In honor of the okc floppers, I was wondering, if you had to put together an all time great floppers team to compete with this years thunder, who would it be?

Criteria: player should be known for his flopping prowess, but also be a great player that doesn't really need to flop, but has integrated it into his play. The players should be both prolific floppers and great players.

PG: CP3
SG: SGA
SF: baby bron bron
PF: Draymond Green
C: Joel Embiid

Bench: Manu, Alex Caruso, James Harden, Vlade Divac

Interested to hear anyone else's all time flop team

Zachary Klement said:

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I love Harden, but I feel like he has to be in the starting five.

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I can see Harden replacing cp3 and it being Harden and SGA in the backcourt.

Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.

If you're including CP3 and Harden, most of their flopping was definitely when they were with other teams. Harden is most famous for flopping with the Rockets. CP3 I would put with the Pelicans.

Alex Caruso doesn't meet your definition of a great player who doesn't need to flop, so he's off the list for me.

I'm not the biggest fan of OKC, but flopping was waaaay worse 10-15 years ago. The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

StillNotAnAggie said:

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Beat40 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.
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The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

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And exactly 1 fine was given out this year for flopping. You think that's stopped anything? League needs to get back to reviewing games and assessing fines and giving technicals.

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That's fine. Flopping was absolutely worse from in the mid 2000s to early 2010s. The post was trying to paint OKC as the worst flopping team of all time by tying Harden and CP3 in there (along with Caruso).

Again, not a fan of OKC, but they are far from the worst as a whole. It's complete recency bias.

Here is flopping from 8-15 years ago:


Here is a short from 3 days ago about flopping being out of control:


Flopping was a hell of a lot worse than it is now. That does not invalidate the league needs to do something substantial about flopping today.

Beat40 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.

If you're including CP3 and Harden, most of their flopping was definitely when they were with other teams. Harden is most famous for flopping with the Rockets. CP3 I would put with the Pelicans.

Alex Caruso doesn't meet your definition of a great player who doesn't need to flop, so he's off the list for me.

I'm not the biggest fan of OKC, but flopping was waaaay worse 10-15 years ago. The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

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LOL no way. You know how many players were fined for flopping this entire season? One. Malik Monk in December.

Beat40 said:

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StillNotAnAggie said:

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Beat40 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.
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The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

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And exactly 1 fine was given out this year for flopping. You think that's stopped anything? League needs to get back to reviewing games and assessing fines and giving technicals.

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That's fine. Flopping was absolutely worse from in the mid 2000s to early 2010s. The post was trying to paint OKC as the worst flopping team of all time by tying Harden and CP3 in there (along with Caruso).

Again, not a fan of OKC, but they are far from the worst as a whole. It's complete recency bias.

Here is flopping from 8-15 years ago:


Here is a short from 3 days ago about flopping being out of control:


Flopping was a hell of a lot worse than it is now. That does not invalidate the league needs to do something substantial about flopping today.

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Okc is the worst in the league this year. It's systemic. All time? Not at all, but they're still up there as one of the worst

Yes. Flopping was way worse 15 years ago. Yes, more guys this year should have been fined this year.

These two are not competing statements.

I'm sorry your Spurs are playing OKC and you're watching some flopping. Just saying while it sucks and should be out of the game, it's soooo much better than the past.

LeBron didn't get the nickname LeFlop for nothing.

It's been a fun series as a third party watching, and I hope it goes 7 games!

No, you are a Spurs fan watching some flopping and frustrated by it, which is completely understandable, but you are completely forgetting the state of flopping from the past.

It should be taken more seriously and out of the game, but the OKC team as a whole is not anywhere near close to the worst of all time.

I do hope this game goes 7!

Beat40 said:

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No, you are a Spurs fan watching some flopping and frustrated by it, which is completely understandable, but you are completely forgetting the state of flopping from the past.

It should be taken more seriously and out of the game, but the OKC team as a whole is not anywhere near close to the worst of all time.

I do hope this game goes 7!

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Yes, I am a spurs fan and yes, I am frustrated by the ridiculousness happening on the court in front of me. I also acknowledge flopping used to be worse, in fact, I put Manu on my all time flopping team. I used to roll my eyes when he did it too. That doesn't mean that okc isn't the CURRENT worst example of a team that systemically uses flopping to gain an unfair advantage. I don't think that this years OKC is historically the all time worst, but I would put them in the top 5 TEAMS all time. The era of flopping that was the worst in my opinion was late 90s to early 2010s. The league addressed it, but has softened on enforcement so now it's become a problem again. prince James got special "face of the league" treatment so they couldn't enforce the flop rules on him, and now SGA is getting the same treatment. Meanwhile Wemby is getting assaulted every time down the court and it's hit or miss whether they call it.

I find it extremely ironic that OKC fans started up with the flopper chant last night aimed at Wemby.

SGA is flopping when jumping. It's uglier because we all know pro athletes know how to land. They don't push their feet forward before they land.

I dont remeber players flopping this much per game back in the day. This level started with players that are currently in the league. LeFlop being one of them.

scd88 said:

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Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

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Hmm, maybe. But players were actually allowed to play defense during Malone's career. He earned plenty of fouls. Really, nothing at all like SGA or Harden.

Backcountry Birds said:

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It's one thing to exaggerate a charge or react a little to show the ref you were fouled, it's a whole different deal when it got to James Harden building an entire offense around it and finally SGA who perfected it and falls on over half his shot attempts and has road the flopping stategy all the way to the MVP of the league.

SGA and Harden are 1A and 1B and it's not particularly close to the next closest.

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SGA does not build an offense around it. He still scores plenty without the foul calls. He certainly is taking advantage of the way refs are calling the game though.

