A reason to pull the trigger

samurai_science said:

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unmade bed said:

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Was Renee Good in a restricted area breaking through glass windows with 100s of protestors behind her approaching US congressmen? I don't remember that.

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Ashli was breaking through windows when she was shot? Man, this forum keeps giving us new information everyday.



So apparently Ashli had a deadly weapon, and was breaking through windows when she was shot. Any new fairytales people want to add?

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I did not say she had a deadly weapon. She was breaking through window though.

Here video of the incident in case you forgot. Fellow protestors use deadly weapons to smash windows while being ordered to stop by a cop with a gun pointed at them. Ashli climbs through one of the smashed windows and gets herself shot.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572

I hate they died but I'm ok with both.
Not popular but with a mob behind you and you are the first person breaking through locked door Don't be surprised when you get shot. They should have shot the first person to break into the capital but they wanted people to break in.

She happened to be the poor sucker that went through first while a cop with a gun pointed at them told her to stop. Watch the video again and tell me if you wouldn't have felt threatened.

I don't think what either one of them did was very smart, just that in Babbit's case it was more defensible.

oldcrow91 said:

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I hate they died but I'm ok with both.
Not popular but with a mob behind you and you are the first person breaking through locked door Don't be surprised when you get shot. They should have shot the first person to break into the capital but they wanted people to break in.

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Opposite for me. I don't really like either shooting. Wish LEO in both circumstances exercised more restraint but I understand why both were shot and can see how both were justified.

Both were deluded people.

samurai_science said:

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unmade bed said:

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Was Renee Good in a restricted area breaking through glass windows with 100s of protestors behind her approaching US congressmen? I don't remember that.

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Ashli was breaking through windows when she was shot? Man, this forum keeps giving us new information everyday.



So apparently Ashli had a deadly weapon, and was breaking through windows when she was shot. Any new fairytales people want to add?

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And "approaching US congressmen " which is well established case law for use of deadly force!

ABATTBQ87 said:

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A reason to pull the trigger

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Earlier, the lead detective played video of his interview with Harris at police headquarters. At first, the now 17 year old denied ever being in the Jeep.

Harris was then seen trying to hide the key to the Jeep in the interview room, eventually admitting that he did get into the Jeep with 3 other teens claiming that he didn't know what they were up to.

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8d chess.

Shootings are similar in the deceased made a series of incredibly poor decisions with the belief that the law did not apply to them.

Commie was shot for self defense as she rammed her car into a federal officer. MAGA was shot for crossing a line she was repeatedly told to not cross. Both were preventable by different actions of the deceased.

Only one of them was a "good shoot" but both of them were massively stupid actions by the deceased.

Absent some other piece of critical information that has yet to be shared, the murder of Ashli Babbitt was not a proper use of lethal force.

I think the officer was likely goaded on or essentially ordered by whomever he was protecting at that moment to go out and "shoot those MAGA freaks trying to kill us".

Since nothing about the shooting and surrounding circumstances was ever investigated, we will not know what orders were given to the officer. But Ashli Babbitt and the other Jan 6 Capitol visitors were respective of LEOs, aside from a few well documented incidents.

Meanwhile, Renee No Good had set out to specifically harass these officers. Let me make that point again. She was NOT a protestor. She was sent / paid / encouraged to harass and obstruct law enforcement. That is NOT a protest.

EFR said:

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Do you really think that trying to force your way through/into a barricaded area is being "respectful to law enforcement"? I don't think she deserved to die, but let's at least be honest and admit that Babbit made some amazingly bad decisions that day.

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If forcing a way through a barricade is all it takes to use lethal force, then I expect a lot more dead ANTIFA, BLM and Anti-ICE protestors. Deal?

flown-the-coop said:

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EFR said:

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Do you really think that trying to force your way through/into a barricaded area is being "respectful to law enforcement"? I don't think she deserved to die, but let's at least be honest and admit that Babbit made some amazingly bad decisions that day.

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If forcing a way through a barricade is all it takes to use lethal force, then I expect a lot more dead ANTIFA, BLM and Anti-ICE protestors. Deal?

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Not all barricades are created equal. There are plenty of "imaginary lines" you can get shot for crossing at Federal facilities.

