. It was about this time 35 years ago. Out walking and discovered burnt black candles. Found 3 of what I figured were 5 because there was an active satanic group in the area. They were spaced out to encircle that area.

I was in a rage! I kicked them with a pretty solid stream of profanity flowing out my mouth. Sadly I'd still probably act that way today. I know it was pointless on their part and a feeble attempt. But damn it. It pissed me off.

But yes! satanists believe in the real presence. They vandalize Catholic churches because they know the truth.
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12:09p, 10/17/25
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Apparently I am not allowed to immigrate to Vatican City. Would they not deport me? Sounds like NIMBY.
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In reply to 747Ag • 12:18p, 10/17/25
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Ol_Ag_02 said:
For those on the outside of the club that can see transubstantiation as an unconvincing gimmick, it's wild to watch people get so upset over something that's scientifically and physically, a cracker.

Crazy that a "cracker" starts bleeding and that it exhibits consistently type AB+ blood, and that these crackers test as stressed cardiac tissue. Crazy.

https://www.miracolieucaristici.org/en/Liste/list.html


Bro, it's cardiac tissue mold. Happens all the time
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 10:09a, 10/18/25
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Ok, help me understand then why you think these Catholics (led by a priest no less) are any different than the Eucharist processions at abortion facilities?

Having been a part of the latter, I can tell you that we did not expect to stop abortion that day, but we wanted to bring Christ to the people and unborn babies.

You say he was using the Eucharist as a prop, I don't see it at all. It was brave because they knew that they were likely to get denied or worse.

Who are we to question their beliefs in the real presence? Who are we to say there is only one way to bring Christ to the people?

As someone (dressed in a white habit and a black cape) once said - "no one has a monopoly on the mission"
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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:57a, 10/18/25
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Because they're weaponizing the Eucharist to create the illusion that there's an injustice where there's no injustice. That's evil. You understand perfectly, and are just pretending not to understand.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 12:03p, 10/18/25
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Ok, help me understand then why you think these Catholics (led by a priest no less) are any different than the Eucharist processions at abortion facilities?

Having been a part of the latter, I can tell you that we did not expect to stop abortion that day, but we wanted to bring Christ to the people and unborn babies.

You say he was using the Eucharist as a prop, I don't see it at all. It was brave because they knew that they were likely to get denied or worse.

Who are we to question their beliefs in the real presence? Who are we to say there is only one way to bring Christ to the people?

As someone (dressed in a white habit and a black cape) once said - "no one has a monopoly on the mission"


There's a huge difference in the messaging between a protest of abortion and a protest of the detention of suspected illegal immigrants and families.

One is murder, the other is likely justified.

With that being said I'm only familiar with prayer rallies at abortion clinics, the Eucharistic processions have all marched around the clinics, and not tried to enter. Had they marched up to the gates of the Planned Parenthood in Houston and tried to enter, I would have said it was using Christ as a prop, as there is no chance they would be allowed to enter, they're just trying to create a scene and create controversy.

It would be like marching a Eucharistic procession up to Huntsville supermax during an execution and being surprised they won't let you into the viewing.

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In reply to Bob Lee • 12:05p, 10/18/25
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Because they're weaponizing the Eucharist to create the illusion that there's an injustice where there's no injustice. That's evil. You understand perfectly, and are just pretending not to understand.


Absolutely. Abortion is evil, objectively. Detaining suspected illegal immigrants are not.
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 2:53p, 10/18/25
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Quo Vadis? said:
Bob Lee said:
Because they're weaponizing the Eucharist to create the illusion that there's an injustice where there's no injustice. That's evil. You understand perfectly, and are just pretending not to understand.

Absolutely. Abortion is evil, objectively. Detaining suspected illegal immigrants are not.

The seamless garment heresy strikes again... and of course it's Chicago... the origin of said heresy. The originator, Cardinal Bernadin is said to be of the abusive persuasion as well as a participant in satanic rituals. Makes sense. Kyrie Eleison.
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In reply to Bob Lee • 3:10p, 10/18/25
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If the spiritual needs of the people being detained are denied- that IS an injustice.
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 3:13p, 10/18/25
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I am not comparing the evil- you are. I am arguing that bringing Christ to the people, in this case using a monstrance and procession is no different.

Answer this question then- Is there a monopoly on the mission? In other words, is there only one way to bring the word of God to the people?

ETA: They are not there to stop detaining people, they said they were there to bring the sacraments to the people. There is a difference.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 3:48p, 10/18/25
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PabloSerna said:
If the spiritual needs of the people being detained are denied- that IS an injustice.

Indeed. I'll refer you and the Archdiocese of Chicago to see what Archbishop Wenski and his archdiocese did with respect to ministering to the detained immigrants....

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article311578479.html
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In reply to PabloSerna • 3:48p, 10/18/25
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PabloSerna said:
If the spiritual needs of the people being detained are denied- that IS an injustice.


They're not and that's precisely the problem with it. They don't have the right to show up unannounced and administer communion at a detention facility without going through the proper channels, which exist.

They knew they wouldn't be able to get in. It was never their intent to administer communion. It was to use the Eucharist as a tool to feign an injustice.

