You guys are much more into these terms than Iam so I have a few questions for you. Maybe it helps others understand the Portal and this, "Free Agency" too.

1. Approximately how much is a National Championship worth in dollars? I under prestige and bragging rights, but wonder more from an economic perspective.

A. How about a National Championship Appearance?
B. How about going to the Semis?
C. How about the Quarter Finals?
D. Or just making the playoffs?

Approximately how much are the top ten schools paying out to their Portal additions?

A. Is there a limit to be paid out?
B. So, is "Overpaying" just a factor if a team doesn't perform well enough to get in the playoffs? Does it Really matter since the Portal money is being paid out by private donations?

At what level of payment versus success the Return on Investment valid?

Just discussion points to give the rest of us a clearer understanding of an unclear system.

Thanks Ags.
Go Texans!

CFB has clearly not run out of money. So overpaying is not an issue. This is called a free market. These problems will take care of themselves. Why does everyone become a communist when they talk about college football.

Here's a case study for you. LSU had one of the highest paid coaches in CFB last year, they landed one of the top portal classes and were one of the highest spenders in the portal. They had a disappointing season. Did they cut back on expenses? No. They paid one of the highest buyouts this side of Jimbo Fisher and entered a bidding war for the highest paid free agent coach then doubled down in the portal bidding for the one of the highest paid portal classes. This is how you know we aren't at the bubble yet.

I thought the same thing. Seems like every time one of our competitors lands an expensive "Free Agent", Ags claim they over paid.

Guess we won't know until after the season?

The "overpaying" as I understand it is more Elko not wanting to pay wsy more than he has to for a player because it could upset the locker room dynamic/culture Elko has built

You start getting a bunch of high paid mercenaries on the team that are just in it for the money or it makes other guys question why they aren't getting more and things can go sideways

See the 2022 class

Maybe part of it, but I take it as more of a this is what they value any given player at. This is what we have to work with for the roster as a whole. We aren't going to budge too much on that value because it will throw the rest of the numbers off and we'd either have to low ball elsewhere or just flat get rid of guys to do it.

They'll go high for a player. Maybe even budge a little. They just won't go too much above what they value him at.

I take it to be as much or more about that than locker room dynamic. At the end of the day, you have X to work with, and you probably say we don't want to spend more than Y on this position as a whole. This player is asking for Z, which spikes up Y way too much for that position.

Sadly, this isn't like baseball where we can actually tell what a player is "worth" in terms of wins above an average replacement player. Especially when you consider offensive line positions where there are very few metrics to be recorded. Any play of football has too many moving parts whereas baseball has tried to remove as many moving parts as possibly (walk, strikeout, home run are completely fielder-independent).

You also have to see what a team needs. If a team has 2 elite backs and no elite receivers, getting a stellar runningback is nowhere near as valuable to a team as a wideout, for instance. Meaning if they throw tons of money at a position they already have locked up, they overpaid, no matter how good that player is.

So yeah, anyone saying someone "overpaid" or "got a great deal" on a player is pure opinion. And yes, it is likely influenced by a personal bias (Ags miss out on a player so they say, "He wasn't worth the price anyway"). And it's not unique to this fanbase or any fanbase. They all do it if you browse any recruiting sites, Twitter, etc.

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I thought the same thing. Seems like every time one of our competitors lands an expensive "Free Agent", Ags claim they over paid.

Guess we won't know until after the season?

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The guy with the corolla thinks the guy with the Ferrari "over paid"

The guy with the Ferrari disagrees.

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CFB has clearly not run out of money. So overpaying is not an issue. This is called a free market. These problems will take care of themselves. Why does everyone become a communist when they talk about college football.

Here's a case study for you. LSU had one of the highest paid coaches in CFB last year, they landed one of the top portal classes and were one of the highest spenders in the portal. They had a disappointing season. Did they cut back on expenses? No. They paid one of the highest buyouts this side of Jimbo Fisher and entered a bidding war for the highest paid free agent coach then doubled down in the portal bidding for the one of the highest paid portal classes. This is how you know we aren't at the bubble yet.

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Here's my problem with what you are saying.

The school brings value to the players. Without the institutions and their fans, there is no market. The players used to receive education, food, and shelter as payment and the surplus funds were distributed throughout the university. Now the surplus funds are depleted to levels that likely impact other programs that used to be funded by football. These programs create new students who become alumni and potentially donors. The more detached the players become from the other students, the less support they will receive. In short, they are digging their own graves and a bunch of you are here handing them a better shovel and rooting them on in an effort to no be communists.

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Southlake said:

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I thought the same thing. Seems like every time one of our competitors lands an expensive "Free Agent", Ags claim they over paid.

Guess we won't know until after the season?

