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*** SINNERS *** (dir. Ryan Coogler, Michael B. Jordan)

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Watched this and I gotta admit I don't understand the praise.

Thought the horror aspect was cheesy and awful. The music and setting were really well done but yeah thought it was kind of lame overall.
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Same. Watched it tonight with very high expectations. I thought the first part was slow as hell and I never cared about any of the characters. And the second part was a very cheesy horror flick. Beyond cheesy.

The music was very good and the music scenes were cool. That's about it. How this got 97% is insane to me.
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Max Power said:

I saw this on Friday and really enjoyed it. To me it was Coogler's version of From Dusk Till Dawn, and I mean that as a compliment. A couple brothers on the run and they're trying to live through the night, but even if they do you know they'll always be running from something just trying to survive to the next day. Not only are they trying to survive, but they are looking to have a hell of a time in the process. To me the klan showing up the next morning was just to reinforce that they weren't as free as they thought, they'll have to fight their way through each day. I really liked the scene with the garlic, felt like the blood test scene from The Thing. Definitely a great movie to see at the theater so you get the full experience of the sound and music.


Pretty good comparison I hadn't thought of.

Thought the movie was pretty good. Music was great. Looked great.

It's not best picture worthy like some want it to be, but I bet it gets nominated.
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Andyzipp said:

TCTTS said:

I do admit, the KKK showing up in the morning didn't make much sense. Why would they assume none of them had left and that they all stayed the night at the club, so to speak? Unless I missed some key dialogue.


They were going to take whatever cash Smoke and Stack had generated overnight.



I'm obviously very late on this, but the point was that there were vampires in day and night, and the difference was not particularly significant.
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Saw it in Max last night. I thought it was pretty good but agree with the critique that the first part was way too long and the objective did not pay off: I didn't care about any of the characters. I thought the vampire scenes were good, but it was all the other stuff that I found either unnecessary or outright pandering to the "whites are bad" narrative. Worth a watch.
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One thing I keep thinking about when I think about this movie is how I kinda love how they didn't try to explain vampires to us. We know what they are, and enough of the in movie characters did to quickly explain them and their weaknesses. Didn't waste anytime trying to do their own thing
Proposition Joe
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Learned from Tarantino in that regard... No sense in wasting time explaining the lore if that's not what the movie is about.

"I know what's going on. We got a bunch of ****ing vampires out there, trying to get in here and suck our ****ing blood. And that's it. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires," because I don't ****ing believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what I saw, is ****ing vampires. Now, do we all agree that what we are dealing with is vampires?"
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I caught this on HBO earlier and I got to say I was a bit disappointed. This is a movie that takes a hard left turn when the vampires showed up and I didn't like that turn.

I loved the beginning. I thought it was a very unique and set up to a great story and characters set in a really interesting time and place in America we don't see depicted much at all. An interesting story about music, race, power, and crime.

Then the vampires show up and it becomes a "just ok" version of From Dusk To Dawn. And worse it was predictable. Of course the woman who asked to be killed if turned instantly gets turned. Of course the older guy sacrifices himself. Of course one twin gets turned and the two twins fight.

But I really did like the end in the future with the old guitarist being tempted by the two vampires. Made me wish there was a little less over the top violence and a little more vampire temptation.
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That being said. I bet this was an absolute blast to watch in the theatres with an audience. It probably really elevated the section of the movie I didn't love sitting alone watching it on my couch.
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Just caught this on Hulu, and thought it was a really good movie, a solid 7.5/10. The acting was great and loved the songs throughout.

My only gripe with the movie was that the Vampires went from kill/suck blood at all costs, then Smoke lets Stack live and then Stack and Hailee Steinfeld all of a sudden develop a conscience?
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It was an entertaining movie. Not really a fan of one actor playing two parts but besides that no problem with the casting.
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Saw this movie and it was ok. They tweaked the storyline of "from dusk til dawn" clearly, but enough so that it was interesting. I enjoyed the setting of 1930's Mississippi, though the cars were way too new and clean for rural America.

