No more gravy train for immigrants abusing the system

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The X post and thread title speak for themselves, but apparently I have to lay it out. Here is a post announcing that Secretary Bessent is going to block foreign wire transfers from those receiving public benefits. How do y'all think the immigrant communities will react? Should we pop some popcorn?
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We will all stay hydrated well from liberal tears
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From the federal government there should be NO public assistance, period.
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So logical it's ridiculous that anyone could have a problem with it.
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Lock up the gray hairs....Scams to help Somali's wire money out of the country will be 100,000 per day in the next week or two.

I'll give you $500 to wire $2,000 out of the country for me do to this new law. All I need is your banking information to make it happen.
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No sane person would be opposed to this so naturally every Democrat will hate it.
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Florida says hold my beer! Anything you can do we can do better!

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NE PA Ag said:

So logical it's ridiculous that anyone could have a problem with it.

Trump's administration has been extremely effective at making the dems take the 20% end of 80/20 issues because their TDS won't let them not oppose something he does.
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So reactive….you would have the thought the smart peeps in dc would have already done this or is it just a big money laundering scheme.
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Back in the 60s my grandfather had to have a letter from the company who was going to employ him AND his "sponsor" to show that he was going to be able to support himself and his family and not become a burden to the public.

Now we practically lure "undocumented aliens" with promises of free isht.

Public assistance should be way more restricted. And, no, if you're on public assistance, there's no way that you should have enough money to wire some back home. But they'll all just use a third-party to wire money home..
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Seems easy to evade this. But reasonable
Twisted Helix
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And tax all out of country remittances.
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From a pragmatic standpoint how would this be enforced? How would anyone at Western Union or whatever know whether someone is on welfare?
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Shouldn't be able to make political contributions either
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AtticusMatlock said:

From a pragmatic standpoint how would this be enforced? How would anyone at Western Union or whatever know whether someone is on welfare?

Good question that I was wondering as well.

Show legal ID to wire money
Have a database to look up based on that ID

I have a hard time believing that Omar's 2% Check Cashing Business, is going to follow any law preventing money orders out of country.

I am guessing most of the illegals have a legal family member or friend that will wire it for them.

I am for a 30% tax on all foreign wires from individuals in the US to individuals in Mexico, South America, and Africa.
Carve out an exemption for wires for buying a vacation home or maybe wires over $100K are exempt, something like that so Americans can still transfer money if needed.
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Some thoughts on how the government could flag these transactions.

In Texas if you hire someone that has a work visa they have a social security card that states for work purposes only stamped on it and they can't get drivers licenses so they might not have the correct id to transfer money as they only have a workers permit.

Another type of Id that the Biden era passed onto those classified as illegals instead of social security number would be itin numbers or identification numbers. These are registered through the federal government and are used by illegals or non residents to open up bank accounts etc. so if money is transferred from one of those banks accounts it could be flagged.

Also western union and like companies have a lot of information on to and from as part of the transaction that can be flagged. They have patterns that can be easily traced like any data base. so if someone else try's to send to a person they don't usually send to it will get flagged in the internal western union system. Bigger transactions willl come from bank accounts that are traceable and too cumbersome to transact as multiple cash transactions.

Lots of people here in the United States believe it or not only have foreign passports or drivers licenses as identification. These could be easily flagged. Some of these people unfortunately have drivers licenses or temporary id's which might get through the system but I would imagine that some states would start cracking down.

If they are really going to do this a plan will come out soon and most likely it will bar cash transactions and only go through bank accounts which will flag a lot of people.

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combat wombat said:

Back in the 60s my grandfather had to have a letter from the company who was going to employ him AND his "sponsor" to show that he was going to be able to support himself and his family and not become a burden to the public.

Now we practically lure "undocumented aliens" with promises of free isht.

Public assistance should be way more restricted. And, no, if you're on public assistance, there's no way that you should have enough money to wire some back home. But they'll all just use a third-party to wire money home..

This is still absolutely normal and expected in most of the developed world. I have a coworker who's trying to move to Portugal and they require a mountain of evidence of income along with guarantees and sponsorship from our employer that he is indeed employed and will remain so. His parents moved there over a year ago, having to prove substantial money on hand to be allowed to do so. He's been trying to get everything in line for 3 years now. If there is any possibility that you might need any government services or assistance at all, they won't let you in.
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Immigrants shouldn't be on a single welfare program - PERIOD.
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captkirk said:

Shouldn't be able to make political contributions either


Or vote.
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JFABNRGR said:

So reactive….you would have the thought the smart peeps in dc would have already done this or is it just a big money laundering scheme.

Sometimes you have to read the room.

The Somali thing is shining a very bright light on all of this corruption, and public sentiment against illegal immigrants are now pretty low thanks to that.

All of the sudden, this law isn't about your elderly mom's gardener sending money to their kids in Mexico, this is about the Somali "princes" that scam your grandma out of their savings through pfishing schemes.

