AJ02 said:

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I'm going with some sort of assisted suicide.

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I think you're right.

OldArmy71 said:

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AJ02 said:

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I'm going with some sort of assisted suicide.

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I think you're right.

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I don't think so.

Floyd is at his heart a peaceful and decent kind of guy who liked his family.

he enjoyed being that interpreter.

I don't think he is going to off himself.

it was his wife that took Bateman's anthrozene medication which she had access to in order to cash in on the new insurance policies.

Too obvious.

Speaking of the wife,

Has anyone else noticed the emphasis on accents? I am getting a vibe similar to what the Coens did in "Fargo" in the accent that the wife uses as well as in the scene when the female cop interviews the two Juice servers (Watermelon Breeze), a scene that reminds me of the female cop's interview with the two prostitutes in Fargo.

OldArmy71 said:

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Speaking of the wife,

Has anyone else noticed the emphasis on accents? I am getting a vibe similar to what the Coens did in "Fargo" in the accent that the wife uses as well as in the scene when the female cop interviews the two Juice servers (Watermelon Breeze), a scene that reminds me of the female cop's interview with the two prostitutes in Fargo.

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is that Linda Cordellini's real voice?

she definitely has some type of Minnesota accent

they wrote the dialogue very well where she speaks differently than most Americans.

always with the "uh yeah" and 'okay"

coincidentally Netflix has all the Arrested Development series now so I am watching that at the same time with DTF

to see Bateman in both is pretty amazing how much older and different he seems now.

Carry On (with Bateman) is a decent (mindless watch) if you're looking for him in unique roles

Hincemm said:

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Carry On (with Bateman) is a decent (mindless watch) if you're looking for him in unique roles

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he was fantastic in Black Rabbit which was just out on Netflix a few months ago

the series itself was not so great, but Bateman acted his ass off.

This show is great, so far. But I keep wanting to yell lawyer, at the TV. LAWYER, LAWYER, LAWYER!

Also, the assisted suicide theory seems valid, but I think the wife did it bc two bikes were sold. His voicemail to her backs up my theory.

Yeah, the idea that you'd sit in holding this long (because he hasn't been fully processed yet? still wearing his suit.) on a murder charge and not lawyer up is kind of insane.

When are new episodes dropped? We caught up and want the next twist (albeit possibly predictable).

Sunday night around 8 CST.

Well, he finally asked for a lawyer!

And then kept talking.

I'm thinking we are going to discover Floyd's wife is a black widow type. We don't know anything about her but the lady detective is suspicious and wants to keep digging into the wife. I think she will find something. She will be "surprised" to find out there is a life insurance policy that only Floyd and Clark "knew" about, because she didn't want to know about it. She has protected herself every step of the way and ensured that Clark is implicated.

This show is starting to loose me. This past episode could have been half the length.

First, the tone is so inconsistent. At time it plays like a regular crime/drama, but then there are these incredibly odd scenes. Sometimes they are odd because of the nature of the scene (the rap for example), but sometimes they are just played with an odd tone to them. It doesn't really commit fully to either.

Second, the repetitive writing drives me bonkers. Two examples in this episode: (1) They talk in the roller rink and Saarsgard goes on his monologue about recess and then PO Boxes. It then has this dramatic build up music of her pulling out the key and then a few lines about the key. None of that was necessary. You would have to be an insanely dense viewer to not figure out the cop is putting two and two together. Pulling out the key and talking about it is just crazy and hand feeding the audience. (2) Sometimes it's literally repeating things or forcing repetitive dialogue, like the exchange between Harbour and his step son, "I'm trying to be a good father type figure." "You are." "I am what?" then forcing the kid to repeat the completely obvious meaning. Or the cop asking "When we was the last payment?" "You mean the last time it was paid?" (paraphrasing) Again, are all the characters dumb? Why is so much dialogue just hand feeding and repetition of information?

The last couple minutes introduce enough of a twist to bring me back, but the show is firmly C+/B- territory.

Read an article recently that basically stated what you observed is entirely by design. It comes from research indicating that audiences, especially home audiences on streaming services, are incredibly distracted. Writers are literally being coached to repeat plot points, have redundant conversations, etc, so the viewer is able to keep up because they're likely looking at their phone while watching.

In this series, take the simple notion that "Floyd is not gay". How many different ways do they have to state that? we get it. Keep moving.

Yeah, this was definitely the worst episode of the season. Felt like a bunch of repetitive wheel spinning/gap-filling, only for the detectives to finally catch up with what we, the audience, had basically known for two episodes now.

I'm also increasingly confused by the production design of the police station. Every other set/location in the show has a real-world look/vibe, feels totally normal, etc. Save for the police station, which is this strange, ultra-brutalist, almost sci-fi set. It's all dark concrete minimalism, where they still use projectors in one room for some reason, but then have the most elaborate/advanced "mission control" room that only ever seems focused on this one case. That, and for a police station, there's barely anyone else around. I get that for Bateman's character his confines are supposed to feel sterile/brutal/oppressive, but it's so over the top that I'm half-expecting some big weird metaphysical/sci-fi twist at some point over the next three episodes.

All of that said, I'm still into the show on the whole, and am never bored, but it all goes back to the tone issue I mentioned earlier. It's just... inconsistent/unintentional in what it wants to be, on multiple levels.

OldArmy71 said:

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It is a slow burn for sure.

The non-linear timeline has confused me a couple of times.

Still, I enjoy Barbour's acting job.

His character seems deeply unhappy. It is possible that he killed himself but framed his wife and best friend.

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This is where I am going with it.

Frame his wife and "best" friend for murder so the kid will ultimately end up getting the life insurance pay out. Helping the kid seems to be about the only thing left in the world he has.

There's a lot of weirdness at the police station.

The detective keeps interviewing people in the middle of this upscale looking dark lobby, sitting like 8 feet away from the person he's talking to. Clark has two guards outside his holding cell, cause they really need that for the weatherman. The tech room has all their texts and info up on a giant screen because that's how they'd be browsing their devices.

It's just strange for a show that seems to be carefully thought out in other areas.

Exactly. All great points. And because the show seems so careful/intentional everywhere else, it makes me think there's a point to it all other than just "mood."

Absolutely. I thought to myself this episode "In what world does a suburban police station have a room that looks like Mission Control, covering a single isolated homicide like it's the moon landing?

I'm still in for the longhaul but it feels more and more like this is either going to come around to something genius and intentional or a "that showrunner really had no idea what they were going for" situation.

Now that is a very intriguing idea.