After Oats was t'd up last night, one of the announcers mentioned it could be a huge momentum swing because we were shooting free throws on the technical, on the foul, AND we would get possession. I thought he was right about getting possession, but apparently not. What's the rule about possession after technical fouls?
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A technical foul is just free throws, and then play resumes as it was. Most often a technical foul is a dead ball foul, so it doesn't affect play. The flagrant foul gets you free throws and the ball.
It's easier to think of dead ball technical fouls as basically existing in another universe. The free throws are taken immediately and then the game proceeds as it would have otherwise. In this case that was with our free throws.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
Wasn't sure what the hell the announcer was thinking there. I don't think he ever corrected himself.
bobinator said:
It's easier to think of dead ball technical fouls as basically existing in another universe. The free throws are taken immediately and then the game proceeds as it would have otherwise. In this case that was with our free throws.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
The best technical are the ones in pregame. Scoring points before a game starts is just awesome
The Collective said:
Wasn't sure what the hell the announcer was thinking there. I don't think he ever corrected himself.
He was terrible. Every shot and possession was the most important of the game...was getting on my nerves
BQ_90 said:bobinator said:
It's easier to think of dead ball technical fouls as basically existing in another universe. The free throws are taken immediately and then the game proceeds as it would have otherwise. In this case that was with our free throws.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
The best technical are the ones in pregame. Scoring points before a game starts is just awesome
I kept the official books for college games for years. Worked a ton of A&M and Texas State games, as well as the Big 12 and Southland tournaments. What you referenced happens more often than you think it would. Typically, the starters are submitted by an assistant, marked in the book, and double-checked by an assistant. If all looks good, the assistant initials the book and play begins.
The problem comes when the head coach sends different starters out for tipoff. It's a cluster and results in a technical. Free throws are then shot before the game tips. Then the head coach chews out the official scorer (me)...only to realize it was his assistant who submitted and signed off on the wrong information.
I did books for about 18 years and I bet it happened 5 or 6 times in games I worked.
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Didn't Florida get free throws a couple of years ago because one of Buzz's lower level cult members forgot our jerseys at the hotel?
hell i thought that was last year.
Also i'm pretty sure we got a technical during Turge era or BK for dunking in pregame warmups. which that rule is gone now
Also i'm pretty sure we got a technical during Turge era or BK for dunking in pregame warmups. which that rule is gone now
I was a wizard at getting opposing teams administrative technicals when I did the book for our high school team. I might have been fat and 6' tall but I should get credit for about 7 career points in the Tivy Antler media guide.
High school rules are different. You shoot in order that it happened and would have gotten the ball after the technical free throws. I like the hs rule better.
Eh, I don't, that's an incredibly punitive penalty for a dead ball technical.
I think punitive rules for behavior are fine in youth sports through high school.
I'm not an official, by the way.
I'm not an official, by the way.
bobinator said:
Didn't Florida get free throws a couple of years ago because one of Buzz's lower level cult members forgot our jerseys at the hotel?
Yes we did. I was at the game in Florida in Jan 2023 when it happened. We pulled off the upset and started a big run through the SEC
Just last night Notre Dame got a technical because a player wasn't in the scorer's book.
Luke The Drifter said:BQ_90 said:bobinator said:
It's easier to think of dead ball technical fouls as basically existing in another universe. The free throws are taken immediately and then the game proceeds as it would have otherwise. In this case that was with our free throws.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
The best technical are the ones in pregame. Scoring points before a game starts is just awesome
I kept the official books for college games for years. Worked a ton of A&M and Texas State games, as well as the Big 12 and Southland tournaments. What you referenced happens more often than you think it would. Typically, the starters are submitted by an assistant, marked in the book, and double-checked by an assistant. If all looks good, the assistant initials the book and play begins.
The problem comes when the head coach sends different starters out for tipoff. It's a cluster and results in a technical. Free throws are then shot before the game tips. Then the head coach chews out the official scorer (me)...only to realize it was his assistant who submitted and signed off on the wrong information.
I did books for about 18 years and I bet it happened 5 or 6 times in games I worked.
In high school I have called about 10 technical fouls before the game from kids dunking pre-game, which is a no-no.
If I see one, I typically find the head coach, ask him/her if they saw the dunk, and if the coach says something to the players, typically let it slide.
If your team dunks again, the whistle blows, I ask for the coaches, explain the foul, and the other team gets free throws with no one on the line and gets the ball at the free throw line extended on their side of the court.