The Dems never let a crises go to waste. Why should the GOP?
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Are people saying that legal cowboy/tractor driver who is here for 9 months and goes home for 3 every year - by the book - shouldn't be able to send money back to their family?
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AtticusMatlock said:

From a pragmatic standpoint how would this be enforced? How would anyone at Western Union or whatever know whether someone is on welfare?

Western Union is a bank, and therefore subject to a whole set of Know Your Customer laws that were set up to identify banking transactions from terrorists.

You can bet that Western Union will do the absolute minimum, but the company does have to follow the rules, because non-compliance can create stiff penalties.

If Western Union fights the Feds on this, the banking regulators could basically remove Western Unions ability to send any international wires at all, making them go bankrupt almost instantly.

Here is what Western Union says about the subject:

https://www.westernunion.com/blog/en/us/international-wire-regulations/#Q1

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International wire transfers involve the electronic transfer of funds between two people in different countries. This is done through a network administered by banks and agencies around the world.
To make an overseas wire transfer, you need to be aware that there are a number of security checks, documents, and potential limits on how much you can send to factor into sending funds abroad.
Banks and providers of money transfer services are required by law to comply with strict rules designed to stop criminal activity, such as:
  • Fraud
  • Money laundering
  • Funding illegal activities.
For high-value money transfers, you may be required to show:
  • Proof of funding source
  • Documentation, e.g. receipts
  • A reason for the money transfer.
You may need some of the following too:
  • A government-issued ID e.g. your driver's license or passport
  • Proof of address e.g. a recent bank statement or utility bill
  • A valid Social Security Number (SSN).
The exact information you need to provide varies depending on the amount of money you want to send and which country the funds will go to.

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Sure, and in a sane world we'd immediately be passing the SAVE act this afternoon.

But we all know that won't happen. But at least Ilhan's "East African Addiction Center" run out of a dingy restaurant earmark got caught and won't happpen.
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Republicans successfully stripped a $1 million earmark from a federal spending package after it was exposed as directing funds to Generation Hope MN, a Somali-led addiction recovery organization operating above a Minneapolis Somali restaurant, Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA) has revealed.

Ernst's office had raised the alarm on what she has described as "an East African addiction center full of red flags for fraud" earlier this week, noting that the center shares an addresson IRS filings with the restaurant Sagal Restaurant and Coffee.

The earmark had been slipped in by Democrat Rep. Ilhan Omar (MN-5).

"What I uncovered the other day, in one of our spending bills making its way through Congress, was a $1 million earmark from Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota," the Senator revealed in an interview with Fox Business.

"This earmark was supposedly going to a substance abuse clinic, which actually happened to be housed in a restaurant and run by three individuals who share the same residential address, according to their IRS paperwork. Tons of red flags."

Never, ever vote for a Democrat.
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B-1 83 said:

Are people saying that legal cowboy/tractor driver who is here for 9 months and goes home for 3 every year - by the book - shouldn't be able to send money back to their family?

If he is here working, paying taxes, and making enough to send home, no problem. But if he is collecting welfare and SNAP benefits for his 2nd family here in the US, while working off the books and effectively paying no taxes, then no, he shouldn't be able to send money given to him by the US tax payers back to Mexico.
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FIFY

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Now we actually lure "undocumented aliens" with promises of free isht.


BusterAg
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B-1 83 said:

Are people saying that legal cowboy/tractor driver who is here for 9 months and goes home for 3 every year - by the book - shouldn't be able to send money back to their family?

If they are flying back and forth to Somalia every year to drive a tractor, they better have pretty good documentation, because that seems oddly suspicious.
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BusterAg said:

B-1 83 said:

Are people saying that legal cowboy/tractor driver who is here for 9 months and goes home for 3 every year - by the book - shouldn't be able to send money back to their family?

If they are flying back and forth to Somalia every year to drive a tractor, they better have pretty good documentation, because that seems oddly suspicious.

My bad. I paid more attention to responses than to the "on public assistance" part. None of the ag people I was talking about fit that.

Carry on.
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FarmerJohn
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Illegal aliens are not using Western Union. They are buying Bitcoin and sending that.
backintexas2013
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Not all of them. Go to a Moneygram location.
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B-1 83 said:

Are people saying that legal cowboy/tractor driver who is here for 9 months and goes home for 3 every year - by the book - shouldn't be able to send money back to their family?


Yes, if that legal cowboy/tractor driver is on government assistance. Hope this helps.
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FarmerJohn said:

Illegal aliens are not using Western Union. They are buying Bitcoin and sending that.

This would also cover international transfers between banks from accounts owned by people on public assistance.
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Not sure state statute can, or should be able to, override tort law in a situation like a car accident.

I could see capping the amount of damages an illegal can recover. Maybe limit it to property damage and medical expenses only or something like that.

Making citizenship status the primary factor of a liability determination isn't logical.
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The logic is there would not be an accident if the illegal was not here to begin with. Seems perfectly logical.
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FarmerJohn said:

Illegal aliens are not using Western Union. They are buying Bitcoin and sending that.

If this were true it would be one of the most shocking things I've read on the internet. Who did the study on that?
backintexas2013
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It's bs. Some do but many still use western union and moneygram.
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