HS RECRUITING

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Howdy22_hullabaloo
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Howdy!

I have a question on A&M HS girls recruiting.

I was told A&M doesn't go to camps or showcases. If that is true, how do they recruit?

I have a niece who plays in the D/FW area. Plays on good club teams, gets awards at tournaments, is going overseas to play with the US team, being recruited by a few SEC & Big 12 schools as a sophomore, etc. Naturally I'm trying to convince her to play for A&M; however, her parents tell me A&M hasn't been to one of the showcases or tournaments where she has played. Is there truth to that?

Anyone have any insight on this?
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I don't think any of us know the answer since A&M just hired a new coach to start the program over. So we don't know what the recruiting will look like going forward.
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The prior coaching staff went to most ECNL showcases and several club run camps each year. New head coach and one of the assistants was at ECNL Florida showcase last week and I know they are signed up to attend at least a few club run camps in this spring. I am not sure if they have historically gone to lower level showcases (GA, etc) or will do so going forward.

Does your niece play ECNL? I think it is safe to say that she would at least get looks by the coaching staff if she is really on USYNT camps or rosters.
Howdy22_hullabaloo
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This is great info! Thanks!

Yes, had been playing ECRL, but she will be playing ECNL starting this spring.

Fingers-crossed!
380Ag
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What club does she play for?
380Ag
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To answer your question, recruiting is very driven by the player. Meaning she should be reaching directly out to coaches saying why she's interested, link to highlight video, etc. if she is truly being recruited by P4 schools this is something she is probably already doing. If she isn't doing this and is being recruited by P4 schools as an RL player, then she is a total wonderkid that is probably already on the Aggie radar.
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And for the record, A&M was always at the main events. I would regularly see Coach G, Alyssa and Seth at events.

With the new coaches, nothing should change.
ColoradoMooseHerd
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And in girls soccer, most top girls are committing the summer after the Sophomore year. The official offers usually go out on June 15th and then you see a mass wave of girls committing. So if she is a sophomore, this is the main time she needs to be out there making an impression.
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Not sure? I'll have to ask. Some team out of DFW…argyle.
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Yes, she has highlight videos & and is on some hudl site(not sure if that's correct). Supposed to be going to something called ID camp with OSU & Tech.
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The Aggie coaches are familiar with just about all the high school aged girls in DFW who would be a candidate for the team. They have seen all of the ECNL teams play, multiple times. Probably dozens of times for the top teams in each age group.

It is exceedingly rare (as in only happened 2-3 times to my knowledge in the past 5 years) that an ECRL player will be of the standard required to be an impact player in the SEC. Even if they are talented, the speed of play and quality of competition simply isn't high enough to properly develop to the point where a player is ready to contribute at a high collegiate level.

Thus it is very rare that you will find a P4 staff like A&M out watching ECRL games as it's very unlikely to be a good use of their limited time and resources.

If your niece is moving to an ECNL team this spring, and will be a sophomore or junior, then she will be seen by hundreds of college coaches at the upcoming ECNL Texas event, and almost certainly A&M will attend a game there or this spring. Watching and recruiting that level of team is a generally a good use of their time and resources.

For better or worse, that's the reality of the current soccer landscape.
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Great info! Thanks!

Yes, she's a sophomore and will be playing in ECNL this season. Hopefully, she's gets A&M's attention!

Thanks again all for the info! I learned a lot about the recruiting process and HS leagues!
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As has been said coaches attend showcases with a list of kids they're there to evaluate. Unless top top talent it's because the player has reached out by email with a highlight film that caught their attention. Some are good enough to catch every coaches attention but those players are few or they're in a showcase in a region that hasn't had exposure to the kid. For example, a Texas kid may attend a showcase in Florida or North Carolina and suddenly get interest from east coast schools that previously didn't know of her. If I'm not mistaken, only one RL kid in the whole 26 class made it to P4 and she plays for Solar and is at Texas Tech. It's not likely a RL sophomore is on any P4 radars so it's good she's moving up to NL.
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Howdy22_hullabaloo said:

Great info! Thanks!

Yes, she's a sophomore and will be playing in ECNL this season. Hopefully, she's gets A&M's attention!

Thanks again all for the info! I learned a lot about the recruiting process and HS leagues!


If she hasn't already, I would recommend sending out an email this week out to every single school she might be interested in (cast a very wide net) with her details and schedule ahead of that Texas ECNL showcase. Literally every D1 school in the country will be there. And they make their list of what games they want to see (often based on who has shown interest in their program) several days in advance.
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Generally speaking, college coaches aren't roaming the fields at these big showcases hoping to uncovering new players to pursue. They are going to specific games and are there evaluating players who are already on their radar.

So my advice is that it's important your niece gets on as many radars as possible heading into that event.

Especially below the P4 level, many coaches will invest their limited time and resources scouting a player only if they have good reason to believe a kid is interested in their school.