You would have to be an idiot to not see this was a stunt.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 3:52p, 10/18/25
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Who cares what they said? They're clearly lying. It's not plausible to think they believed they could demand to enter a detention facility after showing up without warning, and they would be allowed to do it.
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6:11p, 10/18/25
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The Eucharist was never used with Operation Rescue.
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In reply to Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy • 11:11p, 10/18/25
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Was not an Operation Rescue procession.
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In reply to Bob Lee • 11:13p, 10/18/25
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Who is lying? That's a serious claim. Bearing false witness serious. Please back it up.
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11:32p, 10/18/25
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The claim has been made that some of the faithful are using Jesus present in the Eucharist as a "prop" -

It reminded me of a passage in Mark 9:38-41,

"38 John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us." 39 But Jesus said, "Do not prevent him, because there is no one who does a miracle in my name and will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in my name because you are Christ's, truly I say to you that he will never lose his reward."

In my opinion, we should not assume there is only one way to bring Christ to the people. Jesus is saying the same thing to the apostles in their time.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:56a, 10/19/25
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PabloSerna said:
Who is lying? That's a serious claim. Bearing false witness serious. Please back it up.


"They said they were there to bring the sacrament to the people".

If that's what they said they're either imbeciles or liars. Which is it? I know you don't think they believed they would be allowed to administer the sacrament under the circumstances.
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In reply to Bob Lee • 12:17p, 10/19/25
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I don't think they are lying at all. It may seem foolish to some but they are not there for those on the outside looking in. Let's see what happens?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:58a, 10/20/25
PabloSerna said:
Ok, help me understand then why you think these Catholics (led by a priest no less) are any different than the Eucharist processions at abortion facilities?

Having been a part of the latter, I can tell you that we did not expect to stop abortion that day, but we wanted to bring Christ to the people and unborn babies.

You say he was using the Eucharist as a prop, I don't see it at all. It was brave because they knew that they were likely to get denied or worse.

Who are we to question their beliefs in the real presence? Who are we to say there is only one way to bring Christ to the people?

As someone (dressed in a white habit and a black cape) once said - "no one has a monopoly on the mission"


Just so it's clear to me as a non-catholic.

In these "processions at abortion clinics" is the priest going into the building? Do they walk around the clinic and show it off to everybody getting "procedures" done?

I did a quick google search and it seems they walk around the facilities or go near the facilities, but don't go in.

So how is that any different than this?
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 6:29p, 10/20/25
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To my knowledge, having been a part of a couple of Eucharist processions, we have a history of taking Jesus with us in times of great suffering. Be that abortion, war, or in this case people and whole families suffering in immigration detention centers.

For some, maybe the OP, they do not see this at all. OP is on record as saying it is their "pride" that brought this upon them - I say there go I but for the mercy of Jesus. Truth is we don't understand it and we do know that families are being torn apart. Even Pope Leo has called out the "inhumane treatment" of detained immigrants as possibly not "pro-life".

I go back to- what is the problem with bringing Christ to the people in this way?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 8:07p, 10/20/25
PabloSerna said:
To my knowledge, having been a part of a couple of Eucharist processions, we have a history of taking Jesus with us in times of great suffering. Be that abortion, war, or in this case people and whole families suffering in immigration detention centers.

For some, maybe the OP, they do not see this at all. OP is on record as saying it is their "pride" that brought this upon them - I say there go I but for the mercy of Jesus. Truth is we don't understand it and we do know that families are being torn apart. Even Pope Leo has called out the "inhumane treatment" of detained immigrants as possibly not "pro-life".

I go back to- what is the problem with bringing Christ to the people in this way?


That's not an answer to my question.

You brought up the abortion facilities as a contrast to this. Do they go into the facilities or stay outside? Is there an expectation they will go inside and parade around for those getting procedures done?
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 9:21p, 10/20/25
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I wasn't contrasting as much as comparing. The purpose of a Eucharist procession is to bring Christ to front of whatever- battle; as in the Crusades, abortion facilites, and the detention center in this case.

That is why I asked the question that remains - Is there a monopoly on the mission? It's rhetorical, because clearly there is not.

ETA: in their own words,
"Before the procession, Jesuit Father David Inczauskis welcomed the congregation to a prayer service inside St. Eulalia before the procession.

"We are one with the Lord," Inczauskis said. "Our faith brings us together. We are living in a time of great darkness, we are living in a time of despair, and we are trying to bring light and hope. God stands with the oppressed. … We want to bring our Lord's peace and solidarity to this situation."

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In reply to PabloSerna • 7:50a, 10/22/25
Which is fine, but again misses the point.

If there is no expectation that when they arrive at the abortion clinic, they will be allowed in, then why is there some belief that when they showed up to these detention centers they'd be allowed it?

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In reply to PabloSerna • 8:05a, 10/22/25
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Since you seem to know what this dude is thinking, got a question for you.

Did he consider abortion, gender mutilation and black on black violence a time of "despair" and "darkness?"

I'll hang up and listen. This dude sure seems like a guy who "puts his money where his mouth is" so in what other areas has he tried to bring the radical love of Christ?

I refuse to use a certain word for him. I bet he is the woke kind that has no problem with the ordination of openly homosexual priest. The fact any priest openly discloses his sexual preference is an absolute joke.
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In reply to Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy • 12:53p, 10/22/25
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Well to me, it is what they say that matters. I posted what he said and it seems to me to be genuine. I don't know anything else about his position on your other points.

All I wanted to get across to this board and any Catholics reading along is that there is "no monopoly" on the mission. I mentioned that I read about this approach from a certain Dominican, now a cardinal, Timothy Radcliffe OP. For me this was important step is understanding the various methods that the faithful ascend to a higher level of faith.

It just seemed like the OP was offended that a priest would bring Christ to a place like that with a Eucharistic procession. Maybe I misunderstood?
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