SH 30 (Harvey Road) Corridor Plan

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WolfCall
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For those who are highy exciteable, before getting riled up, please note that this project construction is currently unfunded.

https://www.txdot.gov/projects/projects-studies/bryan/sh30-widening.html
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TxDot SH 30 (Harvey Road) Corridor Plan

TxDOT Bryan District, in collaboration with Brazos County and City of College Station, is developing a corridor plan to improve the SH 30 (Harvey Road) from Associates Avenue to FM 158 in Brazos County, Texas. Corridor plan objectives include enhancing safety, reducing congestion, and improving pedestrian and bicyclist mobility along the corridor.

The plan is being developed in collaboration with the member agencies of the Bryan College Station Metropolitan Planning Organization (BCS MPO), under the 2022 Brazos County Transportation Road Improvement Program, to meet current and future traffic demand attributed to development growth in the area.

Construction is currently not funded....

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Go to the link below and click on the links: Exhibit Boards; Fact Sheet; and, Alternatives.
It is what Battered Aggieland Forum Syndrome dreams are made of: medians multiple roundabouts, something for everyone.

I did not attend the meeting but a neighbor who has been going to these types of meetings went and brought back the intel. She's pretty upset. Alternative A Roundabouts would be untenable - Five Roundabouts on Harvey Road....

https://www.txdot.gov/projects/hearings-meetings/bryan/2025/120925.html
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Notice

Exhibit boards

Comment form

Fact sheet

Alternative A Roundabouts

Alternative B Two-Way Left Turn Lane

Alternative C Hooded Left Turn Lanes



Goat Man
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I like roundabouts. <ducks>
I enjoy the efficiency of entering and exiting an intersection without stopping. I know I am likely the only poster that will own up to it but really, how hard is it to learn how to navigate these?
fcag
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I have to say, as a resident of the neighborhood behind Koppe Bridge, I would love the roundabout option.
techno-ag
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They just keep changing the roads around here. Gosh!
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TyHolden
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Goat Man said:

I like roundabouts. <ducks>
I enjoy the efficiency of entering and exiting an intersection without stopping. I know I am likely the only poster that will own up to it but really, how hard is it to learn how to navigate these?

Nobody knows how to navigate WJB circles.
I've used it to turn around many times and had to stop for incoming traffic almost every time.
Turned a 2-lane road into 1.
This may work in countries where cars are half the size but with big trucks/rigs, it's complete horse*****

FlyRod
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Goat Man said:

I like roundabouts. <ducks>
I enjoy the efficiency of entering and exiting an intersection without stopping. I know I am likely the only poster that will own up to it but really, how hard is it to learn how to navigate these?


Same. They're stupidly simple to navigate if you are…sentient.
woodiewood1
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Goat Man said:

I like roundabouts. <ducks>
I enjoy the efficiency of entering and exiting an intersection without stopping. I know I am likely the only poster that will own up to it but really, how hard is it to learn how to navigate these?

They are about the best traffic addition that can be made to an intersection as long as there is enough space to make then large enough. A few in Bryan are too small.

Half the drivers stop or basically slow down almost to a stop on them anyway regardless of if there is any other traffic present or not,

They are just not that hard to understand how to navigate,

EBrazosAg
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5 traffic circles in 2 miles is unnecessary- Option A. Option B and C make the most sense of the 3 presented.
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CS78
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Let's see. East west travel in this town has gotten dang near impossible as is. And it's only getting worse. So their answer is to slow everyone down even more and put a priority on pedestrian and bicycle safety in an area where it's not even a concern. That should really help.
oklaunion
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Watch out for the one on Longmire. It is so small that thru traffic barely has to slow. Encroaching fences limit the ability to see approaching cars.
91_Aggie
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Roundabouts are great and improve flow and safety.

And city of Bryan specifically said they designed WJB to be so narrow and twisty to slow speed on that road.

Harvey to 158 is a state hwy.
TyHolden
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Make it illegal to drive on WJB if:

1. You are in an 18-wheeler
2. Pulling a trailer full of lawn mowers, sheep, etc
3. Can't read English

Just realized this was for roundabouts on Harey Road....if that happens, the insurance fraud folks for Krispy Kreme will need a permanent residence in town.
WolfCall
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Goat Man said:

I like roundabouts. <ducks>
I enjoy the efficiency of entering and exiting an intersection without stopping. I know I am likely the only poster that will own up to it but really, how hard is it to learn how to navigate these?