So get those emails out!
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At this point for your niece, she probably needs to identify a few ID camps that she thinks would be good events for her to show her stuff. Probably will have to pay for these events, but if she finds a few that have several colleges attending then she might get more exposure. At these camps she needs to plan on really showing out and going all out, not trying to be tentative. At these events, if she talks with the coaches and shows some personality, that helps a lot with some coaches.
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The three previous replies are totally correct. We are going through this currently with our sophomore daughter. At this point she's reaching out to schools that she would go to if soccer were not an option, based on what she wants to study.
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Yup, thanks all. She's at an ID camp this weekend with the OSU & TT there. OSU has already started recruiting her, which is where she's leaning, but she would consider A&M. Her parents are looking at taking her to an A&M one, however that works. Good luck to all! I really appreciate all the info!
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Also keep in mind that every soccer player is getting "invited" to these ID camps. That doesn't necessarily mean they are being recruited. My daughter was at the UNT ID camp over the weekend and some poor kid flew in from San Diego thinking she was being recruited bc of the emails only to be told that UNT doesn't recruit the San Diego area. Which is why it's important to reach directly out to schools.
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380Ag said:

Also keep in mind that every soccer player is getting "invited" to these ID camps. That doesn't necessarily mean they are being recruited. My daughter was at the UNT ID camp over the weekend and some poor kid flew in from San Diego thinking she was being recruited bc of the emails only to be told that UNT doesn't recruit the San Diego area. Which is why it's important to reach directly out to schools.


This is true. Camp invites go out to everyone in the database and can appear somewhat personal. The only way you'll know they're recruiting you is if they tell you that at a camp or work through your club coach. One way they can communicate higher interest prior to June 15 is hand written camp invites through the mail with a packet of brochures about the program and school. Don't read into any emailed camp invite as personal. After a camp or showcase ask your club coach to reach out to the school and see if there's any interest.
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Thank you to everyone who's chimed in here. I've got a 12 year old, 6th grade daughter with some big goals and the information here has been super helpful.
Jim01
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My daughter is a junior GA player and man recruiting is a beat down in this sport. We have a couple friends who have had daughters commit D1 in swimming over the last two years and I am so jealous. You just swim a time and that's it! No highlight reels, no ID Camps or showcases. Lay down a time and send some emails.

Soccer is particularly hard because it is arguably the least stat driven sport. It is one where you have to actually watch the people play to see how they influence the game. My daughter would love out of state but it is VERY hard to do that without $$$. The GA summer and winter showcase provide good exposure but as a middle class family we can't just jet off to every ID camp. That adds up QUICKLY.

In the Houston area, people like www.collegesocceridentification.com/ put on good ID camps. We just did one of theirs yesterday and there were about 12-15 schools there in a variety of divisions.

The best advice we got in recent months that was actually useful. SCHEDULE YOUR EMAILS! The U of H coach came and talked to our team and he said (paraphrasing) "All of you do the same thing. You get home from club or school, eat dinner, take a shower, do homework, and then at the end of the night decide to knock out some emails at like 10:30, 11:00 or later. By the time I get into the office after morning practice I have 150 emails and I get through MAYBE half of them. Schedule you email to send at 9:00 AM the next day so it is at the top of the pile when I get to my desk."

Since then we've noticed a decent increase in responses (generic or not). It's one of the top pieces I would pass on to younger girls and something I wish we had done earlier

Other than that, man it's a very frustrating journey. You really have no way to know if you email just went unseen or if they saw it and are not interested. We have gotten VERY few (I mean like maybe 2-3) peoples say no in any form. She dreams of D1 but realistically she would be at a school whose RPI is in the bottom half or bottom third and for those it is a waiting game. With the two transfer portal windows and increased international game it is getting harder and harder to go D1 and the lower schools are the last to eat, so through junior year you see the power 4 immediately lock down some recruits, then people who didn't make those cuts commit to mid majors, and on and on. A friend of ours went to the UNT camp this weekend and they said they haven't even started 2027 recruiting. Contrast that with some programs who already have 6-7+ recruits.

I used to stress about it but I am now peaceful in knowing she will find her fit. She's has D2 interest and talked to some high academic D3s so she already has some options. But of course we all want to give our girls the world and hope they get their dreams.
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Yall are lucky. You have girls. You should try soccer recruiting with a boy.

It was brutal. Self recruiting doesn't even begin to describe the landscape. And in this part of the country with no D1? Yeah, you learned the NAIA ropes fast.

12-14 years ago game tapes were like 480i if you were lucky, so basicallly everything was a blur. Mine was a GK, so we were clamping GoPros to the inside back posts of goals hoping to get something.

We were all cutting video and burning it to CDs to send out.
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Where does snail mail fall in all of this mess? We get multiple emails daily regarding id camps but today got the first piece of actual mail. This is inviting her back to the next camp, right on the heels of the last camp she just attended. Part of me thinks this is just being in the database but I don't know. This was the first actual letter she has gotten.
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Assuming she's not a junior yet, have her club coach reach out and see what the level of interest is. For mine, following some of the on campus camps the college coach would call her club coach the following Monday. If the coach finds her after the camp and asks the details about her club situation, you know it went well. College coaches don't sit on their hands when they see a kid they do or may want that's come to their campus. Some will even let you know an offer is coming on June 15 or if it's close to June 15th with setup a call slot for that day. Again, that's mostly done through the club coach to avoid recruiting violations.
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380Ag said:

Where does snail mail fall in all of this mess? We get multiple emails daily regarding id camps but today got the first piece of actual mail. This is inviting her back to the next camp, right on the heels of the last camp she just attended. Part of me thinks this is just being in the database but I don't know. This was the first actual letter she has gotten.


