Regarding pitching talent

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What is it that they look at to decide who's going to be a starter, a reliever or a closer?

I'm sure it's multifaceted but what are the main things that make the decision to develop a pitcher for a certain role.
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ChatGPT gives a thorough answer
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Earley chooses whatever causes fans to lose their **** and still is on the bubble for a top eight seed???
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greg.w.h said:

Earley chooses whatever causes fans to lose their **** and still is on the bubble for a top eight seed???
To add insult to injury, JK likely makes that decision and was brought in to give Earley experience at running a club.

We as fans believe we are qualified to make all decisions. Ironic, isn't it?
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I think some of these roles are decided through fall and early spring. Sims earned his role in the fall. Aschenbeck earned his role in that extra inning game vs tech at the tourney before conference play. Freshcorn asked for more innings and got them. Last year that would not have happened.

Coaches keep giving them responsibilities until they show that's their limit. I'm sure they look at "stuff" - harder throwing pitchers that have the stamina to keep throwing effectively get shots at starting. That's my opinion.
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TAMU1990 said:

I think some of these roles are decided through fall and early spring. Sims earned his role in the fall. Aschenbeck earned his role in that extra inning game vs tech at the tourney before conference play. Freshcorn asked for more innings and got them. Last year that would not have happened.

Coaches keep giving them responsibilities until they show that's their limit. I'm sure they look at "stuff" - harder throwing pitchers that have the stamina to keep throwing effectively get shots at starting. That's my opinion.

Thanks.
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I think you knew that. Hopefully the biotech equipment in this new facility will be used to identify tough pitches for hitters, improve pitches and become more effective pitchers.
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TAMU1990 said:

I think you knew that. Hopefully the biotech equipment in this new facility will be used to identify tough pitches for hitters, improve pitches and become more effective pitchers.

I've watched a lot of baseball, but no, I've never known exactly why they go with certain people as closers versus relievers versus starters. I didn't know what the magic key was but maybe there's not one it just depends on the pitcher. Sometimes I think the relievers and closers could do a great job as a starter.
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annie88 said:

TAMU1990 said:

I think you knew that. Hopefully the biotech equipment in this new facility will be used to identify tough pitches for hitters, improve pitches and become more effective pitchers.

I've watched a lot of baseball, but no, I've never known exactly why they go with certain people as closers versus relievers versus starters. I didn't know what the magic key was but maybe there's not one it just depends on the pitcher. Sometimes I think the relievers and closers could do a great job as a starter.


In a general sense typically your best overall pitchers are starters. There are some other factors, but the other thing is just that some guys are mentally better in a starting role or vise versa some are mentally more comfortable with a relief or closing role.
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greg.w.h said:

Earley chooses whatever causes fans to lose their **** and still is on the bubble for a top eight seed???


The pitching is bad, regardless of any side of the coaching staff debate you sit.
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annie88 said:

Sometimes I think the relievers and closers could do a great job as a starter.



Dylan Volantis was the closer for Texas last year and he's the Friday night starter this year. You're spot on Annie.
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Asch would've been our best starter too, but he was far more valueable helping secure 2 or 3 wins than just 1. It's 4-D chess for sure.
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Typically the pitchers that can locate 3 or 4 types of pitches consistently are starters. If you can typically just throw two pitches consistently for strikes then you are a reliever. Obviously there are exceptions but generally you need more than just one or two great pitches to get through a lineup more than once. If you can throw really hard but can only do it for a couple of innings at a time before you lose velocity or movement than you are better suited as a reliever or closer.
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Re: Volantis, he's a great test case. Freshmen, even very high end ones, often won't have the stamina to throw starter innings all year. If you have the staff to allow it (i.e., 3 capable weekend starters) you throw them on Tuesday to see if they can navigate a lineup 2-3x in a game, and then you use them in key bullpen roles on the weekend.

Starter v. Reliever considerations:

1. Pitch mix - do you have a deep enough repertoire to keep hitters from knowing what's coming the 2nd+ time through the lineup?
2. Stamina - do you have enough juice to get through the 5th? And as you tire what is the impact on your stuff. Do you throw a 2-seamer that actually picks up movement? Or do you use a 4-seamer that flattens out and ends up in the parking lot.
2.5. what is the difference between your stuff "all out" effort vs. 80%? We've seen this with multiple people in recent years... Cortez, Sdao, etc. They can come out of the pen with max effort and dominate. But as a starter, knowing they need to keep some in the tank and they falter badly. Can also go the other way where you're too amped out of the pen and can't locate at max effort, but the smooth delivery plays.
3. How able are you to adjust in-game? This is also a mental makeup issue. Can you go deep into counts, and work through the on base situations that you're more likely to see if you pitch 4+ innings.
4. How do you warm up/prepare? Less of an issue, but can you "get hot" quickly? Some guys that are career starters can't get ready quickly. They're creatures of habit and their warm up routine can be measured in hours, not minutes. It's 40% physical and 60% mental.

...and a dozen other small factors that vary player to player.
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As simplistic as this sounds, it's all mentality. They're all talented, but mentality separates them more and more the further they climb the ladder.
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Who's pitching Friday?

Darden or Sims?
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Darden on a very short leash with Moss ready to go. The hope being Darden can give you some length, the offense creates some separation and you can keep Moss and Lyons for game 2, But you 100% use them to win if you need to. That's what I do anyway.
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RED AG 98 said:

Darden on a very short leash with Moss ready to go. The hope being Darden can give you some length, the offense creates some separation and you can keep Moss and Lyons for game 2, But you 100% use them to win if you need to. That's what I do anyway.

Then start Sims on Saturday?
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TyHolden said:

RED AG 98 said:

Darden on a very short leash with Moss ready to go. The hope being Darden can give you some length, the offense creates some separation and you can keep Moss and Lyons for game 2, But you 100% use them to win if you need to. That's what I do anyway.

Then start Sims on Saturday?

Right. Either with a change to stay in the winner's bracket or an elimination game. Either way, that's the most critical game of the season (so far).
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assuming Sims is even pitching
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Moss with Darden in reserve
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