I navigated roundabouts in the UK for thirty days in 2001 while part of the Foot and Mouth Disease eradication program in northwest England and loved them because they kept traffic going.

The way roundabouts are used by TxDot in Brazos County (especially WJB) - they slow traffic down. Multiple roundabouts in a two+ mile strip is untenable. Little old two lane Harvey Rd has become a major East/West Corridor for College Station for Semis, Dump Trucks, and trucks with long trailers. They simply won't be able to use Harvey Rd with some of the proposals as they are now.
PS3D
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91_Aggie said:

Roundabouts are great and improve flow and safety.

Who told you that? Roundabouts have only very limited use in lower-traffic areas. Something like Lincoln (when they finish it) will work, Holleman Drive West also generally works outside of peak hours, but with roundabouts, you have to yield before entering it, and when you have too many cars trying to go in it basically functions like a four-way stop.
EBrazosAg
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To work in a high traffic environment they have to be much larger than these are depicted for 30 - I'm thinking Main/Montrose/Hermann circle in the Museum District of Houston. I agree - they just back things up if busy street and not big enough.
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drred4
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That one proposal has too many roundabouts. I could see possibly one maybe. There is a lot of traffic on this road.

When I first saw it I kept scrolling and had to zoom out and doubletake on it. I travel this road everyday and I just see more wrecks happening with this many roundabouts
BrazosWifi
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Large traffic circles work great. Unfortunately, TxDOT doesn't propose those.

Small traffic circles are a real pain for anyone pulling a trailer and are a way to convert a nice 2 lane road into a 1 lane bottleneck.
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Is the work at 30/Hardy Weedon a part of this project, or is that completely separate?

Still wondering what the deal with that is. Was supposed to start in October.
91_Aggie
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PS3D said:

91_Aggie said:

Roundabouts are great and improve flow and safety.

Who told you that? Roundabouts have only very limited use in lower-traffic areas. Something like Lincoln (when they finish it) will work, Holleman Drive West also generally works outside of peak hours, but with roundabouts, you have to yield before entering it, and when you have too many cars trying to go in it basically functions like a four-way stop.


Well, I know there's a lot of people that no longer believe in science, but science told me they are better.

https://tirf.ca/blog/fact-vs-fiction-roundabouts/
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agnerd
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Harvey is not the correct road for traffic circles. The Veterans park road is the correct road for traffic circles. There are some in Houston in high-traffic areas that don't work well at all. If you have a constant stream of cars from your left (i.e. rush hour), it can be an hour before you can legally enter the circle. As CS expands east, traffic will build and those circles will impede a lot of traffic.

While the medians are annoying, I really like the plan that has the extra room to make a u-turn. If medians are going to be forced onto us, at least make the u-turns easier.
PS3D
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91_Aggie said:

PS3D said:

91_Aggie said:

Roundabouts are great and improve flow and safety.

Who told you that? Roundabouts have only very limited use in lower-traffic areas. Something like Lincoln (when they finish it) will work, Holleman Drive West also generally works outside of peak hours, but with roundabouts, you have to yield before entering it, and when you have too many cars trying to go in it basically functions like a four-way stop.


Well, I know there's a lot of people that no longer believe in science, but science told me they are better.

https://tirf.ca/blog/fact-vs-fiction-roundabouts/

Science =/= Non-governmental organization.

And you wonder why people have trust issues.
etmydst
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BrazosWifi said:

Large traffic circles work great. Unfortunately, TxDOT doesn't propose those.

Small traffic circles are a real pain for anyone pulling a trailer and are a way to convert a nice 2 lane road into a 1 lane bottleneck.


Wrong. Don't make statements of fact when you don't know what you are talking about.

Facts based on research and design principles are available if you want to educate yourself. Roundabouts include truck aprons for trailer overtracking and two lane roundabouts can handle large volumes of traffic efficiently and safely.
91_Aggie
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PS3D said:

91_Aggie said:

PS3D said:

91_Aggie said:

Roundabouts are great and improve flow and safety.

Who told you that? Roundabouts have only very limited use in lower-traffic areas. Something like Lincoln (when they finish it) will work, Holleman Drive West also generally works outside of peak hours, but with roundabouts, you have to yield before entering it, and when you have too many cars trying to go in it basically functions like a four-way stop.


Well, I know there's a lot of people that no longer believe in science, but science told me they are better.

https://tirf.ca/blog/fact-vs-fiction-roundabouts/

Science =/= Non-governmental organization.

And you wonder why people have trust issues.


I dont think you understand how science works.
Research studies are science.

Tell me what science you would believe.
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