I found myself googling stuff like "Haint" and "Mojo Bag" to learn exactly what they were talking about.

* I wish they would have used a real rattlesnake, the CGI was terrible.

* More of the movie should have been seen through the lens of Preacherboy & he should have had more dialogue IMO. As is, screen time is split and we don't get emotionally involved with him enough. He's not that great of an actor though.

*The movie goes all-in with "all white people are bad", except of course the mixed race girl who is in love with Stack. Then there is the revenge porn of killing off the tobacco chewing KKK. I understand 1930 Mississippi from the perspective of Blacks was definitely terrible. This went a little far IMO and more nuance would have made it a little more believable. There are whites that have fought and died for Blacks to be free, marched w/King, fought for & helped pass laws for Equal Rights, even in Mississippi. Only a small percentage were actually in the KKK, even back then… but that goes against the narrative.

*I realize it's a vampire movie and my race thoughts are perhaps a little much. However, Flip the script and have white gangsters blasting stereotyped blacks and you can see where I'm coming from.

*Overall a good, not great, derivative movie. Better than most these days!
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I'm still trying to diagnose exactly what I watched.

The scenery and set pieces were very good. It definitely had the look and feel of the great 1930s style movies. The cast was great and most of the writing was well done. However, I would have much rather watched a gangster movie with the twins than watch whatever it turned into.

The "horror" parts to the movie with the vampires were so dumb that it truly takes away from the rest of the great parts of the movie. I didn't even feel anything when main characters died because the silliness was so distracting. There was no point to any of it. Honestly the last scene with the pastor's son in 1992 might have been the most rewarding but it look about an hour of bull**** to get there.

So I can't understand for the life of me why this movie is getting such high praise and possible Oscar buzz. It had some good moments and a ton of potential, but the dumb vampire stuff cancels all of that out.


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Mikeyshooter said:

So I can't understand for the life of me why this movie is getting such high praise and possible Oscar buzz.



Proposition Joe
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It's a lot like 'Get Out' in that the symbolism drives a lot of the characterizations -- the vampires had to be 'aw shucks' types, the comedic relief was purposely in a Sanford-and-Son-esque way.

It's very much a movie that is going to be viewed differently based on your race. That's not to say "it's not meant for you", simply that it's going to hit different. I liked 'Get Out', but not best-picture-nomination-liked-it (especially with 'elevated' horror like Hereditary or Babadook not getting critic nominations)... But if I was a upper middle-class black movie-goer I think I would have thought it was best-picture caliber.

I think Sinners is similar. Deserving of director and screenplay accolades, but not necessarily for Best Picture.

Now the song and dance stuff I'll never get -- I always feel that's more dorky directors obsessing with injecting musicals into their TV/film.
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I finally watched this recently, and while I enjoyed it, I too don't understand the level of hype. It is always amazing to get a well made original movie but I wouldn't associate Oscars with this one.

Two criminal brothers unexpectedly meet a bunch of vampires... isn't that the basic plot of "From Dusk Till Dawn"?

My only real complaint was that I felt like it could have used some editing. It held some shots and scenes forever. I paused it to pee at one point and when I saw the time bar I said out loud "There's 45 more minutes of this???" At a certain point the plot seemed a tad predictable, like we knew the fight was coming and let's just get to it already. I did like the post credit scenes though.

Overall a very solid B to B+ but I would say if it's an Oscar contender then it must be a down year.

I had also seen this episode of YMH a couple weeks before so was cracking up at some of the scenes in the movie:

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Does anyone have an article they can post that tries to justify all of the nominations?

It's just an updated version of Dusk til Dawn with a QT revenge scene at the end.