I've called a technical foul before on a girl who refused to take off her earrings or leave the court. Delay of game warning to the coach about the uni violation, who argued with me, and then I T'd her up. Same procedure.
The fans are usually dumbfounded.
bobinator said:
I was a wizard at getting opposing teams administrative technicals when I did the book for our high school team. I might have been fat and 6' tall but I should get credit for about 7 career points in the Tivy Antler media guide.
In my organization in Houston, we only give T's based on the book on varsity games.
Jr. Varsity and below, we let the coach fix it, and tell them not to mess it up in a varsity game.
No one really cares.
Yeah obviously, I'm talking about the varsity book. Nobody cares about administrative techs in JV games.
But I'd watch jersey numbers like a hawk to see if a coach made a mistake.
More common in a tournament game where a player might forget a road/home jersey or whatever and then have to borrow an extra but the coach just copies the same lineup into the book from the game before.
But I'd watch jersey numbers like a hawk to see if a coach made a mistake.
More common in a tournament game where a player might forget a road/home jersey or whatever and then have to borrow an extra but the coach just copies the same lineup into the book from the game before.
bobinator said:
Yeah obviously, I'm talking about the varsity book. Nobody cares about administrative techs in JV games.
But I'd watch jersey numbers like a hawk to see if a coach made a mistake.
More common in a tournament game where a player might forget a road/home jersey or whatever and then have to borrow an extra but the coach just copies the same lineup into the book from the game before.
No excuse at the varsity level.
You also need someone working your own book that isn't some nice old lady or something who's going to tell the coach he made a mistake before the book is official.
Get out of here with that, this is hill country basketball, we need every edge we can get, lol.
Get out of here with that, this is hill country basketball, we need every edge we can get, lol.
I remember our team getting a tech at a road game in 7th grade, because some bench player was not in the book. Hell hath no fury like a grandma keeping the book in a small basketball-rabid town.
BQ_90 said:bobinator said:
It's easier to think of dead ball technical fouls as basically existing in another universe. The free throws are taken immediately and then the game proceeds as it would have otherwise. In this case that was with our free throws.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
The best technical are the ones in pregame. Scoring points before a game starts is just awesome
In middle school, our coach F'ed up and put the wrong jersey number on the official game roster for virtually every player. The other team shot something like 12 free throws before tip off. We were down something like 8-0 before we even got started!!
Luke The Drifter said:BQ_90 said:bobinator said:
It's easier to think of dead ball technical fouls as basically existing in another universe. The free throws are taken immediately and then the game proceeds as it would have otherwise. In this case that was with our free throws.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
The best technical are the ones in pregame. Scoring points before a game starts is just awesome
I kept the official books for college games for years. Worked a ton of A&M and Texas State games, as well as the Big 12 and Southland tournaments. What you referenced happens more often than you think it would. Typically, the starters are submitted by an assistant, marked in the book, and double-checked by an assistant. If all looks good, the assistant initials the book and play begins.
The problem comes when the head coach sends different starters out for tipoff. It's a cluster and results in a technical. Free throws are then shot before the game tips. Then the head coach chews out the official scorer (me)...only to realize it was his assistant who submitted and signed off on the wrong information.
I did books for about 18 years and I bet it happened 5 or 6 times in games I worked.
Back in the 70s when I played in high school we had odd jerseys for road and even for whites. One district game the opposing coach said the needed to be white and our coach said okay. So we warm up in maroon and the other team warms up with warm ups. When it is time to tip off they pull off the warm ups and are in red.
5 technical fouls to start the game. Totally done on purpose. The other team was a top ten team and we had beaten them at their place.
It was a d**k move.
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GoodAg Paulie said:BQ_90 said:bobinator said:
It's easier to think of dead ball technical fouls as basically existing in another universe. The free throws are taken immediately and then the game proceeds as it would have otherwise. In this case that was with our free throws.
Like TjgtAg said, it's different for live ball flagrant fouls which do result in possession.
The best technical are the ones in pregame. Scoring points before a game starts is just awesome
In middle school, our coach F'ed up and put the wrong jersey number on the official game roster for virtually every player. The other team shot something like 12 free throws before tip off. We were down something like 8-0 before we even got started!!
That ref was an A-hole to do that in a middle school game.
At worst, call one technical and tell the coach to fix the book.
He was talking about a critical possession with over 9 mins remaining. I was thinking … with the way these teams are scoring ?
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