FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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dermdoc said:

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No apology necessary. You were not harsh. I think some posters might be surprised if they read any of my links. Christian Universalism is not a "all paths lead to God" deal. There is hell and punishment. It is just not eternal and is corrective in nature. Just like a loving Father would do.
This is the day the Lord hath made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.

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Thanks for clarifying that.

How does the story of Lazarus and the rich man who died factor into this perspective? Abraham seems to be saying if you're on the wrong side of the chasm that you are stuck.

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dermdoc said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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dermdoc said:

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No apology necessary. You were not harsh. I think some posters might be surprised if they read any of my links. Christian Universalism is not a "all paths lead to God" deal. There is hell and punishment. It is just not eternal and is corrective in nature. Just like a loving Father would do.
This is the day the Lord hath made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.

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Thanks for clarifying that.

How does the story of Lazarus and the rich man who died factor into this perspective? Abraham seems to be saying if you're on the wrong side of the chasm that you are stuck.

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That parable is set in Hades. Not Gehenna. The word hell was invented by the KJV translators. It is a derivative of a Norse word.

Instead of me trying to explain how a Christian universalists view this parable, I suggest googling Ilaria Ramelli and David Bentley Hart's views on the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

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The Banned said:

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I don't mean to be uncharitable, and I don't think I misreprested. Starting at the 3:00 minute, he says God "does all the work" multiple times. I think he makes it pretty clear that we play no role in our salvation. He makes this super clear around the 4:00 mark.




The issue is his definition of grace alone excludes synergism, but there is no evidence of that. I would suggest the vast majority of synergists would still believe in grace alone. Just not his version of it.

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