I'm not defending the situation and I'm fairly confident that he was ordered to and wanted to shoot for ideological reasons on Jan 6th. It wasn't necessary, but Babbit was a raging idiot for what she did.

She was killed, not murdered. Stop acting like a lib.

No doubt Babbitt made terrible decisions but she was also caught up in a moment that was aided and abetted by bad actors all around. Anyone who stepped past a barricade and into the Capitol that day mad an absolutely terrible decision.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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She was killed, not murdered. Stop acting like a lib.

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If the shoot was not justified, and it was not, then it's murder. That has nothing to do with being a lib.

If you think the shoot was clean, then you can say she was killed.

unmade bed said:

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Was Renee Good in a restricted area breaking through glass windows with 100s of protestors behind her approaching US congressmen? I don't remember that.

To the extent the 2 are being compared, it's probably because both believed so strongly in a false narrative for which they were so certain that they were in the right they were willing to disobey commands from law enforcement and they both got themselves killed doing so.

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Good was not killed for disobeying commands. This is the 10000th time a lib has said that. And you are supposed to be a lawyer. SMH.

flown-the-coop said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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She was killed, not murdered. Stop acting like a lib.

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If the shoot was not justified, and it was not, then it's murder. That has nothing to do with being a lib.

If you think the shoot was clean, then you can say she was killed.

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It was justified. Just because she was on your side doesn't make her decision making any better. She acted stupidly and acted in a threatening manner. Unfortunately she thought she was being a patriot but she was just a sheep.

HumbleAg04 said:

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Shootings are similar in the deceased made a series of incredibly poor decisions with the belief that the law did not apply to them.

Commie was shot for self defense as she rammed her car into a federal officer. MAGA was shot for crossing a line she was repeatedly told to not cross. Both were preventable by different actions of the deceased.

Only one of them was a "good shoot" but both of them were massively stupid actions by the deceased.

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It doesn't even really have anything to do with the law. Laws are just words written on paper. Both of these people had no clue what bad things can happen when emotionally charged crowds assemble and how a couple of bad decisions can escalate out of control. The law is little consolation for the dead. She could have just as really killed a cop with her vehicle, and there would still be an unfortunate death. No, she didn't kill anyone, but she still escalated her actions to a point that someone felt threatened. And then it continued to escalate from there.

This woman was a useful idiot for someone, and now she is a dead idiot because she had it in her head something invisible was going to protect her from her own decisions and the decisions of others.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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She was killed, not murdered. Stop acting like a lib.

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If the shoot was not justified, and it was not, then it's murder. That has nothing to do with being a lib.

If you think the shoot was clean, then you can say she was killed.

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It was justified. Just because she was on your side doesn't make her decision making any better. She acted stupidly and acted in a threatening manner. Unfortunately she thought she was being a patriot but she was just a sheep.

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Based on my analysis of the facts currently available, the Babbitt shoot was NOT justified. That has nothing to do with sides or whether I think she acted stupidly, carelessly, or the fact that she was indeed breaking the law and acting in a manner that could potentially lead to danger for the persons being protected by the officer. But he was NOT in imminent danger when he fired, she was unarmed, and there were several other officers in her immediate vicinity that could have been called in to subdue her.

What threatening manner was Babbitt presenting as she attempts to crowd surf through a partially broken window?

Meanwhile, Renee Good spent days and on this day the entire morning repeatedly harassing officers, threatening them and obstructing their official duties. She, unlike Babbitt, was provided with multiple warnings to stop her behavior. Then she was given multiple orders by LEOs. If Babbitt got one it was only one and then a bullet. And Good was armed with a deadly weapon that was loaded with the trigger being pulled. Babbitt, unarmed.

But totally comparable. Get real.

The threatening manner was climbing through a broken window next to people trying to yank open a barred door. He didn't know her intentions other than entering into an area she was not allowed to be or threw a broken window. Seems pretty simple, especially with what was going on around the building.

She behaved in a stupid manner. She won her prize. Just like Goode.

Again, I won't shed a tear for either one of those idiots.

Burdizzo said:

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This woman was a useful idiot for someone, and now she is a dead idiot because she had it in her head something invisible was going to protect her from her own decisions and the decisions of others.

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What makes you think she's no longer useful? I think she's more useful to them now.