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The guy with the corolla thinks the guy with the Ferrari "over paid"

The guy with the Ferrari disagrees.

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The guy with the Corolla also purchased a new home and many rental properties with his left over money from not spending on the Ferrari. He is thriving right now with all of his friends in Miami.

The guy with the Ferrari named it Nico and hurt his back permanently when he his house halfway through the first year of payments and had to sleep in the Ferrari because he owned nothing else.

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Sadly, this isn't like baseball where we can actually tell what a player is "worth" in terms of wins above an average replacement player. Especially when you consider offensive line positions where there are very few metrics to be recorded. Any play of football has too many moving parts whereas baseball has tried to remove as many moving parts as possibly (walk, strikeout, home run are completely fielder-independent).

You also have to see what a team needs. If a team has 2 elite backs and no elite receivers, getting a stellar runningback is nowhere near as valuable to a team as a wideout, for instance. Meaning if they throw tons of money at a position they already have locked up, they overpaid, no matter how good that player is.

So yeah, anyone saying someone "overpaid" or "got a great deal" on a player is pure opinion. And yes, it is likely influenced by a personal bias (Ags miss out on a player so they say, "He wasn't worth the price anyway"). And it's not unique to this fanbase or any fanbase. They all do it if you browse any recruiting sites, Twitter, etc.

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mjhhawk said:

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1876er said:

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Southlake said:

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I thought the same thing. Seems like every time one of our competitors lands an expensive "Free Agent", Ags claim they over paid.

Guess we won't know until after the season?

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The guy with the corolla thinks the guy with the Ferrari "over paid"

The guy with the Ferrari disagrees.

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The guy with the Corolla also purchased a new home and many rental properties with his left over money from not spending on the Ferrari. He is thriving right now with all of his friends in Miami.

The guy with the Ferrari named it Nico and hurt his back permanently when he his house halfway through the first year of payments and had to sleep in the Ferrari because he owned nothing else.

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Plot twist: The guy with the Ferrari is pulling in $250K a month in the Colombian drug trade. He has a villa outside of Bogata, a house in Aspen, and a penthouse on Miami Beach. He has 2 more Ferraris and a fleet of Land Cruisers.

(I know, a little long) I was wondering if you could structure your NIL money pot, into bonus funds to be paid after each game (or accumulate and paid at the end of the season). If so, you could structure similar to below (I'm sure there are better ways to split this up but only collaborating with the eight different personalities in my brain pan).

For the defense (five different categories could be more):

- A sack bonus
o While performing your responsibilities as assigned (i.e., containment on the corners, gap responsibilities, etc.)
o While not performing your responsibilities as assigned (i.e., containment on the corners, gap responsibilities, etc.)

- Interception
o While performing your responsibilities as assigned
o While not performing your responsibilities as assigned

- Tackles for loss
o While performing your responsibilities as assigned
o While not performing your responsibilities as assigned

- Tackles
o While performing your responsibilities as assigned
o While not performing your responsibilities as assigned

- Performing your responsibilities as assigned

- You screwed up (a fine)

For the offense:

- Completed pass as the QB
o While performing your responsibilities as assigned
o While not performing your responsibilities as assigned

- Completed pass as the Receiver/RB
o While performing your responsibilities as assigned
o While not performing your responsibilities as assigned

- Etc.

- Etc.

For Special Teams (Kick Offs, Extra Points, Field Goals, Punts, Good/Bad snaps).

- Kick into the End Zone without a return
- Extra point
- Field Goal (maybe give extra after ___ yards out)
- Etc.
- Etc.

This can go on and on, but you'd be rewarding the players for productivity. So, every play, if all eleven players perform their responsibilities the way they're assigned, then everyone gets some type of bonus. This would help prevent them from, as we use to say "sucking eggs" trying to jump the play (to get a great result--sack or tackle for loss--but you put yourself out of position creating a big SCREW UP). If everyone performs to their responsibility, the damage should be minimal.

If they, by performing their responsibilities, get a sack, fumble, tackle/tackle for loss, etc., you get additional bonus funds.

You may even have a small bonus for every play you're on the field (i.e., rewards your practice times, or even something for every day of practice/weight day workout/etc.) if you screw up, this is your fine. You can break down to everyone; therefore, red shirts get some bonus funds for practice/workouts. If you're hurt and not able to play/practice, rehab as prescribed.

However, when you screw up and don't do your responsibilities, you are fined, with the fine being "netted" out of your NIL funds. If you contribute something positive from the play (while not performing to your responsibilities), you aren't rewarded as much as if you performed to your responsibilities.

You can break bonus funds out however way you want, but this way, you're rewarding productivity on and off the field (maybe even GPA, class attendance, etc.).

