Quite a few people on this board have complained about the teams service errors. Last year, they reported that Jamie Morrison coaches his team to be aggressive on serves. It appears to be working. I think it was on our 5th point in the second set, Lednicky had a fantastic service ace. There were a lot of great serves.
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Last: 9 days ago by Ross Skillman 70
If you don't serve aggressively it just gets shoved down your throat anyway. I think NEB or someone in the final 16 had a set where they were siding out (SO) 90%, basically meaning for every 10 serves they were receiving they were scoring 9X.
Its the same reason at this level if you get to point 20 first with a 2-3 point lead its rare to lose the set, although we did it twice against Louisville. You just trade side out points back n forth until set is over.
Its the same reason at this level if you get to point 20 first with a 2-3 point lead its rare to lose the set, although we did it twice against Louisville. You just trade side out points back n forth until set is over.
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
To be completely fair, this team has served on a whole different level compared to the regular season. They have all stepped up to the occasion! They turned it up a notch for sure
The goal is to make the back row player make a bad pass which will prevent the setter from making a good set and keep the hitter from getting their best swing on the ball. If you just serve to make it then over you make it very easy on them and if you do that then some like Babcock or Colyer or Hudson or DeLeye is going to put it away.
So if you serve at a 90% clip and are being aggressive that's fantastic.
So if you serve at a 90% clip and are being aggressive that's fantastic.
Serves are just as important in VB as tennis. We learned to serve a standing over hand with a single rotation on the ball in the early 80s to induce a knuckling effect. But the jump serve was coming in at the time because it is effective at quickly putting the ball over the net and after they allowed play to continue after the equivalent of tennis's let that rewarded hard servers who build hit the tape at the top.
I won't critique our team's technique (because I hate putting doubt over something a coach teaches not a player's mind if they read this), but my experience was perfect practice made permanent and when I skipped drills my consistency showed me up. But it's hard if a minor injury is nagging the motion, for instance.
Aggies practice the opposite of grace at championship time a ton on this site. Support the team. Coaches will do the coaching and we got to a new height under the current staff in both football and volleyball this year. I find very little reason to air our dirty laundry against our own team. (Though I have noted that Elko is very, very, very, very, very smart because the reporting on him treats him like a nerd.)
I won't critique our team's technique (because I hate putting doubt over something a coach teaches not a player's mind if they read this), but my experience was perfect practice made permanent and when I skipped drills my consistency showed me up. But it's hard if a minor injury is nagging the motion, for instance.
Aggies practice the opposite of grace at championship time a ton on this site. Support the team. Coaches will do the coaching and we got to a new height under the current staff in both football and volleyball this year. I find very little reason to air our dirty laundry against our own team. (Though I have noted that Elko is very, very, very, very, very smart because the reporting on him treats him like a nerd.)
exactly! It's kind of insane how much better Waak's serve and even Hellmuth's serve has looked lately. They're putting so much more velocity behind it. Stowers and Thomas seem to have more touch on their serves. It's so awesome to see and an enormous reason we're playing the way we are!!Ag4eva95 said:
To be completely fair, this team has served on a whole different level compared to the regular season. They have all stepped up to the occasion! They turned it up a notch for sure
Kentucky has a talented setter, but she's a freshman. We have to have to serve hard and make her run all match long. DeLeye and Hudson can make a play out of anything, but they are terminal with a perfect set. Kentucky has strong liberos so we need to challenge them. I'm sure Jamie will know just who to attack to throw them out of system.
rgleml said:
Quite a few people on this board have complained about the teams service errors. Last year, they reported that Jamie Morrison coaches his team to be aggressive on serves. It appears to be working. I think it was on our 5th point in the second set, Lednicky had a fantastic service ace. There were a lot of great serves.
You have to look at the math. I'm sure Jamie probably does.
Example.
If you lose 98% of the easy serves then you must serve hard.
Or
When you serve hard and counting the balls served out of bounds you only win 75% of the points but you win 80% of the points when you serve easy, then you serve easy.
I'm sure the coach looks at every player and tells each player how he wants them to serve depending on her abilities.
Service Aces
Ifenna Cos-Okpalla - 40
Maddie Waak - 34
Kyndal Stowers - 19
Tatum Thomas - 16
Logan Lednicky - 16
Emily Hellmuth - 12
Service Errors
Kyndal Stowers - 55
Maddie Waak - 52
Logan Lednicky - 51
Ifenna Cos-Okpalla - 49
Emily Hellmuth - 42
Tatum Thomas - 22
Ifenna Cos-Okpalla - 40
Maddie Waak - 34
Kyndal Stowers - 19
Tatum Thomas - 16
Logan Lednicky - 16
Emily Hellmuth - 12
Service Errors
Kyndal Stowers - 55
Maddie Waak - 52
Logan Lednicky - 51
Ifenna Cos-Okpalla - 49
Emily Hellmuth - 42
Tatum Thomas - 22
Tatum Thomas deserves a lot more credit than she gets. Serving specialist is a tough job and she has been so consistent all year, and has served incredibly well in the tournament.
The key to serving is to mitigate the options available to attack. An ace obviously ends the point but that isnt the only thing to look at
Deleye and Hudson are terminal for Kentucky but can be stopped in a 5-1 system by giving the setter the only one option to attack from on the front row. Our blocking has peaked at the right time and we have to take advantage of it. They have middle and RS that can hit as well but not near as balanced offensively as well are.