Is this a career acknowledgment nomination for Lindo? I'm fine if it's that.
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Big horror fan. Big Dusk Til Dawn fan. Put me in the camp that consider this one a B. Entertaining but nothing special at all. And if both Dusk Til Dawn and Sinners were on at the same time, I'd watch Dusk even though I've seen it a ton. LOL at all the nominations.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Big horror fan. Big Dusk Til Dawn fan. Put me in the camp that consider this one a B. Entertaining but nothing special at all. And if both Dusk Til Dawn and Sinners were on at the same time, I'd watch Dusk even though I've seen it a ton. LOL at all the nominations.


I agree, but kind of two different type movies. Sinners is a movie that excels thematically and technically (cinematography, etc...). It's got a lot of chops so to speak.

Dusk Till Dawn is hollow and insanely basic when it comes to over-arching themes (oh a priest who has lost faith!). Outside of Clooney and to a lesser extent Tarantino, the acting is atrocious... Keitel, Lewis and the son are all terrible. But it's got Cheech, Jim Brown and Tom Savini... it wasn't trying to win acting awards. It doesn't even try and be a deep movie. It's infinitely watchable because of the dialogue and because it doesn't take itself seriously in the least.

Michael Jordan can act a gangster, but he can't hold a candle to Clooney's "man's man"... Clooney in Dusk and Russell in The Thing top that list in the genre.

I don't think I could tell you more than one line of dialogue from Sinners. Dusk Till Dawn is chock full of great ones... "wet p*, dry p*, cold*, hot p*", "does anyone here have any silver? OK.", "psychos don't explode when sunlight hits them".
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I think Sinners is as thin as can be thematically. Cinematically, a large part of the movie is in a barn. Let's not get too carried away.
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The themes may not have resonated with you, but silly to say that Sinners is "as thin as you can be" thematically.

It's not even in the same stratosphere as From Dusk Till Dawn -- and that's coming from someone that could likely quote you Dusk line by line.
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Pretty underwhelming overall
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Finally watched it last night. I enjoyed it. I thought the first half of the movie was good character development. A little soft in the middle. The music was good. The vampire killing at the end was uninspired. Solid B movie. Have no idea how it got any Oscar nominations.
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Was iced in over the weekend, so gave this a watch. It was ok, but absolutely don't get the hype and certainly not all of the nominations.
  • When they were riding around in the convertible, there was no wind whatsoever on the guy in the back seat. Yeah, it's a tiny thing, but it annoyed me....feels like this might belong in the "Petty things that annoy me" thread
  • The blood was ridiculous. Weird color. Shoots out like a garden hose. For example, the guy who slits his wrist with the beer bottle, blood shot out like a shower head. I'm not expecting it to be completely realistic, but it started reminding me of a Monte Python movie. It was so over the top, it seemed ridiculous.
  • The scene at the end with the machine guns was just stupid. It didn't fit the movie. Felt like it was just some idea that the director had and even though it didn't fit the vibe, plot, or feel of the movie, he was determined to shoehorn it into the movie anyways. How did the box in the ground get unburried? The grenade in the truck driving away was just stupid. Felt so cliche. The only thing that could have made it more cliche would have been if he threw his empty gun at the truck as well. They could have cut this entire scene and it would have been a better movie.
I really enjoyed the music, that's about the best praise I can give it.
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I wouldn't have even thought about Sinners for any Oscar awards, but I thought it was a fun movie. It was like someone spilled a bunch of "O Brother Where Art Thou" all over "From Dusk till Dawn", dipped it in Ralph Machio's "Crossroads", and then reversed the color of the actors. Voila! Sinners!

If the names Willie Brown, Legba or Jack Butler don't mean anything to you, you have some homework.

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Mikeyshooter said:

I'm still trying to diagnose exactly what I watched.

The scenery and set pieces were very good. It definitely had the look and feel of the great 1930s style movies. The cast was great and most of the writing was well done. However, I would have much rather watched a gangster movie with the twins than watch whatever it turned into.

