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redline248
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I have watched a good deal of the video, and I focused mostly on the stuff about Sedona, Secret Mountain and Bradshaw Ranch.

First of all, I have been to Sedona, and the big draw there is the energy vortex and crystal phenomena that they claim Native Americans found and all that. We had a Jeep tour in the mountains and the guide stopped a few different times and showed us twisted trees and places where he said he could "feel" the swirling energy. It was cool, and the scenery is gorgeous. I actually recommend going there for a nice trip. No one ever talked about aliens or UFOs (or UAP which hadn't become the popular nomenclature, yet).

There is a military base at Camp Navajo, about 30 miles northwest of Sedona. Secret Mountain is also Northwest of Sedona, so it's entirely plausible that helicopter would be flying around the area. I don't have much to say about what Ross says he saw, but I am pretty skeptical of a secret base under that mountain. I found one website that said that part of the state is used for survival training and stuff. As to stories of armed guards telling hikers to get lost, who knows.

When Ross started talking about the Bradshaw Ranch stuff is when I hit the internet to dig into what he was talking about. For starters, I couldn't find anything related to photos that Linda Bradshaw supposedly took of a portal. He talks about the "cover up" of the fenced off area, and the interview shows a photo of a sign. The Southwest Experimental Garden Array is what it's called (and awesome that it's shortened to SEGA). Anyway, that is a real thing that studies how plants adapt to drought and climate change. They've put up solar panels and generators for their work. Maybe those are connected to the power cables Ross said they found? Also, he talks about a camera on a post looking in a direction and says it can't be for security purposes. Well, I don't think anyone claims it's for security. The SEGA website has a whole thing about their "plant spy ring" so they can literally watch plants grow. Here is one that was uploaded Sunday evening


https://www.sega.nau.edu/
https://www.sega.nau.edu/node/401

Lastly, a lot of stuff he said about Bradshaw Ranch is similar to things that were put into the History Channel's Beyond Skinwalker Ranch series in 2023. As far as I can tell Ross wasn't attached to that, but it doesn't sound like anything new. VisitSedona.com has a whole page written up talking about the History Channel coming out to do the episode.

Now, some of the stuff I could find is still pretty interesting. For example a couple of the living family members of Bradshaw talk about weird stuff. The son opened a jeep tour and I guess uses the conspiracies and lore as things to talk about to interest the clients. His son apparently said he sees orbs out there all the time.

Another interesting thing is that the transfer of ownership from Bradshaw to the Forest Service seems unclear. Some say it was purchased, others say it was seized under eminent domain. I imagine that fuels the conspiracies of secret government stuff.

(for real last thought) Go spend a long weekend in Sedona. It was awesome

edit: Here's a photo someone uploaded to google earth of the sega sign. You can actually see the camera on the post Ross mentioned

TCTTS
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Wow, thanks for the context. I love the deep dive, and all definitely all good to know. What the actual truth is, I have no idea.

To be honest, though, the Sedona stuff was the least interesting part of the interview for me.

I was far more into the historical aspects, hearing about all of Ross' various stories/contacts, listening to him and Jesse geek out with all their shared knowledge, etc. It's worth listening to for that stuff alone.
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This is amazing. Jesse straight up attempting to either debate/interview Kirkpatrick head-on - or call his bluff, re: the WSJ articles...

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G Martin 87
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TCTTS said:


That one, at least, clearly behaves like a ball hanging by a thread. Damning.
TCTTS
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Yep. And now with Steven Greer heavily involved, the whole thing just feels like a grift/circus. I think there are legit metallic spheres out there, defying gravity, observing whatever it is they're observing, but this ain't one of them.
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It's all a nothing burger with a side of nothing. Do I think life exists outside of our world? Yes. But it ain't this.
Redstone
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Rep. Burlison discusses

- the advanced tech of the greys (I still believe they're biological clone servants of the Insectiods),

- nordics interbreeding with humans

- Trump's briefing where he said Shifty Schiff was an alien



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Redstone
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Two brothers, from a family of abductees, detail a significant 1996 abduction with multiple witnesses.