After this many year if seeing some great teams come thru GRollie and Reed I havent seen one as good as this is the era of volleyball it played in
Shock the World Sunday
Deleye and Hudson are terminal for Kentucky but can be stopped in a 5-1 system by giving the setter the only one option to attack from on the front row. Our blocking has peaked at the right time and we have to take advantage of it. They have middle and RS that can hit as well but not near as balanced offensively as well are.
After this many year if seeing some great teams come thru GRollie and Reed I havent seen one as good as this is the era of volleyball it played in
Shock the World Sunday
Ag-ME said:rgleml said:
Quite a few people on this board have complained about the teams service errors. Last year, they reported that Jamie Morrison coaches his team to be aggressive on serves. It appears to be working. I think it was on our 5th point in the second set, Lednicky had a fantastic service ace. There were a lot of great serves.
You have to look at the math. I'm sure Jamie probably does.
Example.
If you lose 98% of the easy serves then you must serve hard.
Or
When you serve hard and counting the balls served out of bounds you only win 75% of the points but you win 80% of the points when you serve easy, then you serve easy.
I'm sure the coach looks at every player and tells each player how he wants them to serve depending on her abilities.
THIS! In the women's game, at the highest levels, you might win 25-30% of your serves - MIGHT. So four service errors in a set cost you ONE point (probably). BUT if all of your serves were super aggressive you likely picked up an extra two or three points by doing that!!
ross skillman 70
All that being said an Ace after point 20 is huge and several of our girls including Helmouth, in the last 3 matches went for it, just missing by inches.
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
yeah, I think Morrison has said a number around 75% first ball side out for a good team. If we serve it out 50% of the time, still doing good though that's gotta sting.
Once the other side is out of system, most balls will go to the OH and due to the probable angle of attack, it is much easier to block for us. ICO feasts on these.
Kentucky seemed to combat this by making smart plays like well placed tips and quick hit to the corners. Their two outsides are smart and capable players to execute that over and over. We had a hard time adjusting and even after we did, we were normally out of system as well.
Once the other side is out of system, most balls will go to the OH and due to the probable angle of attack, it is much easier to block for us. ICO feasts on these.
Kentucky seemed to combat this by making smart plays like well placed tips and quick hit to the corners. Their two outsides are smart and capable players to execute that over and over. We had a hard time adjusting and even after we did, we were normally out of system as well.
flintdragon said:
yeah, I think Morrison has said a number around 75% first ball side out for a good team. If we serve it out 50% of the time, still doing good though that's gotta sting.
Once the other side is out of system, most balls will go to the OH and due to the probable angle of attack, it is much easier to block for us. ICO feasts on these.
Kentucky seemed to combat this by making smart plays like well placed tips and quick hit to the corners. Their two outsides are smart and capable players to execute that over and over. We had a hard time adjusting and even after we did, we were normally out of system as well.
And their libero jump sets which is Atypical and an advantage to them.
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
I dont think a jump setting libero is any advantage
being able to have great set location OOS or to run a faster offense still is key
Halter for Texas did great running fast still from libero position
being able to have great set location OOS or to run a faster offense still is key
Halter for Texas did great running fast still from libero position
, some good advice there. I appreciate the grace part. Just finished watching the replay from last night. Particularly enjoyed the Pitt TO at 16-12.
the joy expressed by our team was awesome.
beauty in the truest sence.
the joy expressed by our team was awesome.
beauty in the truest sence.
Jump setting is faster and makes block timing harder.
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
not nearly as important from back row libero setting as location , front row setter different story
Last night we had 6 aces & 8 service errors out of 78 serves for 90%, compared to 2 & 7 for Pitt on 69 serves (also 90%). We also had only 2 reception errors to Pitt's 6. Seems like we out-served our opponent.
they need to record how many serves cause the other team to be out of system. Morrison has that data for sure. It's kind of reflected in a team's passing stats but doesn't really tell the whole story.
The last point in the Pitt game went exactly to plan. Tough serve (either due to location or serving to a player with poor receive skill) causing a free ball. I knew we were going to win.
The last point in the Pitt game went exactly to plan. Tough serve (either due to location or serving to a player with poor receive skill) causing a free ball. I knew we were going to win.
I agree. If you watched her set placement too, it wasn't elite by any means. Not any different than Underwood pass setting. Tuzzo often trapped her hitters too.
flintdragon said:
yeah, I think Morrison has said a number around 75% first ball side out for a good team. If we serve it out 50% of the time, still doing good though that's gotta sting.
Once the other side is out of system, most balls will go to the OH and due to the probable angle of attack, it is much easier to block for us. ICO feasts on these.
Kentucky seemed to combat this by making smart plays like well placed tips and quick hit to the corners. Their two outsides are smart and capable players to execute that over and over. We had a hard time adjusting and even after we did, we were normally out of system as well.
Kentucky played exceptional defense the last time we met if I remember correctly. I do think we were not yet getting quite the same results we are now out of either Ifenna or Kyndal. When all you had to do was set yourself to defend Logan it was much easier to defend us (picture us VS Babcock a couple of days ago)
ross skillman 70
DartmouthAg said:
Last night we had 6 aces & 8 service errors out of 78 serves for 90%, compared to 2 & 7 for Pitt on 69 serves (also 90%). We also had only 2 reception errors to Pitt's 6. Seems like we out-served our opponent.
there it is! those 8 service errors may have cost us two points, but the aggressive attacking serves gained us six!!
ross skillman 70
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