The "horror" parts to the movie with the vampires were so dumb that it truly takes away from the rest of the great parts of the movie. I didn't even feel anything when main characters died because the silliness was so distracting. There was no point to any of it. Honestly the last scene with the pastor's son in 1992 might have been the most rewarding but it look about an hour of bull**** to get there.

So I can't understand for the life of me why this movie is getting such high praise and possible Oscar buzz. It had some good moments and a ton of potential, but the dumb vampire stuff cancels all of that out.

I agree with just about everything here. Great movie but not sure it's Best Picture quality. If they could have done the vampire thing a little less cheesy....maybe. The music and cast were great and ending it with Buddy Guy was just awesome. I'll probably watch it again at some point.
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This movie is nothing more than anti white propaganda trash. The poorly veiled attempt at tossing indigenous peoples into the pot of the oppressed was gold as well. This thing is going to sweep the award shows so they can blast this garbage for three hours straight in prime time. How far the film industry has fallen that this crap ranks anywhere in box office or cinematic merit.
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MJ20/20 said:

This movie is nothing more than anti white propaganda trash. The poorly veiled attempt at tossing indigenous peoples into the pot of the oppressed was gold as well. This thing is going to sweep the award shows so they can blast this garbage for three hours straight in prime time. How far the film industry has fallen that this crap ranks anywhere in box office or cinematic merit.
But did you like the film, tho?
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Sooper Jeenyus said:

MJ20/20 said:

This movie is nothing more than anti white propaganda trash. The poorly veiled attempt at tossing indigenous peoples into the pot of the oppressed was gold as well. This thing is going to sweep the award shows so they can blast this garbage for three hours straight in prime time. How far the film industry has fallen that this crap ranks anywhere in box office or cinematic merit.
But did you like the film, tho?


It's no Police Academy 4 that's for sure.
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I really liked the first half, but it lost me when it turned into a From Dusk till Dawn (which I love) knockoff. The racial stuff didn't bother me, it was set in the 1930s where most white people were racist af. We don't have to pretend that those eras in history never happened. I think if the movie didn't turn into a weird horror, vampire film, it would have been great.
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MJ20/20 said:

This movie is nothing more than anti white propaganda trash. The poorly veiled attempt at tossing indigenous peoples into the pot of the oppressed was gold as well. This thing is going to sweep the award shows so they can blast this garbage for three hours straight in prime time. How far the film industry has fallen that this crap ranks anywhere in box office or cinematic merit.


One of Ryan Coogler's best friends, whom he met in college, is Ludwig Goransson, a white, Oscar-winning composer who did the music for the movie. Michael Shawver, another white guy, edited the movie, while two white executives greenlit it. It also stars Hailee Steinfeld, a famous white actress, whose character is in a romantic relationship with one of the lead black characters, a relationship that endures decades, as depicted in the final scene of the movie. Never mind that Coogler consulted Christopher Nolan (also white) on the use of IMAX for the movie, and sure, we can go ahead and dismiss the hundreds of other white people involved with the making and marketing of the movie as well.

In fact, despite all evidence to the contrary, and Coogler having played high school football and DI football with numerous white teammates, or notoriously being one of the nicest, most thoughtful figures in Hollywood... you're right, random angry message board guy, Ryan Coogler is actually probably racist as ****, and more than likely used white guilt to lure all those white people to work on his anti-white movie.

Surely that's the only explanation.

Or... you know, Coogler simply made a movie accurately depicting the racial landscape of 1930s Mississippi, which was easily one of the most racist states in the country at the time.
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God, you can just feel the seething hatred Coogler has for oh-so-white Amy Poehler throughout this entire interview. In fact, I heard he was contractually forced to be on this "white *****'s" (his words) podcast against his will, and even spit in her face afterwards...

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Don't be a gullible ****. It's a bad look.
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Not taking a side here, just wanted to note that we got a "he can't be racist, he has black (or white in this case) friends" argument in a lot of paragraphs.
 
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