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Redstone
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"U.S. officials responsible for analyzing thousands of military UAP reports submitted to the Pentagon have acknowledged data confirming the presence of intelligently controlled vehicles exhibiting technological capabilities we do not understand and cannot replicate"
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Redstone
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Caution, always, even with much more credible people like Elizando

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/harald-malmgren-history-vs-fantasy/
Redstone
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How to square that sentiment with the wild brothers / family abduction stories posted just above?

Because subjective experiences in narrative form are first-hand testimonies which then allow for pattern recognition. And their testimony definitely fits with so many other first-hand testimonies :

Fortean analysis is a powerful method. At the core of this is probing for more objective realities via consistencies of subjective accounts, across time and environment. Highly credible people like Travis Walton could have told the brothers story.
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"U.S. officials responsible for analyzing thousands of military UAP reports submitted to the Pentagon have acknowledged data confirming the presence of intelligently controlled vehicles exhibiting technological capabilities we do not understand and cannot replicate"



Who is "we"?

Bob, in his garage?

Jeff at Boeing?

Sam, the aerospace engineer that works for NASA?

Or Zydoc, the dude no one has met.

Or "we"?
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Redstone
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Redstone
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I highlight the above tweet because it is indisputable we and other nations have been to the moon.

AND ALSO
those who deny this make excellent arguments and say some indisputable things, especially about Lyin' NASA. In fact, their arguments are some of the best us conspiracy minded folks have, which Joe Rogan will occasionally and correctly state.

How to reconcile?
Redstone
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Because multiple things can be true at once, overlapping and complex and messy and metaphysical in ways we will never comprehend, at least on this side of the veil.

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What if there are ruins and structures on the moon, and cosmic entities were watching and warning? That would reconcile quite a bit, and I think an honest and decent man, Edgar Mitchell, tried to tell us this.

We went, NASA lies, a solid majority of what deniers say is accurate, and this gets real metaphysical real fast. Such a reconciliation is also more widely applicable - ie some crafts are ours, much disinfo and lies for various NatSec reasons ($),some are alien from outer space, some are parked in the oceans, some emerge from inner earth, and governments made deals that include some grave evil, and ect
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Redstone said:

What if there are ruins and structures on the moon, and cosmic entities were watching and warning? That would reconcile quite a bit, and I think an honest and decent man, Edgar Mitchell, tried to tell us this.

We went, NASA lies, a solid majority of what deniers say is accurate, and this gets real metaphysical real fast. Such a reconciliation is also more widely applicable - ie some crafts are ours, much disinfo and lies for various NatSec reasons ($),some are alien from outer space, some are parked in the oceans, some emerge from inner earth, and governments made deals that include some grave evil, and ect
Keep going... what if that clashes with everything we know and have ever known as a species. Would that be a secret worth keeping?
Redstone
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My lens is Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox), and apologist Jimmy Akin explain this well (search name and aliens and Mysterious World):

No paradigm shift at all. Humans are "centered" in creation only insofar as Christ was a man, but the Logos of St. John 1 has appeared in many times and many contexts, which is what He told Howard Storm during his NDE (search his name and aliens for video, IMO highly credible like Travis Walton).

A lot can be reconciled in the Apostolic view: evolution, aliens, old earth, other gods (created cosmic entities, some faithful and some fallen, not necessarily angels / demons, which are narrow categories for 2nd Temple era authors) …. Protestants Michael Heiser (RIP) and Tim Alberino are closely aligned, and very much worth checking out.

The point is spirit and matter together, bleeding into each other, dimensions and realms in our stunted understanding and vocabulary - and that materialism is spectacularly false.
watty
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This thread would be better IMO if the nonsense was not included.

Someone claiming that the tic tac is Lockheed Martin tech? That's good info, whether it's true or not. That's what we're here for. But it sucks when it gets lost between tons of posts of the most absurd speculation about stuff that that is nothing but mumbo jumbo.
Redstone
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Riddle me this: Lockheed has tech that can deny conventional physics to such a degree that a Top Gun pilot - 20 years ago, btw - is certain it's not ours

That's very likely metaphysical, because a). this really Lockheed, given how much lying goes on? b). our current materialist understanding is … busted
TKEAg04
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watty said:

This thread would be better IMO if the nonsense was not included.