The primary function for a camp is to make someone money. Being a place for coaches to gather to evaluate players collectively is a sidebar.

If you paid for a camp, they want you back. You will get lots of things from them. Every way imaginable. Marketing 101.
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Mathguy64 said:

380Ag said:

Where does snail mail fall in all of this mess? We get multiple emails daily regarding id camps but today got the first piece of actual mail. This is inviting her back to the next camp, right on the heels of the last camp she just attended. Part of me thinks this is just being in the database but I don't know. This was the first actual letter she has gotten.


The primary function for a camp is to make someone money. Being a place for coaches to gather to evaluate players collectively is a sidebar.

If you paid for a camp, they want you back. You will get lots of things from them. Every way imaginable. Marketing 101.


Gus has to make his money some way.
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380Ag said:

Where does snail mail fall in all of this mess? We get multiple emails daily regarding id camps but today got the first piece of actual mail. This is inviting her back to the next camp, right on the heels of the last camp she just attended. Part of me thinks this is just being in the database but I don't know. This was the first actual letter she has gotten.

I think some schools use snail mail with hand-written notes to show a higher level of interest, but most are just trying to get kids to attend camps to make money. As someone else said, using the club coach to gauge true interest from a school ahead of June 15 will be a much better indicator. I also believe that most camps are unnecessary if your daughter is ECNL and getting significant minutes...e-mails to schools, club coach involvement and ECNL showcases really should be enough. It is also important that your daughter is being realistic on the level she can play in college, which is something that a good club coach should also be able to help with.
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380Ag said:

Where does snail mail fall in all of this mess? We get multiple emails daily regarding id camps but today got the first piece of actual mail. This is inviting her back to the next camp, right on the heels of the last camp she just attended. Part of me thinks this is just being in the database but I don't know. This was the first actual letter she has gotten.


You will 100% know if a mail packet is anything other than junk mail for camp fundraising blasted out to their entire database.

A packet for a player they are interested in recruiting will always include a handwritten note from one of the coaches and other swag or personalized details. It will be very obvious of there is genuine interest.
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I'm not sure how to word this exactly but make sure your kids don't fall in love with the idea of being D1 and instead, like the school and coach they are going to play for. I've seen too many young girls fall in love with that D1 label and then get there and hate the school/coach because they aren't playing much or it's just too much for them. They choose their "reach" school and then they aren't ready for the high-pressure situation they're in. Club doesn't do much to prepare them for that aspect.

Most of the ECNL/RL teams set a roster and rarely will kick off a player that isn't performing or becomes an issue because they don't want that kid to go to another team. So there is little challenge coming in. You're experience may be different but that is what I've observed and been told by players and parents. High school does a little bit better job in this instance because you are fighting for playing time against four years of players instead of one, if your HS team is even the least bit competitive.

Again, these are the things that I've noticed. How will a kid know if the school/program isn't a good fit? I have no idea.
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Fortunately my kids priorities are 1) does the school offer what I want to study 2) would I go there if soccer wasn't an option 3) can I play soccer there. She doesn't care about D1, D2 etc. she just wants to continue playing after HS. She also knows that just like there is overlap in the Alphabet soup that is youth soccer, there is overlap in collegiate soccer. She has visited D2 schools with better facilities than some D1 schools and knows that there are D2 schools that would beat some D1 schools.
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I'll just add a couple more points. The "D1 or Bust" mindset can be very hard to work against, but I think it's important to look at schools on every level and find the ones that truly are the best fit. Look at roster size, and more importantly the number of each of the classifications (FR, SO, JR, SR). Also take into account what they want to major in and if they can balance the workload of soccer vs school.

My daughter played ECNL for 2 years and is finishing her 3rd year of RL. She had interest from several smaller D1 schools (and a couple offers), but she found her best fit at the D2 level and committed there.

It's an intense process and to find the best fit, you're going to have to do a lot of homework on the programs. Send emails on a regular basis, not just when you have a showcase coming up. Keep the coaches posted on your progress throughout the season. Twitter/X was also a big factor for us. My wife took videos on her phone during games and we put together highlight clips from every match. Tagged the schools/coaches we were in regular contact with. Again, lots of work but it paid off with the scholarship money in the end.
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Another factor is that there is a bit of a valley academically when it comes to D2. Not to say there aren't great academic D2s but for some reason the really high schools are either D1 or D3. I help my daughter with a lot of the research and going off the Forbes Top 500 College list, the breakdown was:

Division I 236
Division II 52
Division III 142
No Team 70
Total 500

The highest rated D2 was #127 - Colorado School of Mines

Out of the top 100 it was:
Division I 68
Division II 0
Division III 28
No Team 4
Total 100
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