Those interested in investing seed funding VCs...

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LMCane
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I have heard of this Fund before and they are featured in a new Wall Street Journal report on high tech startups.

only need $100,000 investment to join some of the Funds- but I am not expert enough to know whether these are going to be a great return on investment or not.

Seems legitimate to me:OurCrowd Funding Accredited Investors


Wall Street Journal video report this week on OurCrowd Funding:



bmks270
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On averages, VC returns less than the S&P500.

VCs are gamblers, the least sophisticated of investors. A large portion of workers in the VC space are trust fund kids who went to private colleges and now need something to do with their money. They're not that sophisticated or more talented than average, they are arguably less so.

VCs make money on fees. Lots of VCs exist to make the managers wealthy from assets under management and fees. Fund participants often do worse than simply buying index ETFs.

VC seems sexy and cool, but that is really only true for the funds that are at the top because VC is really about networking and branding.

The most well known funds get first pick of the great companies. There is more money than there are good companies to invest in. So every Tom and Hannah trust fund kid who is fresh out of private university that isn't sure what do with their life decides to get into finance to manage their inheritance, and they go work for a fund and then after 5-10 years starts their own.

Ive worked for VC backed startups the past 5 years and the number of young un-credentialed VC partners I've come accross has shocked me. It seems like 1 in 5 is some mid 20s Ivy League graduate that went to private boarding prep schools and has zero industry experience outside of VC.

Aside from outright screwing founders in a deal which does happen quite a bit, the next worst thing is when they try to help "support" founders they've invested in by connecting them to people in their network for services like branding or legal…. I've seen terrible outcomes from this where the recommend service providers offered zero value like tens of thousands wasted on branding that sucked, and in one case even horrible (and also expensive) legal advising from a large reputable firm.

VC is gambling. The whole industry relies on survivorship bias. The only fact that gives some funds a true investment edge is their name brand and network means they get to pick from the best companies as every founder is knocking at their door. Then the no name trust fund kids are left scrapping the bottom of the barrel for companies to invest in that are only talking to them because the other VCs all rejected them.

Occasionally one of these no name funds hits a unicorn or two and makes a name for themselves which is impossible to distinguish skill from survivorship bias. Once they get luckly they get a little more adoration from the VC community, they can get more investors in their fund lined up, and get better deal flow and better pick of companies.
Sea Speed
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OP is always talking about the most random investment vehicles.
Charismatic Megafauna
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As an Accredited Investor he gets access to lots of opportunities the rest of us don't
one safe place
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Charismatic Megafauna said:

As an Accredited Investor he gets access to lots of opportunities the rest of us don't

Maybe it was on a thread where ages of various folks on here was the topic, or another thread turned into that sort of discussion. I was surprised at the number of older folks (I am an old). Given that, I would guess that many people on here meet the definition of an accredited investor.
woodiewood1
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one safe place said:

Charismatic Megafauna said:

As an Accredited Investor he gets access to lots of opportunities the rest of us don't

Maybe it was on a thread where ages of various folks on here was the topic, or another thread turned into that sort of discussion. I was surprised at the number of older folks (I am an old). Given that, I would guess that many people on here meet the definition of an accredited investor.

I suspect there are many accredited investors on here or could be if so desired, Most requiemenents are ...
"Individuals must have a net worth over $1million (excluding primary residence) or annual income exceeding
$200,000 or $300,000 for married couples) for the past two years."
one safe place
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woodiewood1 said:

one safe place said:

Charismatic Megafauna said:

As an Accredited Investor he gets access to lots of opportunities the rest of us don't

Maybe it was on a thread where ages of various folks on here was the topic, or another thread turned into that sort of discussion. I was surprised at the number of older folks (I am an old). Given that, I would guess that many people on here meet the definition of an accredited investor.

I suspect there are many accredited investors on here or could be if so desired, Most requiemenents are ...
"Individuals must have a net worth over $1million (excluding primary residence) or annual income exceeding
$200,000 or $300,000 for married couples) for the past two years."

I got on more than a few call lists about 6 or 7 years ago that required accredited investor status and I never figured out how. One was an outfit that was drilling oil and gas wells. As it turns out, I had a tax client who had invested in 6 or 7 of their wells. When he called he was going over the typical aspects of these deals (depletion, IDCs, etc.) and I mentioned that with all the technology today, the risk of a dry hole should be pretty small. He said that's true, not really a concern like it used to be.

As we were talking, I had gotten the client's file. Of the 6 or 7 wells, 3 were dry holes. I said, what about the Wilson #1, the Adam Creek Prospect, or the Davis-Hill #2 (made up those names but I named the dry holes); He stuttered and stammered then joyfully said "but you get a write-off for the full amount!" I said yeah, but you wrote a check for the full amount as well.
Proposition Joe
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If they are soliciting you it means they were not able to get funding privately.

Doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad deal, but it means you're getting the scraps that the big boys didn't want.
STL_aTm
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Charismatic Megafauna said:

As an Accredited Investor he gets access to lots of opportunities the rest of us don't

The most hard working Accredited Investor the in the oilfield
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