Someone claiming that the tic tac is Lockheed Martin tech? That's good info, whether it's true or not. That's what we're here for. But it sucks when it gets lost between tons of posts of the most absurd speculation about stuff that that is nothing but mumbo jumbo.
I don't think it's mumbo jumbo at all. We already tried this in the politics forum and people blasted every post as BS, hence 'entertainment'.

I'm a firm believer that there are things that if the public knew fully, would completely upend our society and turn into anarchy and chaos. Keep an open mind!
Redstone
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- Sean Duffy, Transportation Secretary, directly contradicted the lies the Press Secretary was forced to say about the NE drones. We don't know what they are / were. Mayors were freaking out with very good reason. No answers.
- SOMETHING shuts down nuclear facilities, all over the globe. Very accomplished military personnel have detailed this.
- SOMETHING is breaking the known of physics, consistently. Top Gun pilots are stumped.
- Stanford's Garry Nolan has many first-hand experiences of SOMETHING coming in and out of our materialist understanding. "Dripping" …. NASA's Tim Taylor, launch commander, also. And we could go on.

Metaphysical speculations are essential at this point.
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TKEAg04 said:

watty said:

This thread would be better IMO if the nonsense was not included.

Someone claiming that the tic tac is Lockheed Martin tech? That's good info, whether it's true or not. That's what we're here for. But it sucks when it gets lost between tons of posts of the most absurd speculation about stuff that that is nothing but mumbo jumbo.
I don't think it's mumbo jumbo at all. We already tried this in the politics forum and people blasted every post as BS, hence 'entertainment'.

I'm a firm believer that there are things that if the public knew fully, would completely upend our society and turn into anarchy and chaos. Keep an open mind!
You acknowledge that but somehow still insist they're all wrong and that the person (apologies for singling out one) who admits to seeing aliens through a religious fundamentalist lens and who says among other things that Adam and Eve literally came to earth in 4100BC and that Bigfoot is an alien is the one to take seriously.


Fairies, bigfoot, ect. - all real, all subjective to our cultural context, all should be tested. The true Spirit is Logos Incarnate and we need Sacraments and liturgy. It is centering...


This is religious now. A new religion is emerging: the worshippers are detailed in Encounters and American Cosmic by Pasulka. This includes AI religion (yes really): another portal, like a spirit board of old...

Angels / satans (messenger / accuser) are more job descriptions and less categories of being. Other creations, including embodied spirits such as humans, can exist, as can "trickster entities," "planetary spirits"…,.

Elohim and elohims, some faithful and some fallen. Consciousness and dimensions.

Realms. Talks on the hill.

- Redstone.


I mean, that sampling is not mumbo jumbo??? And it's ALL like that.


No one in the mainstream dismissing or even mocking this topic with terms like little green men or tin foil hats does any damage to it at all, it's the very people in it that do all the damage. If I browse any random board or comment section on it it's like walking through an asylum. If there's tangible proof then great, bring it on, people will accept it. But no one is going to win over the rational world claiming you can summon aliens telepathically and that they're really angels and demons and this is all about states of consciousness and telepathy and remote viewing and enlightenment.

People should be free to believe whatever they want, there's no harm in that on a small scale, and I'm sure Redstone is a kind and decent person, but the idea that this is the kind of stuff he's confident is about to be disclosed to the overwhelming shock of the mainstream is just bizarre. "Delusional" doesn't even suffice. All it does is push more people away.
Redstone
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It is probable a decent majority of those reading or engaged here are, at a minimum, sympathetic to the idea that God became human, allowed his murder, rose from death, and also created at least one category of spirit being that engages humanity.

Second, and related, the authors of its canon during the 600 or so years of its compilation were quite embedded in the type of woo woo speculated in that highlighted quote - ie giants and their spirit being fathers, Paul's likely NDE, angels walking around and talking to humans…..
Agristotle
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I think Redstone is right about a lot of stuff,
and has recommended some really interesting sources,
BUT
"Disclosure" ain't happening.
G Martin 87
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Listened to the podcast episode today and it was pretty interesting. Coulthart has never come right out before and claimed that the Tic Tac is Lockheed-Martin's. He refused to expose his source(s), but implied that Lockheed controls the tech and has NOT shared it with the US military.
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