CP3, Manu, LeBron all were worse in my book than SGA when it was big in the 2000s and early 2010s.

scd88 said:

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Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

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Stockton was bad too.

NoahAg said:

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scd88 said:

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Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

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Hmm, maybe. But players were actually allowed to play defense during Malone's career. He earned plenty of fouls. Really, nothing at all like SGA or Harden.

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I really do believe people have forgotten how actually bad flopping was in the 2000s and 2010s. It was bad, bad.

Guitarsoup said:

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Beat40 said:

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Backcountry Birds said:

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It's one thing to exaggerate a charge or react a little to show the ref you were fouled, it's a whole different deal when it got to James Harden building an entire offense around it and finally SGA who perfected it and falls on over half his shot attempts and has road the flopping stategy all the way to the MVP of the league.

SGA and Harden are 1A and 1B and it's not particularly close to the next closest.

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SGA does not build an offense around it. He still scores plenty without the foul calls. He certainly is taking advantage of the way refs are calling the game though.

CP3, Manu, LeBron all were worse in my book than SGA when it was big in the 2000s and early 2010s.

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It's hard to believe that an OKC fan doesn't think SGA is an awful flopper.

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Not an OKC fan. Rockets fan that can easily admit Harden and CP3 are some of the worst flippers of all time, putting the Rockets as one of the worst flopping teams of all time.

I don't even think Tony Parker was all that bad even though lots of Rockets fans think he is.

Also, I never said SGA wasn't a bad flopper. He is. I just think there are worse and he's not the worst of all time.

He is Ass My Dude said:

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scd88 said:

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Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

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He was not falling down 8, 9-10 times a game. No one was.

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Exactly, I mean those were the "plumber years" but tell me Malone, Rodman, Oakley, Lambier weren't playing "enforcer" basketball...look at the Pistons "Jordan Rules"

Beat40 said:

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NoahAg said:

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scd88 said:

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Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

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Hmm, maybe. But players were actually allowed to play defense during Malone's career. He earned plenty of fouls. Really, nothing at all like SGA or Harden.

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I really do believe people have forgotten how actually bad flopping was in the 2000s and 2010s. It was bad, bad.

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This is who lots believe is the GOAT:

From 5 years ago:




From 10 years ago:

Whoops wrong thread.

agspirit_09 said:

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Beat40 said:

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Backcountry Birds said:

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It's one thing to exaggerate a charge or react a little to show the ref you were fouled, it's a whole different deal when it got to James Harden building an entire offense around it and finally SGA who perfected it and falls on over half his shot attempts and has road the flopping stategy all the way to the MVP of the league.

SGA and Harden are 1A and 1B and it's not particularly close to the next closest.

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SGA does not build an offense around it. He still scores plenty without the foul calls. He certainly is taking advantage of the way refs are calling the game though.

CP3, Manu, LeBron all were worse in my book than SGA when it was big in the 2000s and early 2010s.

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Games like tonight show what SGA does when he can't get to the line. 15 points. The stats very much show he relies on the whistle to generate offense. Go look at his numbers minus freethrows and he's pedestrian at best.

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You are making me sound like a SGA homer. I am not, but you're absolutely letting bias tell you a lie.

Look at the game logs from this season. He had plenty of games under 10 FTA, multiple under 5 and still scored 20+.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilgesh01/gamelog/2026


You are actually discrediting the Spurs defense when you say that. I've thought the Spurs have played incredible defense on him the entire series. His numbers are lower because the Spurs are wearing his ass out

Backcountry Birds said:

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Beat40 said:

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Backcountry Birds said:

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It's one thing to exaggerate a charge or react a little to show the ref you were fouled, it's a whole different deal when it got to James Harden building an entire offense around it and finally SGA who perfected it and falls on over half his shot attempts and has road the flopping stategy all the way to the MVP of the league.

SGA and Harden are 1A and 1B and it's not particularly close to the next closest.

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SGA does not build an offense around it. He still scores plenty without the foul calls. He certainly is taking advantage of the way refs are calling the game though.

CP3, Manu, LeBron all were worse in my book than SGA when it was big in the 2000s and early 2010s.

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Absolutely not and the facts back it up. SGA is the biggest flopper of all time. Falls on both contact and non contact. FTs per shot attempt, etc. He's the biggest flopper statistically of all time. Manu isn't even top 50.

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Is the FTs per shot attempt the facts you are using to back the claim up? Genuinely asking because I am unaware of actual flopping stats and I'd be interested to learn about them.

The flopping of the 2000s and early 2010s were both contact and non contact as well.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/flop-or-not-does-shai-gilgeous-alexander-really-fall-more-than-his-peers-134022010.html

Matt_ag98 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Beat40 said:

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Backcountry Birds said:

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It's one thing to exaggerate a charge or react a little to show the ref you were fouled, it's a whole different deal when it got to James Harden building an entire offense around it and finally SGA who perfected it and falls on over half his shot attempts and has road the flopping stategy all the way to the MVP of the league.

SGA and Harden are 1A and 1B and it's not particularly close to the next closest.

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SGA does not build an offense around it. He still scores plenty without the foul calls. He certainly is taking advantage of the way refs are calling the game though.

CP3, Manu, LeBron all were worse in my book than SGA when it was big in the 2000s and early 2010s.

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Games like tonight show what SGA does when he can't get to the line. 15 points. The stats very much show he relies on the whistle to generate offense. Go look at his numbers minus freethrows and he's pedestrian at best.

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The other night showed it best, game on the line and the back to back MVP isn't even on the floor for defense, don't remember Jordan ever doing that

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Yeah, I don't even remember Curry being benched for a final defensive play. But SGA is? It was kind of shocking tbh.