NoahAg said:

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mjhhawk said:

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1876er said:

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Southlake said:

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I thought the same thing. Seems like every time one of our competitors lands an expensive "Free Agent", Ags claim they over paid.

Guess we won't know until after the season?

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The guy with the corolla thinks the guy with the Ferrari "over paid"

The guy with the Ferrari disagrees.

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The guy with the Corolla also purchased a new home and many rental properties with his left over money from not spending on the Ferrari. He is thriving right now with all of his friends in Miami.

The guy with the Ferrari named it Nico and hurt his back permanently when he his house halfway through the first year of payments and had to sleep in the Ferrari because he owned nothing else.

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Plot twist: The guy with the Ferrari is pulling in $250K a month in the Colombian drug trade. He has a villa outside of Bogata, a house in Aspen, and a penthouse on Miami Beach. He has 2 more Ferraris and a fleet of Land Cruisers.

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I think you just described the Los Angeles Dodgers....

NyAggie said:

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The "overpaying" as I understand it is more Elko not wanting to pay wsy more than he has to for a player because it could upset the locker room dynamic/culture Elko has built

You start getting a bunch of high paid mercenaries on the team that are just in it for the money or it makes other guys question why they aren't getting more and things can go sideways

See the 2022 class

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I don't think we'll ever win a championship if we're not willing to pay top dollar for some difference making top players. If we're not willing to pay, we won't get the top players needed to get there, or we won't keep top players we develop. A top quarterback in the NFL makes $50MM a year, a backup running back doesn't make anything near that. The players have to understand relative value and that can't be a reason to "upset the locker room".

And I get so confused... on one hand the zoo claims we are a wealthy program, and we can buy any player we really want. On the other hand, we never do, with the excuses usually being the player is overrated or overpriced, or we don't want to create dissention on the team. So, we get a lot of real good players, but not the best players. And, we don't go buy the best OC, we hire within. And, we still have holes in our roster... Sounds like a recipe to go 11-2 once a decade when we catch a few breaks and everything goes right, but the other nine years we'll average 8-4. I hope I'm wrong, but it just seems the same over and over.

mjhhawk said:

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NoahAg said:

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mjhhawk said:

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1876er said:

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Southlake said:

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I thought the same thing. Seems like every time one of our competitors lands an expensive "Free Agent", Ags claim they over paid.

Guess we won't know until after the season?

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The guy with the corolla thinks the guy with the Ferrari "over paid"

The guy with the Ferrari disagrees.

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The guy with the Corolla also purchased a new home and many rental properties with his left over money from not spending on the Ferrari. He is thriving right now with all of his friends in Miami.

The guy with the Ferrari named it Nico and hurt his back permanently when he his house halfway through the first year of payments and had to sleep in the Ferrari because he owned nothing else.

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Plot twist: The guy with the Ferrari is pulling in $250K a month in the Colombian drug trade. He has a villa outside of Bogata, a house in Aspen, and a penthouse on Miami Beach. He has 2 more Ferraris and a fleet of Land Cruisers.

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I think you just described the Los Angeles Dodgers....

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The Dodgers won the last two World Series and have played in 5 of the last 10 World Series. I'd say their Ferrari looks pretty nice.

The Marlins are the Corolla. At least they haven't over paid for any players though.

So, your program pays 25 million and you win the Natty. What was your Return on investment? How much extra money did your Championship bring in?

Do the rich benefactors really care?

They just want pride and bragging rights. They already got tons of money.

Why not offer every can't- miss Superstar 10 million?

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So, your program pays 25 million and you win the Natty. What was your Return on investment? How much extra money did your Championship bring in?

Do the rich benefactors really care?

They just want pride and bragging rights. They already got tons of money.

Why not offer every can't- miss Superstar 10 million?

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The people that are footing the bill are getting little to no return on investment. That's why this whole thing is a sham.

Value NC = ABS(Income - Cost) x1,000,000,000fufactor

Because of the fufactor, there should be no limit on Cost, because the result of such an outcome gives the fans the ability to say FU, and point to the banner; every single time someone has smack to talk about our Football Program.

With 130ish D-1 football programs, there's a lot of luck involved in just getting to the championship game. Teams like tech will have an easier path, but we all watched them get exposed as the fraud they were. The committee needs to realize this and make their decisions on the criteria they put forth. Teams with weak schedules need to be penalized for it and this "early loss" vs "late loss" bull**** needs to change, a loss is a loss.

Curt Cignetti is easily worth 40 million per year. He will win multiple national championships and will do it with a roster most coaches would go 7-5 with..He will beat you with your own players. Kiffin on the other hand isn't worth 100K per year..unless you value 93 while never having a remote chance to beat a coach like Cignetti..